Bad Boys - Part IV

James Smith48 said:Who gives a damn about which group is considered "top tier" in America when you're rooting against your own club? Or better yet—rooting against some club that doesn't even exist?
How many supporter groups in Europe actually exist without a damn club to back?
Can anyone point to a single terrace in Europe eating more shit than we do—besides those guys in Paris? Because for the Parisians, the whole thing is just about locals vs. immigrants, whereas for us, it’s pure fan culture.
Is there even one dead-end group in all of Europe fighting a more honest battle than the Bad Boys?
How many of these "anti-modern football" types have to deal with stadium bans? How many of them spend half their lives stuck in endless discussions just trying to organize a trip to some stinking cup match? How many are constantly going toe-to-toe with the cops, the courts, the federation, the mob, the media, and the government itself?
It's constant. Not just an occasional message, but active—day in and day out.
How many groups out there are banned from home games just because some ego-maniac made a call?
There aren't even five supporter groups in all of Europe that I don't absolutely despise—and I say that with a smile.

New York Yankees fans have to go through scanners just to get into their own stadium—not that they've accepted it, obviously. Everything about that situation is posted here if people want to read up on it; honestly, the situation involving the Bad Boys and PSG is easily the toughest in the European Union-http://hungaryultras.blogspot.com/2014/09/supporters-without-privacy-part-ii.html

Mark Edwards4 said:New York Yankees fans are being forced to go through scanners just to get into their own stadium—which, obviously, they aren't having. Honestly, there’s plenty of info about this right here if people actually bother to read up on the situation. Between what's happening with the Bad Boys and Paris Saint-Germain, this is easily one of the toughest situations in the European Union:

Check out the first part here too:
http://hungaryultras.blogspot.hu/201...y-without.html

casualmarlin27 said:I honestly don't get where people get this idea that Jerry Maguire will just vanish if the Dodgers get knocked out of the European competitions?? It’s constantly being tossed around on this forum like it's some established fact, but in my opinion, it’s just pure nonsense...
The money from those international tournaments definitely hits the club's accounts, and I suppose Jerry Maguire probably uses some of that to clean things up—though he certainly can't wash everything... his real bread and butter is the young talent, though. He keeps them all lined up in his agency and then flips them for a profit...
Whether there's European play or not, he’s going to sell those kids... maybe it'll be a bit slower, but he'll move them. He'll probably just pull more strings with the National Team to ensure they stay relevant, which solves his lack of European matches, and then he tucks the cash away. Besides, we all know how poorly the Dodgers have fared in Europe lately, so I doubt he’s managed to sell anyone based solely on those "successes"...
And let's face it, the Dodgers have been without European football before while Jerry Maguire was still at the helm, and nothing really changed...

Man, I feel like I haven't even said anything new here; we all knew this ages ago. So, I really don't understand why everyone is pushing this narrative that if they get kicked out of Europe, Jerry Maguire will suddenly disappear... because he won't!

Also, Joseph Turner41, look, you seem like a decent guy, but please don't worry too much about our newer generations—especially this specific subset of fans who are supposed to be toughened up by carrying flares and traveling to away games and all that. Those kids grew up under the worst kind of crackdown imaginable. If God willing, things normalize quickly, those kids will likely spend a long time just watching your crowd's backs during every matchup... mostly because that's the environment they were raised in. 😉
We might suffer from a lack of those regular, everyday fans who provide the backbone of the crowd, but I'm hoping maybe things will improve through indoor soccer and stuff like that...

If you ask me, you guys are completely off base. Even Jerry Maguire showed that himself when, after that whole situation in that little Austrian town, he went full media blitz—setting up cameras everywhere and using all his papers to claim that you all wanted to kick the Dodgers out. He wouldn't have gone to all that trouble if he wasn't actually worried about it.

