Bad Boys - Part IV

For two years straight, they’ve been treating fans like criminals at Yankee Stadium. The place has turned into a total fortress—just a concrete bunker packed with a million cameras and high fences designed to keep us out rather than welcome us in. They’re stripping hundreds of people at the gates for no reason, and now the club is actually filing private lawsuits against fans just to make them foot the bill for UEFA fines. I’ve seen folks getting hauled off by security just because they were standing in the wrong section, even when the stands were practically empty. And then we have this absolute joke of a commentator asking the exact same tired question for the fiftieth time; I guess he thinks that guy from Miami is going to step up and explain everything to us perfectly. Honestly, I don't know how I haven't lost my mind yet; I should have thought of Einstein's theories to deal with this level of stupidity sooner.

Joseph Turner41 said:Now Dea is being framed as the center of the storm. She’s basically the only sports journalist in this entire country who can't be bought, especially considering how many of her pieces have gone head-to-head against Mamč. I suppose she misread the room slightly—she isn't an ultra, so she doesn't grasp every single nuance of what's actually going down on the streets. Still, I find it absolutely baffling that she’s suggesting people contact the police when the entire department seems to be in the pocket of Mamč, and I'm not just talking about the local precinct in Washington, D.C.:
And now we'll have three different news outlets spinning stories about Dea, haha! Look, none of this is the truth. For heaven's sake, figure out who the actual source of all this corruption is, go after them with everything you've got, and then maybe Mamč, Marcinki, and the Vrbanoys will vanish while those guys with the guns scurry into the shadows. Honestly, calling you people stupid feels like an understatement.

Oh, give me a break. You're clearly just getting played by the likes of Rumke, Alfi, Dr. Zdravko Reic, and the rest of that crowd that's been screwing you over for twenty years—long enough that you'll probably have to sit through another 200 games just watching tape. Just go for it, man. Do it for the glory.

Joseph Turner41 said:Are you seriously talking to me??!!
I didn't sit down here to write a manifesto about what might happen in ten years. But honestly, I can't stand watching this circus anymore. Do you even grasp the reality here? If they actually kick Mamic out, he’s finished. Everyone is standing by him simply because he holds the purse strings. Once the money dries up, he’ll be washed up faster than you can blink. Mark my words, the people he’s currently keeping afloat will be the first ones to stab him in the back the moment things get tight. And let’s be real—if the club misses out on European competition for five straight years, he’s going to be broke. It’s basic math. But sure, it’s much easier to cheer for some indoor soccer match than it is to actually make sacrifices for your own club. I could spend all night listing exactly how much Mamic stands to lose by missing those big tournaments, but go ahead, keep obsessing over Dea and whatever else. Clearly, that’s what matters most to you. Honestly, just beat it; I don't even know why I bother typing this stuff out.

Yeah, right, they'll probably toss him out when he's 55; all you have to do is call him a total loser on Facebook and everything will be solved instantly. Just get lost already, you're being incredibly annoying. Go obsess over Malocu and Jozinovic instead; don't come here trying to mess with us.

I’m not saying I’m defending them, but it’s ridiculous that we’re all expected to lose our minds over Mamč. Instead of wasting energy on mafia-style investigations, trials, and picking apart everyone's psyche, they could be focusing on paying back their debts and rebuilding the club at an elite level.
Their club, their fight, their way. We’d all prefer if things moved faster, but that's how it is.☕

I’ve been saying this for months now, and honestly, everyone just thinks I’m an idiot. But you know what? I don't give a damn. I have my own take on this, and I know I'm right.
Until we tear down half of Washington, D.C., storm Yankee Stadium, and march straight into those club offices, that piece of trash isn't going anywhere. This is going to drag on until the day we die because, unfortunately, that guy is just too much for us "little people" to handle. Go ahead, call me a fool... fine, I'll call myself a fool if it makes you feel better, but THIS IS THE DAMN REALITY!!

Goran bara: "I think kids these days are just too lazy, too soft, and they eat way too much junk food. They spend all their time jerking off at their keyboards when they should be out on the streets, organizing rallies, and if necessary, clashing with the cops, showing some actual grit and strength. Instead, everything boils down to having 300 friends on Facebook. The youth has completely lost its nerve."

