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He warned him in the thread about the burqa ban

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Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active MemberOP
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joined Feb 2014
#1 ·
So, I see that the moderator lonebadger6, who I usually have a massive amount of respect for, decided to drop this warning on the thread titled "should the US ban the burqa" over on the Close Politics PDF

I’m feeling a little bit lost here, if I'm being honest.
... basically, they wear them if they themselves are radicalized, or perhaps because they grew up in a radicalized society and don't know anything else ...

Look, I'll admit I might have taken that specific sentence—or at least a chunk of it—slightly out of context, but where exactly is a moderator getting the data to suggest that every single Muslim woman wearing certain coverings is either a radical or just playing along? It's like we're implying they're all either under some kind of intense physical or psychological coercion, or they're potential terrorists.

I’m just looking for a little clarification on why that warning was issued. That's really all I'm after.
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#2 ·
Honestly, even to me, this warning doesn't look particularly well-crafted. Let's just wait for the moderator to weigh in.
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active MemberOP
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joined Feb 2014
#3 ·
I’ve gotta say, that message from the moderator caught me a little off guard
If this was coming from one of those hardcore right-wing conservatives, I probably wouldn't have even given it a second thought
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
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#4 ·
I’m sticking by my claim (and Nicholas Watson, you’re really the only one on this thread who doesn't seem to get it, if you'll excuse the bluntness) but I suppose I agree it might not have belonged in the warning itself.

The part about the hijab in the warning matters because people have started dragging it into this conversation, which is totally off base, though it probably just stems from a lack of basic knowledge... since you can see throughout this whole thread how often someone pops up without any clue what a burqa, a niqab, or a hijab actually is.

Regarding the burqa and the niqab—this is a bit of an aside to your question—but I honestly think you ought to look into where those are actually worn, why they're worn there, what the consequences are for not wearing them, and what the status of women is in those countries... You don't even need to go too deep into a Google search, everything is on Wikipedia if you want the links and all that. And you're trolling a bit too much with this, just like in that opening post—asking "where did the moderator get the data" is just as ridiculous as asking where a moderator or a user got the data to claim that EVERY Jew was against wearing yellow armbands, when some might have actually liked it...

So, I'm saying you should study where the burqa and niqab are used and the social standing of women in those societies, and what happens to those who refuse to wear them. I don't think you're a troll, so I'm assuming it's just pure ignorance regarding the subject (though I don't quite grasp why you're being so stubborn about it). None of this has anything to do with the left or the right, nor does it ultimately have anything to do with Islam, because the Quran doesn't mandate the wearing of burqas or niqabs anywhere, nor are they worn in 95% of Muslim countries, and in some places, they are openly banned (not just in France)... Do you follow that part at least? 🙂 There are Muslim countries where it is literally forbidden for a woman to wear a burqa or a niqab. And plenty more where it isn't illegal, but it's actively discouraged and suppressed in every way possible. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active MemberOP
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joined Feb 2014
#5 ·
Look, I know the whole deal, but I’ve never actually gone out on a limb to support that practice in any of my posts before
What I’m talking about is a blanket ban for EVERYONE

If the moderators decide that your specific claim violates their policy, then hey, I don't have a problem with that. I might not personally agree with it, but I’ll follow it just like any other rule laid out in that PDF
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#6 ·
Regarding that specific section, I agree it feels a bit clunky sitting there in the warning. But honestly, it isn't some kind of strict "edict" forbidding anyone from expressing a different view. The whole point of the disclaimer—and I think it's pretty obvious, though William Bennett53 can certainly tweak it if needed—is just to make sure we aren't forcing a religious narrative into this story, especially since most American women don't choose to wear head coverings...
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active MemberOP
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joined Feb 2014
#7 ·
Look
My bad if I went off on you for nothing
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#8 ·
Perhaps we should strip away that clumsy assertion inside the parentheses and swap out the word "substantially" for something a bit more nuanced.

But for the most part, I believe we have this settled. 😁

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