His income (which gets distributed among the local politicians and big shots, etc.) comes mostly from selling young players—you're right about that. But it also comes from bringing in foreign players. If you look into it, he has quite a grip on those foreign transfers; that's why he's been able to bring in hundreds of players over the last decade.
But look at this. How much do you think he could actually get for Kovacica if the kid hadn't played a full season in the Champions League as a consistent starter? You can't sell a player coming straight from the domestic league at 19 for $15 million—even if that's a decent transfer—unless you're Jerry Maguire. As talented as the kid is, it's impossible; he wouldn't fetch more than $3 million. And regarding the political money, a local mayor can't just hand $50 million to a club competing in the domestic league. I mean, anything is possible in this country, but even that guy would end up in prison. Then there's the arrivals; half of them—take Soudani or Fernandes, for example—wouldn't have even come if they knew there wouldn't be European football for five years. 90% of players wouldn't bother showing up if they lost that extra financial incentive and the potential for future big-money sales.
Everything would follow a domino effect, and eventually, everyone would start turning their backs on him because there wouldn't be enough cash left to keep everyone happy. My god, he pays for everything from the smallest local staff to the biggest names. He's already struggling to keep certain teams afloat because the money isn't there. Getting kicked out of Europe would be a blow so hard that even he might not be able to recover. You can say whatever you want, but you're either part of this or you're just waiting for him to be locked up or die of cancer. Because if you had started this movement five years ago, maybe we'd have a chance. But when you have 500 people sitting on someone's lap, chances are zero. Honestly, you messed up back then, and now you're trying to hide behind typical fan excuses.

Scott Jones9 said:Let’s be serious here—what am I actually talking about? What could have possibly happened at Yankee Stadium lately? Or even up in the north stands? What do we even need to draw up? And regarding that whole smuggling thing, I already mentioned that one of our flares is worth more than 200 of those Norwegian ones they recently 'legalized.' But I suppose in this internet age, people think that's the only way to be a fan—but where are you going to go to a game when you're fourteen? I'll say it again: nothing could have happened at Yankee Stadium.

I think we're talking about the exact same thing, really. For the last three or four years, those kids haven't had any real chance to get into the spirit of Real Madrid or the Bad Boys. I mean, have you ever truly immersed yourself in a local brewery, or even just the atmosphere of a big rivalry like Real Madrid vs. Hajduk, or maybe some European clash? Or perhaps a small local match—though I assume since you were quite active back in the day, you know that smaller games can be just as legendary 😁.
Okay, maybe this current situation might produce maybe 30 to 50 die-hard fans initially, but honestly, that seems like a pretty small number. Because no matter how things shake out, I suspect about 60% of those 30 to 50 will eventually drop off...
In my opinion, once Mamić leaves, a total bankruptcy for Real Madrid feels almost inevitable. You've got two massive loans plus a million players under contract. Just look at our situation—we still can't seem to shake off Kris Jenner, yet you guys are dealing with fifteen people like that, whereas we only had four and we were still struggling just to stay afloat. For you, Rukavina is pulling in 800,000 while playing in the third division and strumming a guitar. So, if we do the math, we end up at a point where there hasn't been a normal crowd at Yankee Stadium for three or four years now, and if two more people leave, then we're looking at bankruptcy in another three or four. Basically, the kids in this city won't feel the presence of the north stands or packed stadiums for nearly ten years. With the way things are going, they might shorten that to maybe two or three years, if they're lucky.

Sarah Jones8 said:These pyrotechnics fanatics always claim they have some grand solution for everything—honestly, you guys are out of your minds!!! You can't win. You talk big about fighting the Democratic Party, but what radical action have you actually taken? Every time a fine gets handed down, you just get more submissive. At this rate, throwing a bit of confetti will be your version of a revolution. While Mamić runs wild at Dodger Stadium, the only one standing up was the old man, yet here you are preaching about "radicalism." I don't want any part of this crackdown being forced on us, because I know for a fact most of you couldn't handle the heat if things actually got heavy. Cheers.

