F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

Nicholas Newman2 said:You’ve packaged all that up nicely, but you forgot one thing: the stewards actually have access to way more data regarding these messy incidents than just some live timing feed😉.

And this whole "100% proof" thing is honestly just an unnecessary performance on your part. If you’re going to bluff like this, you might as well claim there's no proof God exists either, since nobody has actually seen Him, right?

Whoops, hold on—now we're heading into uncharted territory, and suddenly the theory of evolution is underwater too. It's the same old story: when you hunt for actual empirical evidence, nobody has any, because you can't exactly run a lab test on something that takes a million years to happen.

So, either start some New Age movement or just admit you're making up wild conspiracies out of thin air.

Later

In my book, racing should operate on the principles of a civilized society, not some playground shouting match...
Basically, the premise of judging should be that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. ☕

Consequently, you can't penalize someone for doing something "intentionally" if there's zero proof of intent...
To me, "I think," "I doubt," or "I assume" aren't pieces of evidence...
So, this whole narrative about intentional rule-breaking in these situations just doesn't hold water.

Because it’s nearly impossible to absolutely prove intent when a driver flies off into the grass, cuts back onto the track, clips a curb, and ends up airborne... it's just chaos.
Maybe you could make a case if there was a paved runoff area and the driver cut back onto the track specifically to shove someone else out of the way...
But even then, proving intent is a stretch, though at least in that scenario, the driver can't easily hide behind the excuse of losing control...

Now, because I personally can't stand Max, I'll loudly blather on about how he's to blame for everything, but if it were Vettel, I'd act totally different...
We're fans, and it doesn't matter if we spout nonsense like that, but the officials themselves shouldn't be acting like fans...
Especially not someone like Warwick, who openly picks sides before a race even starts and rants about how much he dislikes certain drivers. 🤦

I have no clue what your God and religion comparison is supposed to mean here. 🤦
Are you suggesting a steward should blindly believe Lewis Hamilton is always innocent while Sebastian Vettel is always guilty, or some kid is?
What does faith have to do with officiating based on rules and evidence? 🤷

When it comes to Warwick, I honestly get the feeling he judges exactly that way... Truth and God.
Then again, he wasn't the one officiating that controversial race, because if he had been, we wouldn't even be talking about it...
If he were the steward, I bet Vettel would have copped at least a 25-second penalty or even a black flag...
Warwick definitely wouldn't have settled for just five seconds. 😁

stormybadger8 said:Whether it’s a massive 62 or a "tiny" 55, it’s all the same kid😉
The point isn't even about the numbers; the issue is that the officials completely botched the race finish with that decision...

Anyway, here is what JV is saying
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...nada/4467183/?

I haven't a clue what he's getting at regarding Ricky. I didn't follow it closely; that damn F1 Pro app kept crashing on me constantly.😠

Toby, math is a nightmare! If you take 7 points away from Lewis Hamilton and give 7 points to Sebastian Vettel, what do you get?

Hamilton would have had 155 points if not for the penalty, while Vettel would have 107.

The lead wouldn't be 62; it would be 48.

@Toby

Phone number !?

stormybadger8 said:I mean, honestly—it’s pretty sketchy how much of that was actually him losing control of the car versus just intentionally blocking Lewis Hamilton...
If he wasn't in control, then what exactly was that?
Are we talking about a penalty for going off track, a penalty because Hamilton squeezed right up against him (instead of just passing on the left), or what specifically?

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wiredfalcon2 said:the legendary Gary Anderson

Gary Anderson is a legend, mostly because of his track record for missed predictions and technical analyses that miss the mark entirely.

So, did they finally give Feta his win back?

ruggedhawk20 said:Did they give Feta his win back?

They're working on it;
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...llenge-penalty

Jason Campbell70 said:Gary Anderson is a legend, mostly because of how many times he’s totally missed the mark with his predictions and technical breakdowns that just don't make any sense.

Luckily for Gary, this article doesn't actually include any predictions or technical analysis.

wiredfalcon2 said:Luckily for Gary, there isn't a single forecast or technical breakdown in the entire piece.

Though, shouldn't technical analysis be his specialty?
That's Gary Anderson for you.

So, I’ve been sitting here, debating whether I should actually put pen to paper or just keep quiet...
I find myself lurking here day in and day out, reading through everything, and honestly, there’s some great stuff to digest. There are those of you who write beautifully—really constructive, concise, and thoughtful. Then, of course, there are the trolls and the headaches, but hey, that’s just how it goes. A little humor never hurt anyone, right?

But let’s be real, I’m starting to wonder if some of you are actually being genuine. Or is this all just a performance for the masses?

Take, for instance, purely blueberry. Man, you really think you have an answer for everything, don't you? You always have to have the last word. Just let people have their debate. I see you over there acting like the smartest guy in the room, knowing it all, but listen—sometimes it’s actually better to let someone else be right for once. Take a breather, it’s not that serious.

And then there are others who are worse than that one guy on Reddit who writes posts ten miles long, as if he were trained by Leo Tolstoy himself. He’s probably just waiting to drop a new 5,000-page version of War and Peace titled “Sebastian Vettel and I.” Poor guy, he gets so lost in his own rambling that he ends up contradicting himself before he even finishes the post.

Cheers to that!

