Soccer Forum - UEFA Euro 2016

Susan Price30 said:I don't get why you won't just provide actual evidence—like, give even one concrete example out of that massive pile of criminal and extreme posts you're supposedly compiling for the police? (Assuming you're actually putting together a file for the cops, which is what you suggested in your intro post...) instead of just implying that 'inciting violence is being tolerated' or claiming that, quote: 'mods are encouraging violence.'

If every single one of those posts was actually like that—which clearly they aren't—then why isn't anyone posting links to them?

Anyway, I'm out...

Me doing a moderator's job? Ha ha... you gotta be kidding me. Look, I'm here to sound the alarm, not to hand everything to them on a silver platter. They're the ones who are "paid"—or okay, they volunteered—to do that specific job, so they should actually do it! I am definitely not doing their work for them; if they won't step up, there are plenty of other people who will.

As if I should be hunting down posts that they are literally supposed to be finding themselves.

Susan Price30 said:I don't quite follow why you aren't including actual evidence—like even just one specific example—amidst that massive sea of criminal and extreme posts you’re supposedly compiling for the police? (Assuming you are actually gathering evidence for the authorities, and if so, how exactly are you suggesting this in your opening post?) Instead of just implying that "inciting violence is being tolerated" or claiming that, quote: "mods are encouraging violence."

If every single one of those posts was actually problematic (which clearly isn't the case), then why hasn't anyone provided links to prove it?

Anyway, I'm heading out...

Take a look through the threads; there are plenty of them if you want to find more about the football PDF situation.

rustydrifter10 said:Inciting violence or glorifying illegal acts is strictly prohibited on this forum. The moderators are actively working to manage a thread that is incredibly heated. It is impossible to react to everything instantly; please give them some Time.

That’s why Titus handed out a ban for trolling in record time. Yet here I am, ten months later, still waiting for a clear explanation of what exactly constituted "trolling." Not a single coherent response has been given.
It seems like people with differing opinions can get flagged in under thirty seconds, yet certain provocative posts just sit there indefinitely without any moderation at all. 🍿

Joseph Stewart38 said:It’s probably best if I’m the one hunting down posts they should be finding themselves.

The thing is, they don't actually have to find them—if you've filed a complaint, you're supposed to provide the evidence yourself. Besides, this forum or the world at large doesn't exactly revolve around you.

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Joseph Stewart38 said:Besides, I honestly can't wrap my head around how a thread titled "everyone who hates the striker" was even allowed on this forum. It feels like the super-mods are off on summer vacation somewhere—not the regular mods, mind you, they’re actually active in that thread—but just glancing at that topic gives me the creeps. The stuff being written there is revolting. You’d think the thread was created specifically as a playground for psychopaths to vent their frustrations. In my eight years on this forum, I haven't seen this much hate, incitement to violence, or pure destruction anywhere else. There used to be a sub-forum, maybe called "Blue Politics" or something similar, where people could speak a bit more freely, but it wasn't anywhere near as toxic as what’s happening in this specific thread.

It’s terrifying that something like this was permitted here. Even worse, you have moderators actively participating in it, writing right alongside the people encouraging violence, inciting aggression, and spreading hate speech.

The fact that such a thing existed is appalling. And all with the support of the moderation team.

You really ought to re-evaluate your choice of moderators. Clearly, nobody is keeping an eye on their track record or how they actually behave.

Why are you lying, John? I’m asking you as nicely as I possibly can. There isn't a single trace of what you're describing in that thread you mentioned.
You're also lying when you claim the soccer moderators were inciting violence.
You've thrown out all these accusations, yet you haven't provided a shred of evidence.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:Why are you lying, John? I’m asking you as nicely as I possibly can. There isn’t a single trace of what you’re talking about in that thread you mentioned.
You’re also lying when you say the soccer mods were inciting violence.
You’ve thrown out all these wild accusations here without providing a shred of evidence.

"There isn't a trace," he says.

Oh, right—that's why it was closed, wasn't it? Because everyone was having such a lovely, polite little chat?
Is it just your standard move to shut down threads where people actually discuss things civilly?

I already gave my answer to someone else, and honestly, I’m not interested in doing your job for you. My role is to sound the alarm; yours is to actually do something about it. Though, I guess it’s much easier if we just hand everything to you on a silver platter while you just sit there handing out digital timeouts, right?

