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São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

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Participants Gregory Brown94ruggedhawk20Drew Bennett68John Ortiz4Timothy Castillo6Sam Clark75Elizabeth MendozaAmy Castillo4Raymond Anderson4graniteharbor502wiredseal7Linda Peterson43Jack Kelly5Jacob Castillo70James Harris34shadowmarlin22Jason Fox2stormybadger8Nicholas Torres37Robin GrantLawrence Garcia5Brandon Chavez9Jason Campbell70Elizabeth Morales49 …
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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#141 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:The stewards just handed down a decision that’s incredibly brief, but honestly, maybe even the best outcome for those of us watching.
Send them both to the back of the grid.

Unless you've got some kind of inside track with NASCAR
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
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#141 ·
graniteharbor502 said:There actually isn't a specific rule stating exactly how many seconds must elapse between the first and last cars arriving on the grid. There is only one regulation, though it is subject to very broad interpretation. It states:
During the formation lap practice starts are forbidden and the formation must be kept as tight as possible.

Hmmmm, interesting. That whole thing about the seconds—I think I picked that up from the last race, back when everyone was complaining about how slow the formation lap was being handled.
ruggedmaker99 ruggedmaker99 Member
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#141 ·
Sam Clark75 said:Racing without the dirty moves, the brainless officiating, the endless whining—and let's be real, the constant excuses from Wolff and Horner about how "one side just has a massive advantage."

Just shut up, drive the damn car, and get on with it.

Fine by me on everything else,
but let's not start digging up old race footage from decades ago.
It’s the Wild West out there—total chaos. Can you imagine if they handed Max Verstappen a five-second penalty today? 🤣
gentlecobra23 gentlecobra23 Member
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joined Jan 2014
#142 ·
The only decent, moral call NASCAR could make here would be to disqualify Verstappen and slap Mercedes-Benz with a $10,000 fine. If anything else happens... I'll be genuinely shocked...
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#142 ·
shadowmarlin22 said:Hmmmm, interesting. That whole thing about the seconds—I think I picked that up from the last race, back when everyone was complaining about how slow the formation lap was being handled.

It is because the rule explicitly states: as tight as possible. And honestly, one could interpret that in just about any way they find convenient.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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joined May 2016
#142 ·
The only thing that really bugs me about this whole mess is how people are trying to justify Max’s wild driving just because he was fighting a faster car from a direct title rival.

Look, if that car is so much faster that you can't defend yourself without putting everyone at risk... then you just have to let them pass. Period. You don't get a free pass to drive like a maniac just because your car is slow.

Lewis overtaking Norris right at the end of the sprint was a perfect example of late braking where the driver actually keeps the car on the track.
But Max? Yesterday, he braked late on purpose just so his line would go wide off the track—basically saying "whatever happens, happens." He knew exactly what he was doing, braking late while knowing Lewis was right there on his right side.

So, in my book, there's absolutely no excuse for both of them ending up off the track.
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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#143 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:Man, Mercedes is basically chasing Ferrari's tail when things go south
It feels like Merc is hitting a wall with their engine and chassis design whenever they try to push this hard.

Both of them end up at the back of the grid—Max because of some legal nonsense and Luja because he played dirty.

Honestly, that sounds more like a reward for Luja than a penalty.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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joined Oct 2020
#143 ·
stormybadger8 said:Checking out the Sprint from Lewis Hamilton's onboard, and man, I spotted something pretty wild right at the start...

Lewis is basically playing snail during the formation lap—this shot is actually kind of hilarious...
image

He pulls into his spot on the grid, and boom, the start kicks off within three seconds...
Honestly, it’s no wonder four cars got wiped out before the first turn, and he nearly rear-ended Lance Stroll during braking...
Is this even legal? 🤔 He practically barely stopped on his grid slot before he was already rolling...
Everyone else was busy warming up their tires, especially the guys at the front, while he just barely tapped the brakes long enough to look like he was actually stationary instead of already moving...😁

Who was the one whining the other day about drivers taking too long to get in position after the formation lap?

Hypocrite.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#143 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:The only thing that really bugs me about this whole mess is how people are trying to justify Max’s wild driving just because he was fighting a faster car from a direct title rival.

Look, if that car is so much faster that you can't defend yourself without putting everyone at risk... then you just have to let them pass. Period. You don't get a free pass to drive like a maniac just because your car is slow.

Lewis overtaking Norris right at the end of the sprint was a perfect example of late braking where the driver actually keeps the car on the track.
But Max? Yesterday, he braked late on purpose just so his line would go wide off the track—basically saying "whatever happens, happens." He knew exactly what he was doing, braking late while knowing Lewis was right there on his right side.

