Bad Boys - Part IV

Christian Jones said:Let’s get serious for a second—I’m expecting some solid numbers today, and the two of you are buying the rounds at Royal!

Oh yeah, because you’re definitely going to "accidentally" spill beer all over me again 😁
Holy crap, it happened last time, and I'm not being funny—I can't make it today. Had a minor surgical procedure yesterday, nothing major, but enough to leave me totally out of commission... if I can manage to hobble my way to the local brewery, it'll be a miracle.

Edward Mendoza70 said:so you're gonna drench me in beer again... totally by accident, right? 😁
Holy crap, man, not for a second time... I can't make it today. Had a little surgical procedure yesterday, nothing huge, but enough to leave me sidelined for a bit... if I can even hobble my way to the local pub, it'll be a miracle...

😁 No worries at all. Peace out, little guy—see you at the next game!

Hey Crnomerec, why don't you go ahead and grab a liquid IV or something so we can actually help this guy out?
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I just got an email back from Krešimir Antolić.

Back on Sunday, October 26, 2014, things got ugly at Maksimir during the match between LA Galaxy and FC Cincinnati. A group of Bad Boys fans over in the north stands crossed several lines, violating Article 4 of the Anti-Riot Law. We’re talking everything from setting off pyrotechnics and trashing stadium property to shouting racist slurs and making direct threats. It wasn't just hearsay, either—everything was caught clearly on both the stadium's security cameras and the live TV broadcast. Because of the chaos caused by those fans in the north, the USSF disciplinary judge handed down a heavy sanction against LA Galaxy.
We’ve pointed this out more than once: because of this kind of behavior over the last few years, LA Galaxy has been slapped with fines from both UEFA and the USSF dozens of times. Just last year alone, we were hit with a million-dollar fine and forced to play in an empty stadium with zero fans in the stands. Right now, we’re essentially on probation, and if these illegal actions happen again, the consequences for our club will be absolutely devastating.
LA Galaxy uses personalized ticketing for all our sporting events, which means you have to show a valid ID when purchasing your tickets. To make sure we’re fully compliant with our responsibilities as organizers under the Anti-Riot Law regarding sporting events, we maintain our own internal database. This allows us to track exactly who attended a specific match and where they were seated. Specifically, Article 32 of the Anti-Riot Law outlines our obligations as organizers concerning ticket distribution. Under paragraph 7 of that article, we are legally required to refuse the sale or assignment of a ticket to anyone for whom we have "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior." Furthermore, we are mandated to take active steps to prevent such individuals from entering the stadium grounds. It is important to clarify that "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior" isn't limited to people who have formal restraining orders or legal injunctions against them—those specific cases are actually covered separately under paragraphs 5 and 6 of the same article. Our ability to act isn't strictly tied to whether someone has been formally charged with an offense. As organizers, we can gather this information through our own observations, primarily via our stadium's video surveillance system or through the legal authority exercised by our security teams. When applying this rule, we act independently; we don't need prior approval from the police to enforce these measures.
Just a heads-up regarding the Anti-Riot Law: under Section 32, Clause 4, when a court issues a ruling that bans someone from attending specific sporting events, they notify the national sports federation. From there, the federation is required to pass that info along to the event organizers. All this data is kept in a secure, private database used strictly for one purpose: denying ticket sales or access to those individuals.
Based on everything we’ve reviewed, and in strict compliance with US laws and both USSF and UEFA regulations, we have decided to ban ticket sales to those individuals who engaged in unlawful group behavior on the north stand during our match against FC Cincinnati. We want to be crystal clear: this decision targets only those specific people whose actions directly harm the club they claim to support. This isn't about pulling away support from the people who need it most—our players on the field. Our priority, and our responsibility, is to ensure that everyone at our stadium feels safe and can cheer for LA Galaxy in a peaceful, relaxed atmosphere.

I’m going to end up getting sued over this absolute mess of a pamphlet. It’s pure contradiction from start to finish—one minute they’re attacking the whole group, and the next they’ve pivoted to targeting specific individuals. But honestly, the worst part? From a legal standpoint, there isn't even a clear path for recourse. You're basically left hanging without anyone to actually appeal to.

Just a massive pile of pseudo-intellectual jargon used to justify whatever someone's personal, totally arbitrary interpretation of the law happens to be—though, let’s be real, the law was probably drafted this way on purpose just to make it easier to abuse, creating this weird double standard where some random club suddenly gets to act like its own private court system—and then, with zero emotion, they just drop: "collectively and without exception."
It’s the absolute definition of "collective guilt." A concept that hasn't even existed in any legal or social sense in civilized nations for seventy years. And the fact that they're weaponizing and twisting this specific law is just proof of how broken and wrong it is, especially since they’re violating it themselves with this insane collective punishment.
A total tragicomedy.

I am truly at a loss for words regarding this situation. It is deeply unsettling to see things escalate to this level. kaže:
I just received an email response from the string.