That whole thread was basically a breeding ground for hooliganism—people were treating it like it was some kind of badge of honor and cheering it on. And get this: the moderators who usually run the soccer boards were right there in the thick of it, and they all seem to share the exact same warped mindset. It’s all tucked under the guise of some "crusade" against Mamić—as soon as you drop that magic name, suddenly anything goes! You could write whatever nonsense you want just because you're "against Mamić." But heaven forbid you actually call out that garbage behavior—then you get hit with a ban instantly. Believe me, I know, because the second you aren't perfectly aligned with the mods and the rest of the crowd in that thread, you're out. If you're "anti-Mamić," they'll let you cheer for thugs and savages all day long.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:Why the dishonesty, John? I’m asking you as politely as I possibly can. There isn't a single trace of what you're claiming in the thread you mentioned.
You're also spinning this lie that the soccer moderators were inciting violence.
You've thrown out all these accusations here without providing a shred of evidence.

If you need a masterclass in how your moderators actually communicate and operate, just look at my entire thread, which you haven't bothered to address in nearly a year. And wouldn't you know it—you're ignoring me all over again.

Joseph Stewart38 said:There’s nothing there, you say.

Oh, is that why it was shut down? Was it because the discussion was so civil and polite?
Do you guys have a habit of closing threads just because people are actually behaving themselves?

I’ve already given my answer to someone else; it’s not my job to do your work for you. My role is to raise the red flag, and yours is to take action. It would be much easier if we just served everything up on a silver platter while you guys simply handed out penalties, wouldn't it?

That specific thread was practically an anthem for hooliganism; people were talking about it like it was something to be proud of, and they were even cheering for it. Even the moderators who usually handle the soccer discussions were involved, and they all seem to share the exact same mindset. Under the guise of fighting against Mamić—since you brought up that "magical" name—absolutely anything goes. You could write whatever you wanted as long as you framed it as being against Mamić. But the moment you happen to disagree with that kind of behavior, you get hit with a penalty instantly. I’m speaking from direct experience here; if you aren't perfectly aligned with the moderators and the rest of the crowd in that thread, you're out. If you're against Mamić, then cheering for hooliganism and primitive behavior is perfectly tolerated.

Regarding the connection between opinions on Mamić and the way the moderators act, I can personally vouch for these claims.

Just take a look at what the moderator under the handle "Titus" is typing in this thread about the fan riots—it’s all painfully obvious. It’s basically just thinly veiled support for the chaos and hooliganism. Of course, he didn't explicitly say, "Yeah, I'm all for the rioting"—because, hey, he actually has enough brain cells left to know he can't type that out—but everything he’s writing is designed to justify the absolute mess those thugs made during the match against Chelsea. Seriously, every single word is aimed at making excuses for that violent pushback against the football federation leadership. You’d have to be completely blind not to see it, or just straight-up malicious to intentionally ignore it.

Joseph Stewart38 said:Just take a look at what the moderator under the handle "Titus" is posting in the thread about the fan riots; it’s all crystal clear—it's basically just thinly veiled support for the chaos and hooliganism. Of course, he didn't explicitly say, "I support the rioting," because he's smart enough to know he can't write that, but everything he writes serves to justify the actions those thugs took during the match against Chelsea. Absolutely everything is aimed at legitimizing this violent struggle against the football federation leadership. You'd have to be blind not to see it, or malicious enough to intentionally ignore it.

And on those same threads last night, while you were (for hours on end) referencing those alleged "hooligans and lowlifes," you were more or less indirectly addressing them too, constantly talking to the forum members there, right? And nonstop and way out of proportion... repeating yourself like a broken record about some "bums, drunks," and such, along with a couple of others from Politics.

(Yeah, you're probably clever enough that you didn't write it totally blatantly so you could dodge a penalty, even if it was transparent and not particularly smart enough to hide your true intentions).

That's basically why you showed up there (last night), wasn't it? Just to troll and flame them, right? Come on, admit it...😉

We could go on like this until tomorrow... do you think anyone here is stupid, or what? I honestly don't even get what your goal is.

Joseph Stewart38 said:Just look at what the moderator under the handle "Titus" is posting in the thread about the fan riots. It’s pretty obvious—it's just thinly veiled support for hooliganism and chaos.

Well, why don't you drop more links then... if you actually have an accusation to make.🙏

(because right now, it just looks like you're talking nonsense and starting threads for no reason)

And honestly, what might seem like grounds for a warning or a ban to you might look totally different to someone else. You get that, right?
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Susan Price30 said:So, I was hanging out on those same threads last night—and man, you were going at it for hours, seriously—blasting those supposed "hooligans and lowlifes." But if you look closely, you were basically taking shots at us regular forum members too, weren't you? It was indirect, sure, but it was there. And honestly, it was just way over the line. You kept looping back to this whole thing about "bums and drunks" like some kind of broken record, joining forces with a couple of those guys from the Politics board to just keep the rant going and going.

Yeah, you’re probably slick enough that you didn't write that to be totally obnoxious—more like you were trying to wiggle out of a penalty without looking like a jerk—but let's be real, it was transparent as hell. It wasn't even particularly clever, so there's no way anyone missed what you were actually trying to pull.

