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Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix (Los Angeles - Central Park) 03.20.2016.

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northerncobra31 northerncobra31 Active Member
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#141 ·
I think this is actually a fair assessment. It’s logical that some tracks will see more variation than others depending on the lap length. Honestly, I wouldn't use last year's results as a benchmark anyway; Lewis Hamilton's lap time was a 26.3 last year. I don't really feel like digging through the archives to check last year's track temperature or if there was any rain, but I find it hard to believe the cars suddenly gained three full seconds. Maybe I just had my expectations set too high, I guess.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#142 ·
I suspect that Ferrari is placing their primary hopes on their race pace, essentially betting that they can actually challenge Mercedes once the lights go out and the real racing begins. We shall simply have to wait and see how things unfold tomorrow, won't we? If one recalls last year at the Australian Grand Prix, Ferrari seemed to possess much more than mere potential during the race itself compared to their qualifying performance. However, what strikes me as truly encouraging for Ferrari is that even after undergoing such significant concept changes, they remain remarkably competitive. And since this current concept is still relatively fresh, is there not plenty of room for them to continue making progress?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#143 ·
After those qualifying sessions...

STR 🙏 expected them to be up there, but they aren't quite on the same level as Ferrari itself 👍
Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if they snagged a podium at some point this season...

RB 👍 Adrian Newey has built an absolute beast of a car. I have a feeling Ricc and Kvyat would be fighting for the title even with last year's Ferrari engine, but with a German one? They'd win it guaranteed...

McLaren-Honda—and what an obvious leap forward. 👍
I expect Button and Alonso to be scoring points almost every single race...
It’s going to be a massive season for McLaren.

Williams 👎 took a huge step backward compared to the rest of the field...
Either everyone else got way faster while they stayed stagnant, or they just completely messed things up and ended up slower than last year...

FI—pretty disappointing, I was expecting more.

Germany—better than expected.

Ferrari—solid, but no massive jump in performance... at this pace, they might have knocked Mercedes off their throne somewhere around 2019-2020...

The rest—predictably bad...
The real question is who cracks first: Manor, Sauber, or will Renault just decide to pack up and leave Formula 1 entirely?
Haas looks decent for a start... nothing spectacular, but definitely solid enough...
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
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#144 ·
stormybadger8 said:After those qualifying sessions...

Williams 👎 seems to have taken a massive step backward compared to the rest of the grid...
Either everyone else has found a huge leap in pace while they stayed stagnant, or they’ve somehow managed to mess things up so badly that they're actually slower than last year...

It’s pretty clear that Valtteri Bottas and Felipe Massa aren't exactly "one-lap wonder" types. If I recall correctly from previous seasons, it usually takes them at least two or three laps just to nail a decent flyer. As for the car itself, they're likely waiting on a new nose and front wing in Bahrain to see what kind of progress they actually made over the winter. They'll just have to make do with whatever they can grab during this race.
We’ll be much wiser tomorrow once the race is over. As for the heavy hitters, Mercedes-Benz and Ferrari seem to have landed right where you'd expect them to.
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
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#145 ·
Bernie Ecclestone had some thoughts on this morning's qualifying sessions—criticized them, sure, but he made it clear that sliding back into the old ways isn't on the table. He’s not interested in seeing Mercedes-Benz sitting there in P1 and P2 every single time, mostly because he thinks it kills the viewership numbers. He even floated this idea about taking the top performers from one race and slapping penalty seconds on them during the next qualifying round, just to shake up the grid and actually make the races worth watching.

So, if you ask the boss, we can probably kiss that old Q3 format goodbye—the one where Mercedes rolls out onto the track and absolutely obliterates everyone else in the first few minutes. But honestly, this new setup hasn't exactly done much to push the Germans off the front of the pack either.🤔
Edward Mendoza6 Edward Mendoza6 Member
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#146 ·
Honestly, they might as well just pull the starting positions out of a hat at this point—it would be way more boring, sure, but it’d definitely be cheaper ☕
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#147 ·
Look, the whole point of qualifying isn't to wipe out the best driver on the grid...
brighthound8 brighthound8 Member
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#148 ·
I’m suggesting we adopt the MotoGP format instead.

Look—there are 22 riders total. We run a Q2 session lasting 15 minutes where the drivers ranked 12th through 22nd compete; the top two from that group advance to Q1, while everyone else just settles for their current standing.

Then, you move into a 15-minute Q1 where the guys in positions 1 through 11 fight for their spots.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#149 ·
Tyler Bennett5 said:It's pretty obvious Bottas and Massa aren't exactly qualifying specialists. If I remember correctly from previous seasons, it takes them forever—usually three laps minimum—just to nail a fast one. As for the car, they're probably just waiting on a new nose or front wing in Bahrain to see if their winter upgrades actually did anything. Whatever they grab in this race, they grab.
We'll all act like geniuses tomorrow once the race is over. As for the rest of the grid, Mercedes-Benz and Ferrari have already staked their claims.