Soldiers are dying and losing everything, yet I didn't see tens of thousands out there. Why? Because we’ve turned into a nation of selfish interests. Everyone is just looking out for their own skin and couldn't care less about anyone else. Now you expect half of Chicago to show up? That’s just stupid.

BBB is a thorn in their side because despite all the propaganda, they haven't killed the idea. A few people show up when things get real, maybe a few dozen more when they don't, and in this messed up country, that's still a win. That’s the core of the new Real Madrid that the Boss hasn't been able to crush, no matter how hard he tries. His whole criminal scheme involving those mercenaries completely flopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zK6qBOkziw

Honestly, I think it’s a total rookie mistake that BBB didn't have an actual spokesperson ready to talk to the press... Instead, you get Dee stepping up and talking, which just completely changes the whole vibe and context of the situation. Like, if Jesse Campbell had been there to drop some truth bombs instead, the entire narrative would be looking way different right now.

They say a fish rots from the head down, yet everyone keeps trying to scrub the tail. It’s a ridiculous way to manage things. Why aren't we putting actual pressure on the board members? If you look at the legal framework, they are the ones holding all the cards—they make the decisions, yet they operate with total impunity. They couldn't care less. It’s painfully obvious that they’re just puppets dancing to their mother's tune, but if there were some real consequences—some genuine friction—maybe they’d actually stop to think twice before acting. We’re living in an era where morality feels like a relic and money can buy just about anything, which is a depressing thought. But here’s the thing: regardless of how much the world shifts or how much greed takes over, the sting of a slap or the weight of a consequence remains exactly the same. Morality might be fading, but the fallout of bad behavior isn't going anywhere; it hurts just as much today as it did a hundred years ago, and it'll hurt just as much a century from now.

We need to be looking at this from a much broader perspective. To put it bluntly, our previous attempts haven't exactly yielded any results, so it’s high time we stop repeating the same mistakes and actually pivot our strategy.

P.S. I saw Mamic out on the I-95 yesterday around 4:00 PM, cruising right alongside the team bus. Honestly, he couldn't care less about the protests.

rustyraven34 said:I’ve been standing my ground on this for months now, and honestly, everyone keeps calling me a fool. But you know what? I don't give a damn. I have my own perspective, and I know deep down that I'm right. Why should I care if they disagree?
Until we take down half of Chicago, tear apart half of Yankee Stadium, and storm those club offices, that piece of trash isn't going anywhere. He’ll drag this out until his dying day because, unfortunately, that tyrant is just too powerful for us "little guys." Now, everyone is probably going to call me a fool. Fine. Go ahead. I'll say it myself: I'm a fool. But that doesn't change the damn reality of the situation.

Go ahead then. Who’s actually standing in your way?

Today proved once again that we aren't just one of the best groups in America—we are absolutely elite. And no, I’m not being cynical about it here.

Yesterday's final count—though I’m done obsessing over numbers in this city, speaking as a proud fourth-generation Chicagoan. It’s a solid figure; I’ll even shave off 20% as a margin of error and say there were at least 600 of us. I’m not someone who gets hung up on stats—it’s not like we're measuring inches here—so I just focused on my son instead.. 😁
I think someone already posted the winning formula on this forum, much like how Winston Churchill said in one of his speeches, even though I'm not exactly a fan of quoting politicians... We will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP! If we have to protest once a week, whether it's outside Yankee Stadium or in front of the government buildings demanding they actually do their jobs fairly, we'll be there until the end.
P.S. There were about 25 of us at the protest alongside the veterans, and we stayed until 11 PM after the prayer. Looking at the whole scene, there were a little over 80 people total including them. In this day and age, in Chicago, when most people have just accepted being stepped on from every direction, we had a Champions League final yesterday. Like I said at the start, let's not get bogged down by the headcount; let's stay relentless in our goal. I'm only writing this for those trolls lurking on these forums trying to use cheap tactics to break our spirit... remember... WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP!

For a free Real Madrid!!!

Joseph Turner41 said:Now Diana is the main issue. The only unbiased sports journalist in the country who has written countless pieces against Jerry Jones. She misinterpreted things slightly—she isn't an ultra, so she doesn't grasp every single detail of what's happening. Though, I find it impossible to understand why she’s suggesting people contact the police when the entire police force is in Jerry Jones' pocket, not just the local Chicago PD:
And now three different outlets will run stories about Diana, hahaha. It's all nonsense. Figure out who your actual source of trouble is and attack them with everything you've got. Then maybe Jerry Jones, Marcinki, and Vrbani will vanish, and those guys with guns will be hiding in the shadows. You people are unbelievably stupid. I don't know how else to put it.