So, let me get this straight—you basically showed up last night with nothing else in mind than just trying to troll everyone and start some drama, right? Just pure flame wars from the jump? Come on, man, just admit it!😉

And we could just sit here talking in circles until tomorrow at this rate... I mean, seriously, does anyone around here actually have a clue what’s going on? Or is everyone just playing dumb? I honestly can't even wrap my head around what you're trying to get at.

Yeah, I said exactly what I said about those hooligans—I didn't hold back, and honestly, I wouldn't change a single word. I called those monsters exactly what they are. So what? You got a problem with that? Does it actually bother you when someone calls them out as explicitly as I did? Because I mean it—I’m not going to sugarcoat anything just to make people feel comfortable.

What kind of "trolling" are you even talking about? What, are you some kind of moderator now or something? Using that term like you own the place—give me a break. Look, I hopped on here tonight because I was absolutely livid about what went down, and yeah, obviously I didn't exactly sugarcoat things when calling out those deviants. For them? Every single time? I’ve got nothing but the harshest words in my vocabulary ready to go. I’m telling you straight, no filters, no beating around the bush.

Susan Price30 said:Drop the links... seriously, just put them up there. Because if you’re being accused of something—even if it looks like total nonsense to you and you're thinking "this is clearly red card territory"—the admins might see things a little differently... and we all know how that goes.

Look, I already told you—I’m not a moderator, and I have zero intention of digging through old threads, hitting search, or copy-pasting posts from one topic over to this one just to spoon-feed everything to them. That’s literally their job description, isn't it? They're the ones on the clock for that kind of stuff, not me.

Look, there’s this one supermod who hangs out in the soccer sub enough that he actually knows his stuff—like, he really gets what's going on. Now, maybe he sees things differently than I do—and hey, if he does, that’s totally fine—but at least he isn't clueless.

Joseph Stewart38 said:There’s absolutely nothing there.

Oh, so that's why it was locked, right? Because everyone was having such a polite, civil conversation?
Is it just standard procedure here to shut down threads where people actually discuss things respectfully?

I'm telling you, there is nothing left. That thread was locked five minutes after the incident happened, right after three (3) posts went up. You didn't even get a chance to read them because they were wiped immediately.

But clearly, that didn't stop you from posting this at noon today—about 15 hours after the whole thing ended: "just a glance at that thread gives you the creeps; the stuff written there is revolting. You'd think the thread was opened specifically so psychopaths could vent their frustrations."

You're lying, John. Just straight-up lying. You're lying like Karamarko. There is nothing in that thread that causes "the creeps," and there certainly weren't any "psychopaths" writing there. It never happened.

Joseph Stewart38 said:I already answered someone else. I'm not here to do your job for you. My role is to flag issues; yours is to act on them. I guess you'd prefer we just serve everything up on a silver platter while you just sit there handing out bans, right?

You aren't doing this for my sake; you're doing it for yours. When people don't back up their claims with facts, they just end up looking like liars. We both know you're being manipulative here, but you could have put in a little more effort for the rest of us, instead of making it so easy for us to see right through you.

Joseph Stewart38 said:I already gave you my answer. I am not a moderator, and I have no intention of digging through threads, searching, or copy-pasting posts from one topic to this one just to do their job and serve everything to them on a silver platter. They are the ones responsible for that, not me.

You can't or won't provide links because you're trying to plant evidence that doesn't exist, right? That's the reason. It wouldn't be much trouble to drop a single post into some supposed thread where the moderators and the whole forum are supposedly, quote: 'encouraging violence and applauding violence.'

Why is there no proof? Because what you're trying to frame people with simply isn't there. Now, someone could certainly go over there, copy a perfectly normal post, and then come back here to explain to you what that post actually means or doesn't mean, but man, you've already wasted everyone's Time.

Later.

Ryan Vaughn7 is just as much of a manipulator and a liar as you are.😉

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David Lopez97 said:Ryan Vaughn7, you're just a manipulator and a liar😉

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You're linking me to a post that's totally off-topic. Honestly, we're just venting about the garbage here, and you posted that right when I was busy replying to John earlier.
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I already gave my answer to someone else. It isn't my job to do yours. My role is simply to issue a warning, while you all handle the actual enforcement. What, should we just hand everything to you on a silver platter so you can just glue cardboard together?

Ha, 🤣except you aren't issuing warnings; if anything, it seems like—to put it mildly—you’re just repeatedly lying.

Get serious, man, honestly... people here don't have the time for your nonsense.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:There isn't a trace of it, I'm telling you. The thread was locked five minutes after the incident happened—after only three (3) posts. Which you didn't even bother reading because they were wiped immediately.

But hey, that didn't stop you from posting this today at noon—so, like, about 15 hours after the whole thing wrapped up: "because just a glance at that thread gives you the creeps and makes you sick when you see what was being written there; you'd think the thread stayed open just so psychopaths could vent their frustrations."

