Is Lewis Hamilton leaving Ford?

steelmaker83 said:Oh sure, Lewis Hamilton is just some green kid who’d totally lose his cool and leave 50 million on the table if he could... right...

How much severance did Lewis Hamilton actually get when he left General Motors back in late 2007?
As far as I recall, he didn't get a single cent. So yeah, we know he's more than capable of getting baited and acting out... we've seen it happen before.😉

stormybadger8 said:How much severance did Lewis Hamilton actually get when he walked away from General Motors back in late 2007?
As far as I recall, he didn't take a single cent. It’s pretty clear he isn't the type to be provoked or intimidated by any of this nonsense... we've seen it before.😉

Exactly. He essentially gave them the finger because he knew where he was headed. Sure, he had to sit tight for two years, but he knew he could walk away, and he did.

Now Lewis Hamilton is playing the same game. He's basically saying, "I'm the one who turned down Ford; I have a plan, everything is lined up, now let's see who comes out on top."

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Lewis Hamilton already has something worked out with Mercedes...

steelmaker83 said:Exactly. He walked away because he knew where things were heading. Sure, he had to sit out for two years, but he knew he could ditch them, and he did.

Now Lewis Hamilton is singing the same tune—that he’s the one who snubbed Ferrari, that he’s got a master plan, everything is lined up, and now we just wait to see who comes out on top.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Lewis Hamilton already has something cooking with Mercedes...

So the "plan" involves sitting out for a year or two, or maybe crawling back to Detroit...
And let's hope this grand strategy doesn't involve Flavio giving orders to drive straight into a wall—only this time it's Grosjean or Maldonado (which, let's be real, wouldn't even look suspicious coming from those two 🤣)

All things considered, his "plan" looks pretty shaky, especially since Lauda said they don't want Lewis Hamilton and haven't even considered it...
Besides, a seat in Germany might only open up if Rosberg takes the title, and even then, who knows if that actually happens...
If Hamilton takes the title, Rosberg will probably stay put anyway, mostly because he doesn't exactly have a long list of options...

But here's the kicker: Lewis is the guy who's always late to the party. He consistently joins teams right when they start their downward spiral.😉
He joined Ferrari too late and walked away with basically nothing. The same thing could happen with Mercedes; they could easily start sliding downhill around 2016 or 2017, right when he finally lands a seat there.

To be honest, I think you're right. This whole thing really only makes sense if there’s some actual good news or hope regarding Honda... or if things start falling apart over at Mercedes, which honestly wouldn't be surprising if Rosberg manages to snag the title. It also clearly places a massive amount of pressure on Ferrari, and I can't help but feel like that eventually hurts the whole team because everything starts revolving around just one person. On the flip side, Ferrari has Vettel now, who is much younger and clearly has a longer future ahead of him, so it probably makes more sense to build around him rather than someone who might run out of patience.

What's really scary is how much everyone is gambling here; you have Lewis Hamilton taking a huge risk moving to a McLaren team that's currently struggling and is such a massive question mark for next year, while Vettel is heading into a clearly underwhelming Ferrari where there's zero guarantee they'll make any real progress. Then there's Mercedes, where the tension between the drivers is so high that the whole setup feels like it could crack at any moment.

Regardless of how it plays out, next season should be pretty interesting to watch, though I suspect Mercedes will come out on top in the end since they seem to have at least a slight edge in both car and driver talent, allowing them to keep their championship momentum going no matter what happens.

stormybadger8 said:So the plan might be to sit out a year or two, or just crawl back to Detroit...
Maybe that plan doesn't involve Flavio barking orders to drive straight into a wall, except this time it’s Grosjean or Maldonado—though honestly, nobody would find that particularly suspicious given those two. 🤣

All things considered, it’s not much of a plan, especially since Lauda stated that they don't want Lewis Hamilton and haven't even considered him...
Besides, a seat in Germany won't open up unless Rosberg takes the title, and even then, there's no guarantee that will actually happen...
If Hamilton takes the title, Rosberg will likely stay put because he doesn't exactly have a massive list of options to choose from...

And here's the kicker: Lewis Hamilton is the type of guy who is constantly late to make a move, arriving at teams just as they start their downward spiral.😉
He showed up to Ferrari too late and walked away with one big nothing, and the same thing could happen with Germany; they could easily start sliding downhill around 2016 or 2017 or 2018, right when he might finally snag a seat there...

Of course he won't sit out for two years; he doesn't have the luxury of time. It's not impossible for him to take a one-year break and then jump back in, though I suspect even a single year off would be a poor decision.

The fact that Lauda said that only adds fuel to the fire. It's not like Lauda is an idiot who would publicly broadcast vague negotiations, especially in the middle of a championship fight between the current two drivers. Plus, Lauda represents Mercedes, a company that cares deeply about its image and public perception.