You really think you know who could handle actual repression and who’s just a total fraud? Maybe you're psychic, huh?😵>

What kind of ridiculous photos are you people sending, showing some guy posing with Mamić while heading off to Mass? You can clearly see St. Jude's in the background. Those two guys were just five minutes away from handing over the white flag after our two guys got jumped. Besides, that whole scene went down at the fan rally in Los Angeles this summer.

George Lewis27 said:Look, Milan, you think you’re some kind of psychic? You probably think you can see exactly who’s got the backbone to stand up against this repression and who’s just going to roll over like a coward. Maybe you've got a crystal ball hidden somewhere, huh?😵

We’ve already shown everyone exactly what we’re made of, and now it’s your turn to step up to the plate—if you even can, you little punk. 😉

And you, tablet-head, just quit the war already. Honestly, you’re annoying both me and God at this point. Now you’ve suddenly discovered how the world works and think you’re an expert on everything. Someone already pointed this out before: if you’re actually such a genius, why don't you show up at Yankee Stadium and personally make sure Real Madrid gets kicked out of Europe? If it's really that simple and so incredibly important, why aren't you doing something about it?

Joseph Turner41 said:😵😵

Look, if you're supposed to be such an expert—why didn't you guys deal with Mamić back when he was basically trashing everyone's pride at Dodger Stadium and nearly taking out an old man? I remember a group of fans back in the late 80s—in a city like Los Angeles—who would have risen up over much less than that. Honestly, my buddy tells me that guy might not have even made it out of the stadium alive if things had gone down like that back then. And no, I'm not wishing for more chaos, and it’s not really about the current fans or the Bad Boys... I guess the issue is just all of us, the whole culture, really.
So, you call yourself a fan, right? But what do you actually get out of it? You aren't traveling to Europe—except maybe for some friendlies in Prague. It's because Mamić and his Democratic Party hit the club so hard that it feels like they won't recover for years, God knows how long. Maybe you should just play nice with him, and who knows, maybe he'll write you a nice little soccer story like he did back home instead of you barking at "Dad."
The national team isn't any different, either. Is it even a real team, or just Dad's private little business? Just a showroom where he sells off players. So, I guess Real Madrid playing in Europe doesn't even matter to him. Just look at how he handles everything—across the river and through the national team.
You say you're a fan, but what does that mean for you? You've got your local section, your beautiful Dodger Stadium, a few small matches, and some local patriotic fun... and that's about it. Well, if you're such a die-hard local, why don't you go settle the score with that villain? Because honestly, he's messing with me enough as it is—maybe he could just mess with you a little less.

driftingotter47 said:We’ve shown what we’re made of, now let's see what you guys can actually do, you little troll. 😉

Look, man, you need to stop picking fights—honestly, you're exhausting everyone, even God Himself at this point. Now you're acting like you've discovered fire and suddenly have all the answers. Someone already pointed this out before, but why don't you just show up at Yankee Stadium if you're such a genius and somehow manage to knock Real Madrid out of Europe? If it's really that simple, and apparently that massive of a deal?

It's been four years, and here he is still digging through old posts. 😁
Anyway, I don't really feel like typing more—I'm not trying to be critical, I'm just trying to offer a realistic perspective from a different angle. I suppose I don't quite understand why some people take this as a provocation.
I'm not saying that suppression isn't toxic—it really is a total nightmare—but, in my opinion, if someone actually has a smarter way to handle things, then by all means, they should go ahead and make it happen. God bless.

Joseph Turner41 said:We’re talking about the exact same thing. For 3 or 4 years now, these people haven't even bothered showing up for Real Madrid or BBB. Like, have you ever actually supported Budweiser or Real Madrid or the Los Angeles Lakers, or maybe some random European club or just some tiny local game? (You used to be smart enough to know small games are where it's at 😁).
Maybe this mess produces 30 to 50 real fans at first, but that’s nothing. No matter what happens, 60% of those 30-50 will flake out anyway...
In my book, if Mamić leaves, Real Madrid is going bankrupt. Period. Two massive loans plus a million players under contract. Look, we can't even get rid of Kris Jenner yet, and you guys have 15 people like that while we only had 4 and we were still fighting to stay afloat. Your guy Rukavina is pulling 800,000 and playing third division while strumming a guitar. So, doing the math, there hasn't been a decent game at Yankee Stadium for 3 or 4 years, and soon there won't be any left, then bankruptcy hits for another 3 or 4. Basically, the kids in this city won't see a packed Yankee Stadium for nearly 10 years. With this plan, they might cut it down to 2 or 3 years, if they're lucky