Jason Campbell70 said:Assuming his technical breakdowns are actually his strong suit.
So much for Gary Anderson.

Look, everything I pulled from that linked article still holds up. Even if you're somehow a bigger technical genius than Gary.

Honestly, absolutely nothing has changed since the days when Sebastian—as he puts it—first fell head over heels for this sport.

But—and this is a big "but"—one thing has definitely shifted over this past year: his mental fragility, which was once again on full display. Ever since Hockenheim back in July of last season, Sebastian has been cracking under the pressure, making these bizarre driving errors that just don't make sense... and Sunday in Canada was more of the same. Once again, Lewis Hamilton forced him right off the track, basically proving who the superior champion is between the two of them.

Maybe Lewis wasn't supposed to take the win in the end, but that incident certainly masked the painful truth about Vettel: he simply isn't capable of putting together a flawless Formula 1 race anymore. And against a driver like Hamilton on a day like today—not to mention that superior Mercedes-Benz car—he doesn't stand a prayer of fighting for titles...

Spot on.

Formula 1 is dead. 🤣

@gentlemoose57/">@@gentlemoose57 who on earth is this Ivan Jankovic guy? Is he some local nobody from a small town in Ohio?

I honestly don't see what having a blown engine or his mistakes under pressure has anything to do with someone stealing his win—there's zero connection there. And frankly, I can't find a single link to support this, nor do I understand why you're quoting some hack who wouldn't know real football if it hit him in the face.

This whole article is honestly just terrible. Poor Jankovic—assuming that’s even his real name. Once he finishes rehashing the entire history of Formula 1, I suppose the real fighting will start over Sebastian Vettel.
But hey, that’s just how things go these days, right? It's become such a trend. When people run out of anything intelligent to say, they just jump on the bandwagon and start attacking Vettel.

I’d love to see which of you would actually stick it out in an online Gran Turismo race if there was some guy tailgating you, breathing down your neck every single second of a 70-lap marathon.

Honestly, I think 95% of you would lose your mind and quit before you even hit lap five. It’s a guarantee. 😉

Imagine having someone breathing down your neck, right behind you, for every single one of those 70 laps.

You have to be incredibly mentally tough to stay focused and not mess up, and honestly, Sebastian Vettel just didn't seem to have that level of mental grit. We'll let him off the hook this time, though. xD
😉In all honesty, I think 95% of you would have cracked in less than five laps.

mellowtiger83 said:Toby, math sucks! If you take 7 points away from Lewis Hamilton and give 7 to Sebastian Vettel, what do you get?

Hamilton would have 155 points if it weren't for the penalty, and Vettel would have 107.

The lead wouldn't be 62, it’d be 48.

True, my math was off. 🤦
But honestly, it doesn't change a damn thing...

Still the same kid. That 48-point gap is still massive, especially since Ferrari might realistically get beat once every five races at most.

Even if they gave Sebastian his win back at the US Grand Prix and he somehow pulled off five wins in a row, he'd still be trailing Lewis by 13 points...
Because Leclerc clearly isn't capable of finishing ahead of Hamilton, so the gap stays at 7 points per race...

ruggedhawk20 said:Did they give Fetla his win back?

No, and they absolutely won't.☕
I'm pretty sure it's actually impossible given the rulebook...
Ferrari is just venting to the press to make noise... basically, Mattia Binotto is just playing pretend like he's actually doing something...

And they aren't even going to file an official appeal, because let's be real—there's zero chance the penalty gets reduced. It can only get worse...
The rules are what they are. They don't get to play around with them...

mellowtiger83 said:@Toby

Phone number !?

Not happening...
I'm slammed right now. I told you I'd call when I could...
Right now, I don't even remember my own name, let alone anything else.

cosmiccyclist8 said:@gentlemoose57/">@@gentlemoose57 who even is this Ivan Jankovic guy? Is he some local thug from the neighborhood?

What the hell does Fetla blowing it and making mistakes under pressure have to do with someone stealing his win? I can't find a single damn connection, and I have no clue why you're posting text from that hack who wouldn't know football if it hit him in the face.

It’s all about his hating. 😁
That guy is the ultimate Vettel hater, worse than anyone else on this entire forum. 🤣

If you added up everyone's hate for every driver on this board, you still wouldn't get anywhere near this guy's level.🤣

Brandon Anderson37 said:I’ve been sitting here wondering if I should even bother posting this...
I read through these threads day in and day out, and there’s actually some great stuff to read here. Some of you write really well—constructive, concise, and straight to the point. Of course, there’s plenty of trolling too, but that’s just how it goes. A little humor never hurts.

But honestly, I’m not even sure if everyone here is being real. Or is it all just an act for the crowd?

Take crimsonhawk23, for example. Man, you always have to have the last word, don't you? You think everything revolves around your opinion. Just let people have their own discussions. It’s obvious you think you’re the smartest guy in the room who knows everything, but sometimes it’s better to let others be right. Chill out a bit; it’s not that serious.

Then there are those who write posts ten miles long, as if Leo Tolstoy were their editor. It feels like they're just waiting to drop a new 5,000-page version of War and Peace titled “Sebastian and Me.” The poor guy gets so lost in his own rambling that he ends up contradicting himself in the exact same post.

Cheers!

Where on earth are you located? I'd love to buy you a drink.🙂