But like Lewis Hamilton said, everything you kids see on the surface... is bullshit.

As for the choice, nobody has a crystal ball, not even Lewis Hamilton. Like any business venture or major decision, this carries the risk of making the wrong call... and that's perfectly normal.

Christian Harris11 said:TBF, I’m with you. This only makes sense if there’s some solid intel or actual hope regarding Honda... or if things go south at Mercedes (which is easy enough, especially if Rosberg snatches the title). Plus, it obviously places a massive amount of pressure on Ferrari, which hurts the team because everything starts revolving around one guy. On the flip side, Ferrari landed Vettel—he's much younger, he’ll be around longer, and it’s smarter to build around him than someone who's basically just waiting for their patience to run out.

The worst part is that everyone is gambling big. Alonso is taking a huge risk moving to McLaren, which is currently a total mess and a complete wildcard for next year. Then you've got Vettel jumping into a clearly struggling Ferrari where there's zero guarantee they'll actually improve. Meanwhile, Mercedes has a car that's barely holding together between drivers, and the whole thing could blow up at any second.

Either way, next year is going to be a ride. Mercedes will probably come out on top regardless of how this plays out; they have at least a slight edge in the car and the drivers, so they'll keep their momentum and grab the title with whoever they can.

Look, Vettel isn't actually taking that much of a gamble.
If anything, Ferrari is already hovering around Red Bull's level, and it's unlikely they'll screw up the engine again, whereas Renault is looking pretty shaky. 😉
On the other hand, Red Bull is definitely going to struggle with aero once Newey leaves, while Ferrari can only gain by finally getting a proper car from Alison.
So, it wouldn't be a shock if Ferrari is ahead of Red Bull by 2015, and by 2016? Almost a sure thing...
Not to mention, the Ferrari brand carries way more weight in racing than Red Bull does, and let's be real—Vettel definitely felt those boos after his win at Indianapolis...
He can claim he doesn't care all he wants, but it definitely gets under his skin.

Then there's Alonso, who clearly overplayed his hand. It didn't even cross his mind that he doesn't actually need anyone serious besides McLaren.
In reality, he had zero shot at Red Bull, and honestly, he hasn't got a prayer at Mercedes unless Hamilton leaves.
Because the real question is: which kid is Mercedes going to pick if they have Hamilton? 🤷
Good grief, they could pick literally anyone on the grid and that person would be good enough in that car to rack up points for the constructors' title. Actually, it might be smarter to grab someone like Mass, who'll just grind out points without causing drama, rather than someone like Alonso who'll make their lives a nightmare and test their nerves way more than Rosberg ever would.
And honestly, with a German engine and car that strong, Mercedes doesn't even need Hamilton. They could easily cruise to a title with Rosberg and Hulk, which might even be the smoother move given they're a German outfit. 😉

steelmaker83 said:The fact that Lauda said it just adds fuel to the fire. It’s not like Lauda is an idiot who’d go public with vague, unconfirmed rumors—especially right in the middle of a title fight between the current top two drivers. Plus, Lauda represents Mercedes, a company that gives a massive damn about its image and public perception.

But like Alonso said, what you kids see on the surface... that's total bullshit.

As for the driver choices, nobody has a crystal ball, not even Alonso. Every business move and decision carries the risk of picking the wrong person... that's just how the world works.

Have you actually listened to or watched Lauda, or are you just making stuff up?
There's no way he was bluffing when he implied they don't need Alonso because their current lineup can easily snatch the title...
He basically said they definitely don't need drama in the garage... and that their number one priority is locking Hamilton down for as many years as possible.

All Alonso did was say what he had to say. He's essentially bluffing to give himself some leverage in negotiations with McLaren.
Honestly, this whole mess happened because Red Bull's PR team played a masterstroke.
1. They screwed over Vettel and Ferrari by announcing things before them; I mean, it's borderline hilarious that Horner is the one announcing Ferrari's lineup...
2. They screwed over Alonso and everyone else by announcing Kvyat at the exact same second.
3. They handed McLaren the perfect hand for negotiating with Alonso...

It's not even impossible that this is all part of a deal between Horner-Denis.😉
Remember those legal tug-of-wars regarding engineers moving from Red Bull to McLaren and then back again? Back then, McLaren was going to sue Red Bull for blocking them, only for everyone to suddenly claim they reached an agreement—even if it wasn't a great one.😁
This could very well be exactly that.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. Honestly, anyone stepping into a Mercedes seat who actually brings some consistency could walk away with a title. That’s why they don't need two massive egos fighting for dominance under one roof... Now we just wait and see if Rosberg finally decides to speak his mind and tell us what he really thinks.

