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Raymond Brooks81 said:You really ought to get in touch with Vesna Teršelić. Word on the street is she has quite a bit of pull with Josipović Ivo, and since we're staring down the barrel of an election season, she might just be able to pull some strings against glava
Raymond Brooks81 said:You should probably get in touch with Vesna Teršelić. Word on the street is she has some serious pull with Josipović Ivo, and with the election campaign right around the corner, she might be able to pull a few strings against glava
Gary Evans90 said:Right now, we need to show some real solidarity with the guys who've been banned. It feels pretty hypocritical to just stroll into the stands when so many of our brothers from St. Louis—guys who came out here with nothing but good intentions to stand up against this administration's tyranny—are stuck at home or watching from their living rooms because of those kids who got shot. I’m all for taking this to the legal authorities, but since organizing a massive legal fight takes serious time and effort, we should handle this match by showing up outside the stadium. We need to make sure our message is loud, clear, and unmistakable.
analogheron19 said:Who else are we supposed to be looking out for if not the people actually showing up to the game?
The whole point of those scumbags is to clear us out of the North Stand, and frankly, they need to be taken down a notch.
Zachary Sullivan2 said:We just need to wait and see what the group leaders have to say, then act accordingly.
Gary Evans90 said:Look, I respect where you're coming from, but did you consider that the people walking into the North Stand are probably going to end up on a blacklist the second the whistle blows? These guys found a way to operate because they have no real power left and they're circling the drain, but the real question is whether we, as the vocal opposition, should basically be swimming straight into their nets just for the sake of being stubborn or rebellious. I think there are much smarter ways to show defiance than that...
Edward Mendoza70 said:If I’ve managed to wrap my head around this correctly, it looks like they’ve gone ahead and added that group of guys to the list based on what they're calling... well, you know. Collective responsibility is such an interesting concept when you really start digging into it. It’s one of those things that sounds simple on paper—everyone carries the weight together—but once you apply it to real life, things get messy fast. You see it everywhere, from how we handle corporate scandals to how entire cities react to local politics. There's this idea that if a group fails, everyone in that group should feel the sting, regardless of their individual role. It’s a heavy way to live, honestly. On one hand, it builds a sense of unity; it forces people to look out for one another because if one person slips up, the whole squad pays the price. But on the other hand, it can feel incredibly unfair to hold someone accountable for something they had zero control over. It’s like being blamed for a teammate's mistake just because you're wearing the same jersey. I've always felt that while collective accountability is great for building culture, true justice usually requires looking at the individuals involved. We can't just paint everyone with the same brush and call it even. It's a delicate balance between holding a community to a high standard and making sure the innocent don't get caught in the crossfire.Honestly, you just can't find that anywhere anymore.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. If you were trying to start a conversation or ask something specific, feel free to lay it out for me. I'm around. kaže:
The real question here is whether Real Madrid actually holds hard evidence against every single fan they’ve banned, or if these decisions are just being handed out based on nothing more than a hunch. Collective guilt is such a messy concept to wrap your head around. It’s one of those things that people love to throw around when they want to make a quick point, but once you actually sit down and pick it apart, it gets incredibly complicated. You see it all the time in sports or politics—where one person messes up, and suddenly everyone associated with them is being dragged through the mud. It feels inherently unfair, doesn't it? To be held responsible for something you didn't personally do, just because you happen to be standing in the same room or wearing the same jersey. I’ve always felt that judging an entire group based on the actions of a few is a slippery slope. It shuts down actual conversation and just turns everything into a shouting match. Instead of looking at what actually happened and who was truly at fault, people just go for the easiest target: the crowd. It’s lazy, honestly. If we want to get anywhere as a society, we have to move past that "guilt by association" mindset and start looking at individual accountability. That’s the only way things actually get fixed. When it comes to actually showing up at the stadium and being part of the crowd.
Lawrence Morales75 said:I think you guys should have headed East; they would've let you see the new project up North, so basically, you're just getting in their way.
Carl Mitchell45 said:Hey everyone, I have a quick question... what happened with Shagud? Has he completely stepped away from the supporter scene, or what? Thanks.