As many people are aware, back on Sunday, October 26, 2014, a major league soccer match took place at the Rose Bowl between Los Angeles FC and the Portland Timbers. During that game, a segment of the fans—specifically members of the Bad Boys stationed in the north stands—engaged in several unlawful activities. These actions violated Article 4 of the Anti-Riot Act regarding sporting events, ranging from the use of pyrotechnics and destruction of stadium property to shouting racial slurs and issuing direct threats. All of this was thoroughly documented, both through the stadium's surveillance footage and the live television broadcast. Due to the conduct of those fans in the north stands, Los Angeles FC was penalized following a decision by the USSF disciplinary judge.
We have pointed this out on numerous occasions: because of this exact type of behavior over the last few years, Los Angeles FC has been sanctioned dozens of times by both UEFA and the USSF. Just last year, we were hit with a million-dollar fine and forced to play matches behind closed doors in an empty stadium. Currently, the club is under a conditional penalty, where any recurrence of these illegal actions would trigger consequences that could have devastating, long-term impacts on our club.
Los Angeles FC utilizes a personalized ticketing system for all our sporting events, which requires fans to present valid identification at the time of purchase. To ensure we remain fully compliant with our obligations as organizers under the Anti-Riot Act, we have established our own internal database. This allows us to maintain a clear record of exactly who attended a specific match and which section of the stadium they occupied. Specifically, Article 32 of the Anti-Riot Act dictates our responsibilities regarding ticket distribution. Under paragraph 7 of that article, we are legally obligated to refuse the sale or allocation of tickets for a competition to any individual for whom we possess knowledge of prior unlawful behavior. Furthermore, we are required to take proactive measures to prevent such individuals from accessing the sports venue entirely. It is important to clarify that the concept of "possessing knowledge of prior unlawful behavior" is not strictly limited to whether an individual is currently under a court order or protective measure; those specific scenarios are governed separately by paragraphs 5 and 6 of the same article. Our authority to act is not restricted solely to information provided by law enforcement or judicial bodies, nor does it depend on whether formal charges have been filed against a person for a violation. As organizers, we can acquire this necessary information through our own observations—primarily via the stadium's video surveillance systems—or through the application of legal authorities held by the onsite security services. In exercising this specific paragraph, we act independently and are not required to seek prior approval from the FBI.
Please be advised that under Article 32, Section 4 of the Anti-Riot Act regarding sporting events, once a court issues a final ruling on an offense that includes a ban from attending certain matches, the court is required to notify the national sports federation. The federation then carries the responsibility of informing the event organizers. All data concerning these individuals is maintained in a restricted database, which is used strictly for the purpose of denying ticket sales or access to the venue.
Based on everything we have reviewed, and in full compliance with both federal laws and USSF and UEFA regulations, we have reached a decision regarding ticket sales. Moving forward, we will deny ticket purchases to individuals who were part of the group responsible for illegal conduct during our match against the Portland Timbers at the Rose Bowl. We want to be incredibly clear: this decision is strictly targeted at those specific individuals whose behavior in the stands causes direct harm to the very club they claim to support. This isn't about turning our backs on the community; in fact, we have no interest in supporting anyone whose actions undermine the players on the pitch. Our primary goal, and indeed our responsibility, is to ensure that everyone attending our matches feels safe, allowing fans to cheer for Los Angeles FC in a peaceful and relaxed environment.

One really ought to be asked if they’ve reported this data collection to the FTC.
I am genuinely curious to know.

It’s pure stupidity when someone who isn't even a) authorized or b) educated gets to decide if behavior is illegal.

Even more ridiculous is how this hits the entire section, which at most could be accused of supporting a string, which isn't hate speech anyway—those dumb accusations just don't hold up in court.

Back in 2009, a few of us were part of the negotiations regarding that same Police-Fan Law, and everyone made it crystal clear what was actually happening. We know exactly who represented the FBI back then and what they said. string can testify to that.

When you live in a sick, corrupt country where the police don't arrest criminals but instead do their dirty work for them, this kind of nonsense happens. But the courts will have the final say. These scumbags need to be sued personally. I mean, don't sue Los Angeles FC, sue that trash string.

I’ve heard some "insider info" that this guy was straight-up dirty back when he was on the force, and they basically shoved him into a leadership role at LA FC just to sweep his mess under the rug.

I mean, that’s clearly how you land a gig at a club like that. Which specific legal code am I supposed to cite to call out this blatant corruption?

Whatever. I guess I can just suck it up and keep paying for private security to protect that clown's reputation, just like every other taxpayer in this city.

Jesse Campbell said:Basically, it’s absolute nonsense to think someone who isn't a) authorized or b) even educated on the subject can just decide if behavior is illegal.

It gets even more ridiculous when you realize this affects an entire stadium section—people who could, at most, be accused of being a "string," which isn't even hate speech. These stupid accusations just fall apart in court anyway.