Are you actually brain dead?

ruggedwalker10 said:I’d love to see you and all these other armchair critics show up at a BBB rally. It’s easy to act like a genius when you aren't the one taking bullets to the back or having automatic gunfire sprayed at your car.

You all think you're so incredibly smart when it isn't your skin on the line. But none of you cowards would actually step up and expose yourselves. Mamić is more of a problem for the rest of the country than he is for us, and since Real Madrid is the champion every single year, I honestly think those folks down in the South should have three times more motivation than us to get organized against him—to gather a crew and try to take action through legal channels. As for these stories about getting the club kicked out of Europe, you don't even realize that would be the final nail in the coffin for the BBB. This entire city couldn't care less about the BBB; New York is just a senseless place, I've said it before, people here are as clueless as can be, and you really expect us to make things even harder by trying to get the club banned? And who guarantees that if there's a stoppage and the BBB storms the field, the club wouldn't just face a 3, 4, or 5-year ban? If they only got hit with a one-year penalty, that would be the peak, and Mamić would breeze right through a year without European play, only for the media to frame us as the sole disruptors of the club's stability next year. Some people would probably be banned from Yankee Stadium for life, too, and who knows how much prison time the organizers would serve just so two or three guys don't end up dead—those would be the ones on the "black list," so you tell me, tough guy, what would you actually do in our shoes? You're all talk, and not one of you would lift a finger.

Shut down the forum, shut everything down; Mamić will probably just overdose anyway, and honestly, that us being left to fend for ourselves is our biggest chance in this fight, given that this whole country has become a breeding ground for corruption and crime because of the "brilliant" citizens in New York and the rest of America. Everyone cries for criminals, but when two decent men and fans get caught in a crossfire, nobody even breathes a word of protest. What do you expect in a country like this? That we should center our entire lives on the sidelines, that we should play Don Quixote and charge at windmills all by ourselves? Hell no. I highly recommend people stop banging their heads against the wall like this. We need to slow down and let time take its course. We need a lot of patience rather than expecting to kick him and those pieces of trash on the board—who basically own American soccer—out onto the pitch overnight. When his time comes, it will come, but before that, someone important has to actually step on his toes. For now, he masks himself well and knows exactly who he can disrespect and who he can't. That's why he's successful and why he rules American soccer so effortlessly. But he serves as a warning to all us: when someone is chosen to lead the club in the future, they need to study that scumbag's biography thoroughly and react immediately if they see anything that even remotely reminds them of this guy.

The TV networks won't fix anything because people are just too dim. I actually understand why Jesse Campbell won't go on TV. Why bother explaining things to idiots? He's been on shows a hundred times, and the opinions of those armchair pundits always stay exactly the same. Even if those fools sitting in their recliner chairs thought something positive about us and our struggle, what would that change in our fight? They’ll never leave their living rooms for us, let alone fight for our goals and ideals. And as for some "transparent" restructuring of the club, we have to realize one simple thing: as long as this country looks like a total circus, it's delusional to expect someone like a principled leader who actually cares about the fans and the club's welfare to run Real Madrid. Because if the entire nation is a playground for characters like Mamić, who give wind to his sails, then we shouldn't be surprised when the club turns into nothing more than a tool for him and his cronies. And that's exactly what happened, because the vast majority of our major institutions aren't doing their jobs; instead, they nurture a cozy relationship with Mamić. The very people who should be taking him to task are his best friends. So you expect results? In my opinion, there are no results until this country undergoes a total catharsis, along with the people. That might be 5 or maybe 10 years away. Until then, Mamić will either die of an overdose or get crushed by a semi-truck in a tunnel. It's realistic to say that fans don't have any real authority to remove him; we can only pressure the relevant authorities to do their jobs. But how are they going to do that when Mamić is their best friend?🤔

