F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

Richard Walker38 said:For those living in the past, Ayrton Senna and Diego Maradona will always be the ultimate icons, even if they weren't perfect. Senna basically became a legend after he passed away; if he were still driving today, I don't think anyone would be putting him at the absolute top or calling him the greatest driver to ever live.

Man, you clearly never actually watched Senna work his magic on the track, which is why you're talking nonsense like this.
Back then, racing was about pure, raw competition. Nowadays? It’s just one big marketing stunt—the total downfall of motorsports!

It's a disgrace.
To snatch victory right out of someone's hands and just hand it over... 👎

It’s like a classic "Robin Hood" scheme in reverse—taking from the little guy and handing it straight to the elite.

mellowtiger83 said:Punishing Vettel has nothing to do with anything! Honestly, the stewards are total idiots.

Ferrari and Vettel need to push back hard on this.

What a joke.

What kind of appeal are you even talking about? 🤦

First off, there’s zero possibility of appealing a steward's decision during the race. None at all...
If they had penalized him after the race, an appeal might be on the table, but that's not even the case here because the option just doesn't exist...

On top of that, an appeal wouldn't make any sense anyway. It's ridiculous to expect it, and the FIA isn't going to rule against itself even if they were dead wrong—let alone in a situation as gray as this one...

The only thing Ferrari can actually do is use their veto to block Warwick and Pirar from showing up to races. 😬
That would instantly boost their chance of winning. 😁

Sebastian Vettel says: what else could I have done?

Listen, genius, you could've tried not making a total mess of it!

Casey Hill57 said:You clearly never watched Senna work his magic on the track, which is why you're talking nonsense like this.
Back then, racing was actual RACING in every sense of the word. Now? It’s just a marketing stunt and the absolute downfall of motorsport!

Of course I've watched them. I've seen the tapes, and honestly, it was a total mess. I'm thirty years old, by the way, so I didn't catch it all live. For me, Senna and Schumacher were never going to be the top guys—they were great drivers, sure, but zero class when it came to sportsmanship.

To me, Mika will always be the number one driver. He was an honorable man and a true sportsman who dominated the dirtiest driver in Formula 1 history with ease.

Richard Walker38 said:For the nostalgic types, Senna and Maradona will always be the gold standard, even if they aren't. Senna became a legend after he passed; if he were still around today, nobody would be placing him at the absolute summit or calling him the greatest driver ever.

I can't really claim to be a nostalgic fan since I wasn't even three years old when Senna died. Thank God for YouTube, though. 🙂
To me, the measure of greatness isn't necessarily about points, titles, trophies, or whatever else you want to count. The best is the one who shows up when it matters most, when things are toughest—the guy who pulls off moves that simply no one else can. You either have that spark or you don't. Senna drove for McLaren, right? And I'm a Ferrari fan, aren't I? By some people's logic here, I should be hating on Senna just because he drove for their rivals. 😵

The point is—I really hope these special snowflakes get out of this sport. Otherwise, nobody is going to watch this anymore except Tot and his inner circle.

fadedpanther51 said:Who are they even going to remember as the GOAT—those two, or Lewis Hamilton, even if he ends up breaking all of Schumacher's records?

Sebastian Vettel doesn't really matter to me personally—I'm talking about the principle of how penalties are handed out—but I’d definitely take Max Verstappen's side or anyone else's over this. Honestly, though, everyone seems obsessed with treating drivers like special little snowflakes lately, and then the fans follow suit. It feels like total brainwashing, man.

It's Senna and Hamilton either way... Schumacher is only the greatest to those "hardcore" Ferrari fans who think today's call wasn't a penalty...

Even those who usually disagree with penalties are pushing back, yet Gary Palmer8 and a few other clowns seem perfectly fine with it.

Go ahead, be proud of this!!

It’s an absolute embarrassment for Formula 1. This guy, Gary Palmer8, is actually trying to compare this to the incident between Max Verstappen and Kimi Räikkönen. It's ridiculous.

I’m starting to suspect he might be blind.

Even Lewis Hamilton's fans across the country are voicing their disapproval.

This comparison is completely baseless.

darkmarlin16 said:says Seb: what else could I have done?

Look, genius—you could have just not made the mistake in the first place!

So, it's his fault he flew off the track? darkmarlin16, seriously, go take a hike and leave me alone already, just like the good old days, please.👍

darkmarlin16 said:says Seb: what else could I have done?