You're lying, John. You are blatantly lying. You lie just like Karamarko. There is absolutely nothing in that thread that causes "the creeps," nor were there any "psychopaths" writing there. Ever.

You aren't doing this for my sake, you're doing it for yours. If people don't back up their claims with actual facts, they just look like liars. We both know you're a liar and a manipulator, but you could have at least tried a little harder for everyone else's sake so we wouldn't have to expose you so easily.

Fine, whatever, the thread is "just fine." It's perfectly fine, right? Civil people write civil things on it, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with cheering on hooligans, and there’s nothing wrong with supporting violent clashes with anyone who disagrees. The thread is great—it's so great that the soccer subforum moderators basically hang out there all day, sharing views with the same crowd that supports hooligan violence.

Yeah, sure.

I'm the liar and you're the one speaking the truth. I'm the villain and you're the hero.

Sure, whatever you say.

Cheers.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:You’re dropping a link to a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with this—just straight-up hate speech—and you timing it right when I just finished replying to John...
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Look, legend, I’m linking a post from a thread that’s actually relevant to the FIFA World Cup 2014 discussion, which is the whole reason this topic was even opened in the first place.

Oh, sure, right? I guess we don't support hooliganism here—moderators just swoop in and sanction everything, don't they?

Today at 11:22 AM. Totally unpunished, of course.

Look, I’m not some die-hard fanatic, but I have to tip my hat to what those guys pulled off yesterday. To pull that stunt, you’d need guts bigger than the Rocky Mountains, not just for the act itself, but considering the fallout. I’m not saying throwing flares is okay—it isn't—but there was definitely no intention to hurt that firefighter.

Honestly, I don't even follow or cheer for this "national team" anymore. This isn't the real American team back when guys like Mamić and Šuker were running the show—all while getting the blessing of "patriots" like Kolinda, Bujanec, and Karamarko. Screw this national team, seriously. There. I said it.

And it's great that someone finally pointed out our true national idols: we've got Modrić (or maybe Luca) who was right in the middle of a massive mafia-style money laundering scheme, or Brozović, whose parents basically pulled him out of high school just so he could focus on soccer. Real role models for the little Americans out there.

As for all these "patriots," I’d say take a second to actually think about what kind of country we live in. America is a total mafia playground, yet we have criminals giving lectures on patriotism and social values. This group of fans has been fighting against Mamić and his whole clique for years using legal, institutional methods, and where has it gotten them? Nowhere.

And to everyone living abroad—if you actually want to show some patriotism and help America, then stop voting for these "patriots" and just let those of us living here choose our own government.

It took me less than a minute to find a single post like that, and there are like ten of them today—yesterday there were dozens. Every single one is just cheering on, inciting, and applauding hooliganism, and yet they’re still sitting there untouched in the thread. What's more, even the moderator "Titus" is writing posts like that, trying to justify this violence and downplay it by framing it as some sort of noble struggle.

Go ahead, keep telling me I'm lying. No problem. When I have a spare moment, I'll dump a bunch more posts like these right here, and then we can see who's actually lying.

Yeah, we haven't seen this kind of social media dogpile since the ExxonMobil scandal.
Except back then, we were dealing with a completely different beast altogether.

Topic: To everyone hating on the hooligans
Time: today 2:26 PM

Comparing the "witch hunt against hooligans" to an ExxonMobil executive—who was actually convicted of murder and rape
Status: unpunished

Honestly, the only way you could even attempt to link this to ExxonMobil is if you were—as I’ve said before—a total psychopath or just plain mentally unstable.

But hey, of course, that's not true. That's just all in my head, right?

I'm just making things up, am I not?

Moving on...

Joseph Stewart38 said:The struggles.

Go ahead and keep telling me I'm lying if you want to. It doesn't bother me. Once I find some time, I’ll drop more posts like these, and then we can all see who's actually telling the truth.

You’re lying through your teeth about how much weight you carry. I wrote it out, and I quoted you directly—your posts are genuinely unsettling. They're revolting, frankly. And that kid you used as an example? In his very first sentence, he was giving props to the guys in charge, and the rest of his post was perfectly fine. You’re calling that psychopathology? Is that really what you'd want to be punished for? Or did you just realize everyone could see you were exaggerating, so now you're grasping at straws?
By the way, even that post isn't coming from the kind of hateful crowd you explicitly called out as being the absolute worst.

David Lopez97 said:Hey man, I’m sending you a link to the thread from that PDF about the FIFA World Cup 2014. I honestly have no clue why this specific topic was even opened up in the first place.

You’re seriously linking me to a post that you can clearly see I couldn't have responded to because I was right here—the timestamps don't lie—and then calling me a manipulator? Honestly, it's pretty shameless. Just like John's behavior.