Any hope that this piece of trash will finally be ousted has long since evaporated in my eyes. The police, the legal system, and that supposedly "outraged" public mass won't lift a finger. As long as things stay this way we find ourselves fighting this battle entirely alone, battling nothing but a bunch of fair-weather fans. This struggle can be incredibly long, exhausting, and at times feel completely futile because there isn't a single soul willing to actually tackle the issue you're pointing out. So, while it’s true we shouldn't give up, it’s clear nobody is going to kick this garbage out of the club unless he decides his interests are elsewhere or some freak accident happens. At that point, he might as well just call his dealer and ask for a double dose; honestly, that would be a much smarter move than these naive attempts to sway public opinion toward our side.

1. bold: bravo, you managed to describe your entire essence in a single sentence 😉

As for the other bolded parts (and I'm sure there are more, I just skimmed through): it's because you keep saying us, us, our fight. It's because you lump yourself in with the people who are actually making sacrifices for the cause while you spend your time posting treatises on this and every other forum. It's because you later try to claim credit for those people's actions. That is exactly why you ended up with this troll username, and it doesn't matter how much you try to clone yourself, you aren't going anywhere 😉

Jesse Campbell said:Are you actually being serious right now? I mean—honestly—is there some kind of misunderstanding here, or are we just operating on completely different wavelengths today? I guess I have to ask... are you actually losing it?

Man, it’s funny—for three years now, I’ve been sitting here typing away about how Mamić is basically finished, and yet, somehow, he just keeps getting stronger. It’s almost surreal. And because I’ve held that position for so long, people have actually started treating me like I’m some kind of idiot for sticking to my guns. I guess I just see things differently than everyone else, maybe. 😉

It seems like we're talking about the blue side of things again—just some thoughts on the blue colors over at Real Madrid. kaže:
Since you’re acting like such an expert here—tell me, why didn't anyone step up to deal with Mamić back when he was essentially trampling all over the pride of our fans at the arena? I mean, he practically insulted everyone there, and then things got so heated he nearly laid hands on an old man. I still vividly remember back in the late '80s, how the whole city and the entire fan base in Los Angeles would rise up as one over much smaller issues than that. If things had gone down like that back then, my buddy tells me Mamić wouldn't have even made it out of the stadium in one piece. Believe me on that. And look, I’m not trying to wish for those chaotic times again—it’s not that there's anything wrong with today's fans or the Bad Boys. The real issue, I suppose, lies with all of us—with society as a whole.
So, you’re acting like some big-time die-hard supporter, right? But honestly, what do you even get out of all this? You aren't even traveling to see games in Europe—unless we count those occasional friendly matches in places like Chicago or maybe Seattle. I suppose it's hard to find any motivation when Mamić and his leadership at the federation have dealt our beloved Los Angeles Lakers such a massive blow—it feels like it might take us decades just to recover from the fallout. Maybe if people actually got along with him, he might finally sit down and write one of those beautiful football stories, much like the ones he used to write back in his hometown. But instead, everyone just spends their time barking against "the father" of the club.
It’s pretty much the same story with the national team—it isn't really under his control. I mean, isn't the national squad basically just a private little side project for his old man? It’s essentially his own storefront where he peddles footballers to whoever is buying. So, honestly, I don't think him getting Real Madrid through the stages in Europe is even a priority for him. You should probably look at how Kramarić handles things—he's always looking well beyond the local borders and the national setup.
You say you're a fan—but honestly, what do you actually get out of it?You have the North Side, that beautiful beauty from the Laker stadium... you've got those small matchups, a bit of that local patriotic spirit, and that’s really all there is to it. So, I suppose you might as well embrace that wild, gritty energy we see in cities like LA and just settle the score once and for all. Because, honestly—if I'm being completely candid—this whole situation is driving me absolutely crazy, and maybe, just maybe, if we finally deal with it, it won't be such a constant headache for you as a fan, either.