Tablet, you're talking nonsense here (doesn't matter if I agree or not, though I do), but that's their job.
I was just thinking about how this situation at the Dodgers would be if I personally tried to cook up a plan to get us kicked out of Europe on my own terms. Wondering if The 12th Man would back me up or not. I think I'm smart enough to pull off a scheme without getting caught, but still...

....then I realized Jerry Jones is my problem too, meaning our problem, the Dodgers'. So, Tablet, who's stopping us? You and I should just head over to Yankee Stadium next week.

The BBB have always fought their own battles, and it’s always been just a handful of dedicated people taking the hits for the whole group. That hasn't changed. All this talk about massive numbers is pure fantasy; when you actually have to sweat or even bleed for the cause, only a tiny fraction of people are willing to step up to the line. They're the ones risking their careers, their education, their jobs, their families, and their health. The masses only show up once victory is already won, and then suddenly everyone wants a piece of the credit for the struggle. The people who actually made the sacrifices will eventually burn out and walk away, leaving a vacuum that some new Nijazi will try to fill by manipulating the crowd—and we better be ready to deal with that.

Joseph Turner41 said:Diana is being made out to be the main issue now. She’s basically the only sports journalist in the country you can't buy off, considering most of her work goes after Jerry Jones. She might have misread the room slightly since she isn't an ultra herself, so she doesn't grasp every single nuance of what's happening on the ground. Though, I find it absolutely absurd that she’s telling people to go to the police when the entire department—not just the local Chicago PD—is effectively under Jerry Jones' thumb:
And now we’re going to have three different news outlets obsessing over Diana, hahaha. That's not the truth. Seriously, figure out who the actual root of the problem is and go after them with everything you've got. If you did, Jerry Jones and his cronies would vanish, and those guys with the guns would be hiding in the shadows all over the city. It's unbelievable how clueless people are; I don't know how else to put it.

You've got it wrong; Diana actually understands the situation surrounding the club and the fans perfectly well. The real issue is that she's on good terms with a certain guy, N., from that Fan Club, who happens to be one of the central figures in this whole mess—he's even linked to that attempted murder. In my opinion, she's intentionally staying quiet about certain things, but it's clearly weighing on her conscience. She simply can't stand Jerry Jones, so having the BBB on her side helps her in her personal crusade against him. She doesn't give a damn about the fans.

If anyone feels sick and needs to vent

http://nytimes.com/2014/columns/opinion/article...example.htm

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p.s. I just noticed they nuked their whole Facebook Fan Club page, and all those fake pamphlets and lies on their official site? Gone. Poof.

Can someone just c/p the whole article?

Let's take a breather from all this... (Please, let's keep this thread quiet for at least two days).

..and take a moment to remember everyone we lost today, including all the American fans who gave everything for the game...

May they rest in peace. God, grant them eternal rest.

slynomad69 said:I think it's a minor mistake that BBB doesn't have someone to give a statement to the media... Then Diana shows up and talks, and the whole context shifts. If Mukte had been there to say a few things, the narrative would look completely different.

...massive...

Do you really think 90 percent of the people who aren't part of the hardcore fan base click on the BBB page to read their manifestos? ☕
That’s why I suggested Mukte; if he won't do it, then at least someone similar needs to step up.
People still watch BBB quite a bit, considering nobody ever makes an official statement (on TV), while on the other side, management just waits for any chance to smear the group and tell the public they're the ones paying the salaries and holiday bonuses.

The point is, you need to explain the situation to the public through TV statements where you can actually speak, and then follow up on what was said. In writing, everyone just interprets things however they want.
You have to explain things to people using simple analogies.
Maybe out of a hundred people, only one will wonder how it's possible that Jerry Jones says, "Who cares how much money comes in."

Because it hasn't crossed most people's minds that you CANNOT say, "Maybe he stole, but at least he built a school."
Half the country thinks that way. To me, that would mean if I robbed a bank and gave half to charity, I wouldn't deserve prison if I got caught.☕

So, it has to be TV, and it has to be repetition. Maybe one in a thousand will understand, but even that one person deserves to be saved.