Maybe just stop flooring it after you spin off the track because of your own mistake?

Richard Walker38 said:For those living in the past, Senna and Maradona will always be the ultimate icons, even if they shouldn't be. Senna became a legend only after he passed away; if he were still driving today, I don't think anyone would be placing him at the absolute pinnacle or calling him the greatest driver to ever live.

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That's a total miss. It's pretty clear you never actually watched Ayrton Senna drive.

darkmarlin16 said:Seb says: what else could I have done?

Well, genius, you could have tried not making the mistake in the first place.

What does his error have to do with the penalty being issued?

The race car was halfway out of control when Lewis Hamilton arrived. There is simply no basis for a penalty here.

cosmiccyclist8 said:So, what, it's his fault he flew off the track? darkmarlin16, man, just give it a rest already, seriously, just go take a hike or something like people used to do back in the day, please 👍

If he hadn't spun out because of HIS OWN mistake, he would've won.

Easy now, kids, let's settle down!
Cut out the bickering and watch your language!
😁

mellowtiger83 said:What does his mistake have to do with whether or not he gets penalized?

The race car was halfway out of control right when Lewis Hamilton arrived, so there's really no grounds for a penalty here.

Once again, you're overlooking the actual facts.
1. The way he rejoined the track was incredibly sloppy, even if he managed to avoid a collision.
2. They could have easily ended up in a massive wreck.

The only real question left is whether this warrants a 5-second penalty or not. But let's be honest, that rejoin was messy as hell. Honestly, people playing Grand Tour are about 200 times cleaner than that move. xD

Prohibited. The user said:If I were in Kimi's shoes—I guess—I might just slow down until Max gets back on track to keep things civil, or maybe try to make the pass. It's a tough call, really.

I mean, there wasn't much room for Max to work with there—you can't exactly blame him—and I guess trying to find an opening was always going to be a bit of a long shot. He’s piloting an F1 car, not a Boeing 747, after all; he needs some actual space to maneuver.

Locksley2020 crimsonhawk23 said:It isn't even really the way he shoves anyone trying to overtake him off the track—I mean, plenty of legends have played that game before—but rather the way he plays dumb after the fact. He acts so incredibly innocent in those moments that it makes you just want to give him a slap.

I suppose Andy’s into jazz—maybe just a passing interest, I guess. crimsonhawk23 says:
I guess whether you want to admit it or not, he forced Kimi Räikkönen off the track—and even managed to clip his car in the process. It’s a penalty, really—especially since he didn't cut the corner earlier—and the FIA tends to be pretty strict about track limits.

If we follow that logic, I guess most of the contact incidents this season could be blamed on being too spread out—drivers would just claim they were essentially "leaning" on their opponents.

I suppose Andy might have some thoughts on jazz—perhaps? The user says:
As Sebastian Vettel pointed out during the China Grand Prix—it seems worth picking up a five-second penalty if you manage to take out a rival's car in the process.

Max committed two separate infractions at the same corner today—and managed to tangle with Kimi in the process—which I guess explains why his pace seemed completely lost for the rest of the race.

Kimi was handed a ten-second penalty at the United Kingdom Grand Prix for that collision during the opening lap chaos—though his consistency today seems rather questionable, especially since Max's penalty didn't seem to impact him in the slightest.

mellowtiger83 said:I just rewatched the Max vs Kimi duel and the Max vs Vettel duel about a hundred times—it isn't exactly hard to conclude that Max is a bit of a loose cannon.
Regarding the situation with Kimi, a five-second penalty seems almost trivial—given it was such a reckless move. If you look at Max's onboard camera, the intent—and I really mean intent here—to swing back into Kimi's line to block him from overtaking seems pretty clear.

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I don't really care who the stewards are or what their process is—it's just baffling that someone can get away with stuff like this, only to receive a measly five-second penalty for what was clearly intentional.

😬

darkmarlin16 said:if he hadn't completely blown it due to HIS OWN mistake, he would have won

man, you’re actually a bigger clown than I originally gave you credit for

When you actually stop to think about it, this isn't even his first time throwing away a race at the Canadian Grand Prix just because he couldn't keep his act together

fadedwalker18 said:You missed the point. You clearly never watched Ayrton Senna drive.

So what, if I didn't catch it live, I'm just not allowed to have an opinion? Am I strictly limited to commenting on stuff from 1997 onwards?

It’s always that same tired old argument: "Oh, you weren't there." What, since when does watching the tapes not count? Give me a break.