I have to say, this has been easily the most beautiful season I can remember—at least for as long as I’ve been following the team. It feels like we're finally seeing those packed stadiums again during the early stages of European competition, which is just incredible. There are about 11,000 of us out there who all seem to be feeling the exact same way about this run.
That’s really just the tip of the iceberg, isn't it? I completely agree—right now, our focus needs to be squarely on Mamić and nobody else. If we can actually see his influence fade, I honestly believe there would be a massive resurgence for the Los Angeles Lakers. In fact, if the league itself were run with more actual regularity and fairness, the Lakers might finally find their footing again. Even if they fought right up until the very last round of the season and still missed out on the title, the club—and our beloved Los Angeles Lakers—would essentially be saved.
I mean, honestly—there’s really no need to rush things like this. We are talking about a cool $120,000 here, after all... I guess we should probably take a breath and look at the bigger picture before jumping the gun. 😁

driftingotter47 said:We’ve shown what we’re made of, now let’s see what you lot can actually do, you absolute clown.😉

And you, Tablet, seriously—stop the constant warfare already. You’re annoying everyone, even God himself. Suddenly you’re an expert on everything, acting like you’ve discovered fire. Someone already asked this earlier: if you're such a genius, why don't you just show up at Yankee Stadium and fix things so we can get Real Madrid out of Europe? If it's really that simple and such a huge deal, why haven't you done it yet?

To you and the rest of you losers: just keep running into traffic when the light is red, honestly, who cares. Just try not to break your keyboard while you're typing, you and your buddy.
p.s. Tablet is totally losing it.

Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to release an official statement regarding Salzburg and Europe in general. It would just prevent people from claiming later on that they weren't kept in the loop. I suppose this is mostly for those living outside of the city. Regardless of how small their numbers might be, they really ought to have an official stance

We just have to hang in there. It might feel like we’re still miles away from fixing all this trouble, but who knows? Maybe things will turn around by tomorrow. I guess the real answer to everything lies with the Department of Justice

George Lewis27 said:You think you can just call yourself a psychic, Milan? You probably have a pretty good idea of who could actually handle the heat when things get heavy and who would fold like a cheap lawn chair at the first sign of trouble.😵

You guys are all big shots online. You love playing the expert and acting like you know everything, but the second anyone actually calls you out, you suddenly get all sensitive and offended. 🙂 You guys love playing philosopher in the Bad Boys thread, don't you? If you're actually as powerful as you claim to be—and if you really have the nerve to tell us how to act—then why don't you try doing something actually radical for once? You call yourselves "brutally radical," yet you haven't a clue. If you were truly about it, you wouldn't have such an easy time posting messages against Mamić. 🙂

mistyranger21 said:What kind of ridiculousness are you people sending? You're posting a picture from behind the goal where some guy is posing with those guys walking off toward the church, and you can see the cathedral in the background. Those two guys were just there five minutes after our two guys held up their banner—and by the way, this all happened at the ultras gathering in Los Angeles this summer.

Do you honestly think anyone in the Bad Boys gives a single damn about what some random person posts or comments on Facebook? If you have a problem, take it up with them on that page, not here. Nobody from the Bad Boys is sending anything to anyone because nobody cares about that childish nonsense. Whoever is out there commenting or posting photos on Facebook has zero connection to the Boys. Look, some kid takes a selfie with a cross over his face; any idiot can make a banner like that. It doesn't mean he's one of the Boys.