Hard for them to catch anything if Ted actually has decent intel...
Looks like a disqualification is coming their way since they failed to hand over the required paperwork to the FIA regarding suspension, tires, and so on.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#150 ·
Robert Cox46 said:Bernie took a swing at this morning's qualifying, but he was pretty clear about one thing: going back to the old ways isn't on the table. He’s sick of seeing Mercedes sitting there in P1 and P2 because, frankly, it kills the viewership. He even floated this wild idea about slapping penalty seconds on the top drivers from the previous race during qualifying just to shake up the grid and actually make things interesting.

Look, if you ask the boss, we can kiss that old Q3 format goodbye—you know, back when Mercedes would roll onto the track and absolutely demolish everyone else in the first few minutes. But honestly? This new format hasn't done a damn thing to get Mercedes off the top step either. 🤔

Pure idiocy. Just the same old crap...
If you've got the fastest car and the fastest driver on the grid, they better dominate qualifying. It’s just common sense. ☕
Pure idiocy. Let's organize a race between a tortoise and a cheetah—but only on the condition that the tortoise wins. 🤦

The only thing that would actually make sense is a reverse grid where qualifying points count toward the standings too—just with a smaller point haul, obviously.
Let’s talk points. If we go with the 15, 12, 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 system, and looking at how the race actually played out...
Imagine if they actually ran the race with a reversed grid—like having Lewis Hamilton starting in 22nd while Pascal Wehrlein takes pole. Pure madness. 😁
Sure, let's just make tires and fuel—both volume and flow rate—completely unlimited. Toss in unrestricted DRS and KERS usage while you're at it. Why stop there?

If they’re going to put on a circus, they might as well do it right. If we're doing a masquerade, let's at least make it look like one. 🤣
dustyskipper77 dustyskipper77 Member
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#151 ·
Sebastian Vettel is banking on a massive comeback during the race...

http://www.f1puls.com/9018/vettel-ni...okret-u-utrci/
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active MemberOP
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#152 ·
dustyskipper77 said:Sebastian Vettel is hoping for a comeback during the race...

http://www.f1puls.com/9018/vettel-ni...okret-u-utrci/

Honestly, anything other than a 1-2 finish for Germany would be a total surprise.
rowdyrider12 rowdyrider12 Member
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#153 ·
Everything would likely settle itself within the first two laps; the faster drivers would naturally pull ahead while those lacking pace would simply fall behind, wouldn't they?
We really ought to prioritize actual racing rather than allowing this kind of Laha gamesmanship to take over...
If we could just implement a dedicated set of tires for qualifying, lift the restrictions on fuel flow, and move away from having stewards who penalize drivers for every minor infraction imaginable...
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#154 ·
brighthound8 said:I’m suggesting we switch to a MotoGP-style format.

So, there are 22 drivers. Following the three-session principle, drivers ranked 12th through 22nd would compete in a 15-minute Q2. The top two move on to Q1, while everyone else takes their positions based on those times.

After that, Q1 lasts 15 minutes, where drivers 1 through 11 fight for their spots.


And who exactly do you think would take pole position—under this setup or any other "normal" qualifying format—if it isn't the fastest driver in the fastest car?
copperdrifter26 copperdrifter26 Active Member
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#155 ·
Sebastian Vettel could have easily shaved off more than eight-hundredths of a second, but he mentioned there was just no point burning through another set of tires when they wouldn't have gained enough ground anyway. Ferrari looks solid, though—at least it's their smallest gap in Los Angeles compared to the last four years. They're actually running at least 2.5 seconds faster than they were at this same track last year, if you factor in the softs. Honestly, Germany is just on another level...

That said, I really think Ferrari nailed the chassis design this time around. I mean, look, they're only trailing Red Bull by 1.8 seconds 😳 There is absolutely no way that's all down to the engine; there’s no way the power deficit is over a full second. That would imply a gap of about 80 horsepower...

Lewis Hamilton put down an absolute monster of a lap, clocking in just three-hundredths slower than his pole position time back in 2011.
copperdrifter26 copperdrifter26 Active Member
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#156 ·
stormybadger8 said:After those qualifying sessions...

STR 🙏 were expected to be up there, but honestly, they aren't quite on the level of Ferrari itself just yet. 👍
I wouldn't even be surprised if they managed to snatch up a podium or two this season...

