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Massive thread locking and PDF book requests in the religion section

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Participants Jason Clark7Robert Hernandez3Anthony Perez9brisknomad13Sam Alvarez4Tyler Cruz32
Jason Clark7 Jason Clark7 MemberOP
33 messages
joined Nov 2012
#1 ·
Jason Clark7:
I would add to this situation that topics are being locked far too frequently and for much too long, even extending to when the book section is under a religion lock; I am simply waiting to see when the entire religion section will be shut down altogether, all under the pretext that "we" are the ones at fault...

Dorian Gray:
The moderators on the religion section aren't obligated to have access to the book section. It is entirely up to their goodwill and their desire to resolve minor dilemmas more easily. If those mechanisms aren't used according to what was agreed upon, I don't see why they couldn't just lock it...

In the spirit of that response, perhaps we can soon expect the religion PDF to be locked because of "our" manners, given that it isn't mandatory for it to remain on the forum, especially if one considers its secular orientation... 😵

Furthermore, it is quite evident that when atheists, following their own "manners," provoke and needle religious people, the topics remain open; yet, the moment religious users provoke atheists, an immediate lock follows without any explanation whatsoever... 🤔
Robert Hernandez3 Robert Hernandez3 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2015
#2 ·
Honestly, I think it’s a huge relief for the moderators that the appeals book for Religion lock is closed. First off, you can't even find it on other PDFs anymore. Plus, people were constantly abusing that book on the forum; it was rarely ever the atheists doing it—mostly just the theists. This way is much better: we have rules, and people will be penalized based on them. If someone feels they've been treated unfairly, they can head over to the FBI corner or the religion close.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#3 ·
Robert Hernandez3 said:Honestly, I think the mods are breathing a lot easier now that the religion lock is active. For one thing, you can't even find that manual on other PDFs anymore. Plus, people on the forum were constantly weaponizing it against each other;

Coming from the guy who spent most of his life hanging out there just to complain. 🙄
brisknomad13 brisknomad13 Member
44 messages
joined Apr 2012
#4 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:Coming from someone who’s basically spent their whole life hanging out there complaining. 🙄

I’ll second that.

Honestly, I think Religion is one of the best-moderated sub-forums on this site.
(even if I don't always vibe with every call they make)
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
303 messages
joined Sep 2014
#5 ·
As far as I can tell, I’m on the same page as @brisknomad13.

Out of all the online forums I hang out in, this one is definitely the best moderated...
The thoroughness, the solid arguments, the level of literacy and class in the replies... they always have their eyes on the forum. Even when they aren't physically there, they are.
It really sets the standard for all the other mods out there...
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#6 ·
Shout out to the current mods on the religion lock (especially 🙂).
Tyler Cruz32 Tyler Cruz32 Active Member
50 messages
joined Oct 2012
#7 ·
Maybe the book will be unlocked eventually, but we'll just have to wait and see.

A locked thread isn't a permanent state of affairs, so there is no reason to be upset right now. 😉

The reality is that lately, the book itself has been frequently misused as a platform for private chatting—which turns it into a comedy routine while the actual thread remains virtually empty—as well as being used for calling people out, which creates an incredibly awkward atmosphere.

It simply cannot continue this way.

Musa is joking a little bit about it being "because of our behavior"... and yes, that is exactly why.

I feel bad that all the forum members end up facing the same consequences as those who broke the rules, but you have to understand that we can't be babysitting the book 24/7; we have lives outside of this, and when we log on between our other jobs, we shouldn't have to spend our time cleaning up a thread that is supposed to serve merely as a reminder or a place for quick questions. It certainly shouldn't involve mediating personal disputes and call-outs.

I have said it a hundred times: NO reporting others or naming names and calling people out here.
Use the report button for that, not the book.

But instead, people do the exact same thing in the book, and then we run into these problems.

We will see how things unfold, and whether or not we decide to unlock it depends entirely on you. After the third instance of massive spam involving dozens of posts, I finally snapped and thought, "Where is this even heading?"

You all need to pull it together. 😉

The complaint card thread exists, and you have private messaging, so I don't see any issue at all.

And yes, you all seem to be joking around regarding the concept of "manners," but once you realize that basic courtesy should be your primary mode of communication, there won't be any more disagreements, neither with us nor among yourselves across different threads. You just have to reach the point where you realize that is truly the case.

Regarding locking threads... there is that old saying: those who seek a little, receive a little.

Those who seek more, will receive more.

The more you demand from people, the more effort they will put in.

Everyone knows how threads are supposed to be opened and the proper way to do it.
If you want to start threads for small talk, there are dedicated sections like Socializing & Coffee, Random Chat, etc., where the atmosphere and dynamic are specifically designed for that kind of topic.

Things cannot function that way here, and providing a good introduction is absolutely vital for the topic and for moderation.

And when you fill a thread with off-topic chatter and spam... well, my goodness, of course it’s going to be locked. 😁
You have to learn not to do that.

I think I have done quite enough on my end; there is a specific section for off-topic posts, and I almost never issue warnings for it—instead, I would just clean it up, move the off-topic stuff, or post links to other threads... yet, just a few days later, here is the same off-topic clutter in a thread I just finished cleaning. Naturally, I am going to get frustrated.

It cannot work this way. There must be order. You wouldn't throw things all over the floor at home; you take care of your space, right? Think of this place as your online home where you spend a lot of time. You have to make an effort to keep it clean yourselves.

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