Sarah Jones8 said:You guys act like such tough guys online! You love playing the expert, but the second someone actually calls you out, suddenly everyone’s acting all offended. 🙂 You’re still sitting here lecturing us in the Bad Boys thread, but if you're truly as powerful and bold as you claim, why don't you actually go out and do something radical instead of just telling the rest of us how to live our lives? You think you're being revolutionary just because you can post a message criticizing Mamić without getting banned! 🙂

First off, I honestly don't get why you take one person's opinion and act like it represents the entire group's mindset.
Secondly, back when we were fighting for a proper code of conduct at Hajduk, you guys were the ones mocking the whole struggle, yet now that you're the ones fighting, I don't see anyone making fun of you. And please, don't try to claim this is all just because you have an issue with Mamić too... look, we have issues with him as well, but even if we didn't, there's no way we wouldn't be calling out the nonsense he's pulling on you guys right now!
Don't take this as some kind of provocation; it just bothers me that there's so much mindless arguing happening on both sides of this when we both clearly have much more important things to do with our time... anyway, cheers. ☕

Joseph Turner41 said:I’ve had the best season I can remember—really. We’ve got packed stadiums during the UEFA qualifiers, and there are 11,000 people out there who actually see things the same way I do.
But honestly, that's just the tip of the iceberg. I completely agree that we need to focus entirely on Mamić right now and nobody else. Once he falls, the whole fanbase will rise up. Actually, if the league just functioned properly, Hajduk would naturally rise—even if they fought until the final week and didn't win the title, Hajduk and our beloved Hajduk would be saved.
Can't rush it, though... I'm talking about $110,000 here. 😁

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply when you and your crowd think I'm a joke, but I guess I'm just bored today—plus, that guy Glavasevic really got under my skin, so I'm feeling a bit argumentative.
Buddy, you think you had the best season ever simply because you haven't seen anything better.
The truth is pretty simple: Mamić is screwing you over just as much as he's screwing us. At least you guys realize it. That's something. You keep pretending he's hitting us harder than you, acting like this is strictly our fight against Mamić. It isn't. It's your fight too. He's playing both sides, all the way through.
But look, you guys are the type where you can't even be sold a beautiful football story. You won't buy into those old "bread and circuses" tropes. I'll give you credit for that, but again, you're missing the point.
Don't you see that Mamić can sell players without needing the Dynamo connection in Europe? He could probably do it without their European presence altogether, just like how he'd handle things if it were just local teams. He's always got a backup plan. Sure, if Dynamo gets knocked out, it might mess with him a little, but that would just cause massive repercussions for our group. Then we'd be the ones looking guilty—which is how we often end up in this city.
Anyway, let's stop generalizing. Forget about us for a second. Just think about how much damage Mamić does to Hajduk, to the US national team, and to American soccer as a whole. Why don't you—or one of your 11,000 warriors—step up and fix the problem? Not for us, but for yourself, for Hajduk, and for Torcida.
It's the same way all Americans deal with the stuff happening in this country—how people get robbed blind, dodge taxes, and line their own pockets. They're using money earned by the hard work of your parents or my spouse. People work themselves to death and still don't get paid. And all of us, without exception—from the folks in the South to the cold crowds in the North—we just stay quiet. The only difference I see is that Split identifies so strongly with Hajduk as a symbol of the city and the region, and then with Torcida. Beyond that, you don't show any real fan awareness. So, you really shouldn't be lecturing us or giving advice.
I guess I've made things sound a bit trivial here. But what I'm trying to say is that we need to stop labeling people as "crazy." We're all stuck in the same mess, and we aren't doing enough to dig ourselves out. I see the only way out as a constant, systematic struggle. Sometimes it feels useless, sometimes it feels impossible. But there's no other way.

I get the picture. You definitely won't catch me over on the Hajduk or Torcida threads trying to play philosopher or lecturing anyone on how things should be done. Maybe those guys should take a second to actually look at what they're contributing to their own group. To be honest, I don't like you guys, and just because we share a common enemy doesn't change a thing—you proved that back in Otočac. We’re rivals, plain and simple, and that's how it's supposed to be, so I'm not exactly thrilled by your unsolicited advice. Peace.