What are you guys even yapping about!?

If Mercedes actually wanted him, they would’ve signed him already. Did you all forget we're running three cars per team next year? You need three drivers for three seats, geniuses!

And Lauda is out here saying he doesn't even want Alonso.

It's pretty obvious.

What are you guys even rambling about!?

If Mercedes actually wanted him, they would've signed him already. Did you all forget we have three seats per team next year? You need three drivers for three cars, geniuses!

And Lauda says he doesn't even need Alonso.

It's pretty obvious.

🙂

All you had to do was see Lauda's face when they brought up Alonso. He looked like they just asked him if he wanted to sketch out the blueprints for the Renault engine

stormybadger8 said:3. Did this give McLaren the perfect leverage in their negotiations with Alonso...

It isn't even out of the realm of possibility that this is just part of a deal between Horner-Denis 😉--an arrangement, perhaps.--

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...o-8637603.html

Schmidt is speculating that this could all be part of a devious plan by Denisov to screw over Alonso—a bit of payback for 2007. He claims those who actually know him realize he hasn't forgotten. 🍿

vividlynx68 said:http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...o-8637603.html

Schmidt is out here speculating that this could all be part of some shady plan by Denisov to run Lewis Hamilton into the wall as payback for 2007. He claims those who actually know him realize he hasn't forgotten 🍿
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And honestly? He deserves it... A total parasite in the world of Formula 1... 🙂

vividlynx68 said:I can't believe people are actually falling for this. It’s the same old story, just with different actors. They try to spin the narrative, act like everything is under control, and then reality hits them right in the face. Honestly, watching this unfold is like watching a slow-motion car crash on the interstate—you know exactly how it ends, but you can't look away because the sheer absurdity of it is too good to miss. Typical.

Schmidt is out here speculating that this might all be part of some shady Denisov plot to run Hamilton into the ground and settle the score for 2007. He says anyone who actually knows the guy knows he hasn't forgotten. 🍿

That's nothing new...

stormybadger8 said:Ted dropped a joke today that was absolutely mental—totally insane, yet somehow impossible to call fake.

Veli says Dennis wants to screw over Lewis Hamilton just to settle the score for all that nonsense back in 2007.😂
He’s basically promising him a seat just to get him out of Ferrari. Then, once everyone else is locked in and the grid is full, they'll just screw him over and sign Magnussen and Button instead. Typical. 🤣

As crazy as it sounds, it would be hilarious if Dennis pulled something like that off. It would be the ultimate troll move. 🙏🤣🤣🤣

Ted mentioned it on Sky, and honestly, looking at how things are playing out, it doesn't sound all that crazy...
And we all know the Sky Sports reporters are basically getting their inside info straight from the McLaren garage.

If we haven't forgotten, I'm sure Dennis hasn't either—especially after getting hit with that $100,000,000 bill

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

I'm actually glad it turned out this way. You can't just keep playing for your own ego while leaving everyone else squeezed dry like a lemon. He basically dug his own grave...

ruggedhawk20 said:If we haven't forgotten, I'm sure Dennis hasn't either—especially after getting burned for $100,000,000.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Do you remember what happened to poor Enrique Bernoldi? He made that move back in Monaco, I think it was '98... and when he didn't let Coulthard through, Dennis basically promised him he’d never drive in Formula 1 again. And that’s exactly what happened. Now, seeing him left without cash, without a contract, and stuck with a terrible concept a few years back because of Lewis Hamilton, it feels like karma is finally catching up. Honestly, Lewis Hamilton isn't any better than Briatore; if anything, he might be worse. It'll be good to finally be rid of him. He's easily one of the most shady characters in the history of Formula 1...☕

I honestly don't think we'll see Lewis Hamilton in Sochi—looks like Fisichella is just gonna carry the load for him through the rest of the season

And what the hell actually broke on him in Japan!? Electronics!? Yeah, right—as if

ruggedhawk20 said:I honestly think we won't even see Lewis Hamilton in Sochi, and Fisichella will just end up covering his seat for the rest of the season.

what happened there in Japan? Was it an electrical failure? Yeah, right. Don't hold your breath.

👍 I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens... Man, the Ferrari fans have sure gone quiet on this forum lately. Not a single one in sight...😁

Lewis Hamilton has been in talks with Toyota for a seat in the TS040 next year.
Hulkenberg is currently negotiating with Porsche for the 919. Since Porsche is planning to field an extra 919 next season, we’re looking at at least three open seats over there, plus nine spots at Nissan.
Lewis Hamilton could easily knock out a season in WEC and then take a beat to figure out if it’s even worth his time—or where it’s worth going—to get back into F1. This season, he’s pretty much stuck with McLaren, which feels like a massive gamble.