So, in my book, there's absolutely no excuse for both of them ending up off the track.

It isn't right, and it never has been. Yet, it seems this becomes the standard procedure whenever the defending driver manages to claim the inside line. I don't recall seeing Lewis penalized when he pulled a similar move on Rosberg during that opening corner at the start:

We all know that Max doesn't pull any punches, but this attempt to paint Hamilton as some sort of saint is nothing short of hilarious.
Kate Brooks3 Kate Brooks3 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2021
#144 ·
There he goes!
Max got slapped with a $50,000 fine just for messing with the wing

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...ijEcHBGiajXBs4
Elizabeth Adams Elizabeth Adams Member
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joined Apr 2011
#144 ·
ruggedmaker99 said:Look, whether you love him or (more often😁) not
, it would be a stretch to say that the "gangsta" Lewis isn't an incredibly fast Formula 1 driver.
You’d have to be a complete moron to even attempt that argument.
Some drivers might be more likable than others, but I don't root for anyone from this current crop of talent;
ever since Jacques Villeneuve retired... it’s been easy. I truly believe I’m impartial.
Even back then, I couldn't bring myself to spout that "Schumacher has no clue" nonsense that one friend of mine kept blaring about.
A man has to show respect where respect is due.
Now, if we’re talking about the personalities of both Schumacher and Lewis...
well, many legends are built that way.
It’s just part of the game—think Vettel, Alonso... or how Senna was in his prime?
He’d act like a total diva the second someone didn't give him the racing line. 🤦😁

Bravo, finally someone using their brain.
Douglas Roberts49 Douglas Roberts49 Active Member
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#144 ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAo...annel=FORMULA1

There was something different about him when he was behind the wheel at Ferrari... honestly—isn't it better to crash out spectacularly than to just settle for mediocrity?
coastalwolf6 coastalwolf6 Member
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#145 ·
gentlecobra23 said:The only decent, moral call NASCAR could make here would be to disqualify Verstappen and slap Mercedes-Benz with a $10,000 fine. If anything else happens... I'll be genuinely shocked...

Milsim, it seems everything is heading in the opposite direction... 😁
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#145 ·
graniteharbor502 said:There actually isn't a specific rule stating exactly how many seconds must elapse between the first and last cars arriving on the grid. There is only one regulation, though it is subject to very broad interpretation. It states:
During the formation lap practice starts are forbidden and the formation must be kept as tight as possible.

It’s total nonsense, especially since there's already that rule about maintaining distance from the SC during a Safety Car period...
And let's not even get started on those nightmare Pirelli tires.

But everyone does it. It's not just the guys at Haas; it's basically anyone who ends up taking engine penalties and trying to make up ground.
So yeah, Lewis Hamilton definitely isn't an outlier here, but it's pretty stupid that they let this slide...
I'd love to see who actually gets slapped with the first penalty for this.

It’s ridiculous. The FIA will drop a $50,000 fine on you for bumping a car or hit you with a $5,000 penalty for releasing a car from the pits without the wheels being tightened, yet when it comes to something like this—which is clearly gaining an advantage over everyone else on the grid—they suddenly go silent. 🙂
James Collins James Collins Member
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#145 ·
Just imagine if they actually handed Hamilton the win for that absolute disaster in Spa when they tossed two cars out near the Ardennes forest and just coldly handed him 12.5 points...
If they’d given him a five-second penalty for yesterday's circus instead and added that Belgium win on top, he'd be 8 points closer to catching up than he is now. People would be singing his praises everywhere. But yeah, I guess the FIA loves calling a Safety Car whenever they feel like giving Lewis a fighting chance...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#146 ·
What a massive ass 🤣
Middle finger in the rear, yet we’re looking at a number like this 😬
Damn, this is basically just a standard handshake 🤣
ruggedmaker99 ruggedmaker99 Member
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#146 ·
Elizabeth Adams said:Bravo, finally someone using their brain.

I'm not entirely convinced 😁
but, sure, Lewis is fast, and wouldn't it be brilliant if everyone was driving identical cars?
Then we'd actually figure out who possesses true speed.
But of course, that's never going to happen; this isn't Indy or NASCAR. 🙄
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#146 ·
Douglas Roberts49 said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAo...annel=FORMULA1

There was something different about him when he was behind the wheel at Ferrari... honestly—isn't it better to crash out spectacularly than to just settle for mediocrity?

Look, he isn't the one to blame for any single situation against Ferrari. He definitely wasn't the reason they both got stuck in that absolute mess of a strategy sandwich.
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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#147 ·
Man, if he got hit with a penalty like that, his wife would probably lose her mind—it'd be way worse than just losing a wing...
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
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#147 ·
Toto Wolff is absolutely livid today.

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