Red Bull 👍 Newey has built an absolute beast of a car. I have a feeling that even with last year's Ferrari engine, Ricciardo and Kvyat would be fighting for the title—but with Bear's power unit? They'd own the field, guaranteed...

McHonda — the progress here is just impossible to ignore. 👍
I'm expecting Button and Alonso to be scoring points pretty much every single race...
This is going to be a massive, full-package upgrade season for McLaren.

Williams 👎 have taken a huge step backward compared to the rest of the pack...
Either everyone else has found a massive jump in pace while they stayed stagnant, or they’ve completely messed things up and ended up slower than they were last year...

FI — pretty disappointing, to be honest. I was expecting more from them.

Bear — better than anyone expected!

Ferrari — solid, but no massive leap forward... At this rate, they might challenge Mercedes for the throne somewhere around 2019 or 2020...

The rest — predictably bad...
The real question is who will crack first: Manor, Sauber, or will Renault just decide to pack it all in and leave Formula 1 altogether?
Haas looks decent for a start... nothing spectacular, but perfectly fine...

Tibi, what are you even talking about? STR is a full second behind Ferrari; they aren't anywhere near the level you're suggesting.

Red Bull definitely isn't as good regarding chassis compared to Bear; they aren't even close. Look, they're 1.8 seconds off the lead... There is no way they have a deficit of more than 150 horsepower. In my opinion, the Red Bull chassis is sitting somewhere down with Ferkan...

McLaren already beat them pretty badly back in Los Angeles 2012, so this isn't exactly a shocker.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#157 ·
dustyskipper77 said:Vettel is banking on a comeback during the race...

http://www.f1puls.com/9018/vettel-ni...okret-u-utrci/

Yeah, he's certainly expecting it...
He's been spinning this same old yarn since he joined Ferrari, so why stop now?

Chances of Bear actually beating them in the race are even slimmer than his chances in qualifying...
Unless, of course, Pirelli cooked up some special tires just because Bernie asked nicely...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#158 ·
copperdrifter26 said:Tibi, what are you even talking about? STR is just a second behind Ferrari—it’s nowhere near the level you're claiming.

Red Bull definitely isn't as good as Bear when it comes to the chassis; they aren't even close. Look, being 1.8 seconds off the leader... there's no way they're facing a deficit of more than 150 horsepower. In my opinion, Red Bull's chassis is sitting somewhere down with Ferkan...

McLaren already smoked them back in Los Angeles 2012, so this isn't exactly a shocker.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-...ualifying.html

A whole second, huh? 🙂
STR is actually less than half a second behind Kimi, and that's with them only getting one fast lap in right at the start...

As for power, Bear seriously cranked up their PU; the gap could easily be over 100 HP compared to Renault and Honda...
At the end of the day, I think Ferrari is trailing by at least 50 HP too, maybe even more than they were at the end of last season. The only difference is they've got a better car this year...
northerncobra31 northerncobra31 Active Member
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#159 ·
stormybadger8 said:But he's been telling that same story since he joined Ferrari, so I guess he has to...

The odds of seeing Bear in the race are even lower than seeing them in qualifying...
Unless Pirelli cooked up a special tire compound just because Bernie asked them to...

I agree. Honestly, it looks tough for them to win on any track this year unless something unexpected happens to the duo at Mercedes.
copperdrifter26 copperdrifter26 Active Member
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#160 ·
stormybadger8 said:http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-...ualifying.html

You say a second, but 🙂
STR is actually less than half a second behind Kimi, and that's just from them running a single flyer right at the start...

As for power, the Bear has seriously cranked up their PU output; I wouldn't be surprised if the gap is over 100 HP compared to Renault and Honda...
At the end of the day, I think Ferrari is lagging by at least 50 HP too—maybe even more than they were at the end of last season. The only difference is they have a better chassis this year...

🤣🤣

So, according to your logic, is Ferrari only about three-hundredths of a second behind Mercedes? I mean, if Vettel had put down a second flying lap just 0.02 or 0.03 seconds faster, would that be his total deficit to Rosberg? Because by that reasoning, you're comparing one team's fastest driver against the other team's slowest one. 🤦

Max is 0.08 behind Ferrari, and that's really all there is to it. No need to overthink it—they have a slower car and a weaker engine. Red Bull themselves mentioned that STR gained 0.08 thanks to the engine alone, and both Renault and Red Bull confirmed the new Renault is half a second faster than last year's. That implies the STR and RB chassis are somewhere in the mix, but definitely inferior to Ferrari's.

Regarding horsepower, looking at top speeds and sector times, I'd say Ferrari's engine is about 20hp weaker than Mercedes's. Maybe Renault's is 80hp down.

The RB chassis isn't even close to being as good as this year's Bear chassis, and that's just a fact.

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