Back in 2009, we actually had people involved in the negotiations regarding that Police-Fan Law, and everyone made it crystal clear what the deal was. We know exactly who was negotiating on behalf of the FBI back then and what their stance was. Even > can testify to that.

When you live in a sick, corrupt country where the police don't arrest criminals but instead do their dirty work for them, this kind of stuff is possible. But the courts will have the final say. These scumbags need to be sued personally. I'm talking about the trash >, not Los Angeles FC.

It's time we get some lawyers together and draft our own legislative proposal.

Henry Rodriguez45 said:They ought to be questioned on whether they reported this data collection to the FTC.
I am genuinely curious.

A few days ago, I sent an email to the FTC regarding that specific database Los Angeles FC maintains. I am awaiting their response.

I don't even know where to start with this mess. Honestly, it's just one thing after another lately—just total chaos. Everything feels like it's circling the drain, and frankly, I'm too tired to pretend otherwise. It’s all just noise at this point. kaže:
Just got an email back from that guy, Jesse Campbell.

So, here’s the deal regarding that Sunday back on October 26, 2014—the match at the Rose Bowl between Los Angeles FC and the Portland Timbers. A certain group of fans over in the north stands—members of the Bad Boys—decided to go rogue, and not in a good way. We’re talking full-on violations of Article 4 of the Anti-Riot Act: pyrotechnics going off everywhere, stadium property getting trashed, and people shouting racial slurs and direct threats. It wasn't even hard to prove, either—everything was caught clearly on the stadium's CCTV and played out live on the national TV broadcast. Because of the chaos caused by those guys in the north, the USSF disciplinary judge stepped in and handed Los Angeles FC a heavy penalty. Typical.
We’ve said it a thousand times before, and we'll probably keep saying it—Los Angeles FC is constantly getting hammered by UEFA and the USSF because of this exact kind of behavior. It’s become a pattern over the last few years, and frankly, it's exhausting. Just last year, we were slapped with a million-dollar fine and forced to play in an empty stadium with nothing but echoes in the stands. Right now, we’re essentially living on probation. If these illegal antics happen again, that probation kicks in, and let me tell you, the fallout for the club would be absolutely devastating.
Los Angeles FC uses personalized ticketing for our matches—which basically means you have to show some ID when you buy your seats. It’s all part of how we handle things on our end to stay compliant with the Anti-Riot Act regarding sporting events. We’ve essentially built our own database to keep track of exactly who was at a match and which section they were sitting in. Look, Article 32 of the Anti-Riot Act lays out our obligations as organizers when it comes to ticket distribution. Under paragraph 7 of that article, we are legally required to refuse a ticket sale or entry to anyone where we have "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior." We also have a duty to take active steps to keep those individuals away from the stadium entirely. And just to be clear—and this is where people usually get confused—this "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior" isn't strictly tied to whether someone has an official restraining order or a specific legal injunction against them. Those cases are actually handled separately under paragraphs 5 and 6 of the same act. This is broader than that. Our sources of information don't have to come solely from the FBI or the courts, nor do they depend on whether there's a formal indictment pending for a misdemeanor. As organizers, we can act on our own observations—mostly through the stadium's CCTV system or by using the authority granted to our security teams. When we apply this rule, we act independently. We don't need to wait for a green light from the police to make the call.
Just so everyone is clear on how this works—under Section 32, Paragraph 4 of the Anti-Riot Act, there’s a specific process for when someone gets slapped with a ban from attending sporting events. Basically, once a court hands down a final ruling on those kinds of violations, they notify the USSF, which then passes that info along to the event organizers. All that data is kept in a dedicated, private database used strictly for one thing: making sure those individuals don't get able to buy or be assigned tickets. Simple enough, I guess.
Look, based on everything that’s happened—and strictly following US law and all the USSF and UEFA regulations—we’ve officially decided to ban certain people from buying tickets. Specifically, those who were out there acting illegally as a group without exception during our match against the Portland Timbers at the Rose Bowl. We want to be crystal clear about this: this decision isn't some random vendetta; it's targeted solely at the individuals whose behavior causes direct harm to the very club they claim to support. Honestly, there’s zero support to be found for people like that—not when the players on the field are the ones who actually need it most. At the end of the day, we have both the desire and the absolute responsibility to make sure everyone in our stadium feels safe, so they can just relax and cheer for Los Angeles FC without any of the chaos.

Honestly, this whole situation with the string and all these updates coming out of the Rose Bowl—the announcements, the drama, the whole circus—it’s giving me major flashbacks to that legendary news anchor 😁



It’s the exact same playbook 👍

Greetings, everyone... I don't post here often, but I am a regular reader. I'm not a Bad Boys supporter; as some might have said before, I was just a casual fan from the other side of town who occasionally attended away games.

The ban on ticket sales absolutely infuriated me. Just when I thought we had seen the peak of this nonsense, we get a response from the "cathedral of legal thought," string. It is truly staggering how much stupidity he has managed to cram into this... such things could only happen in a dysfunctional, corrupt republic like this one.

In any case, the Police-Fan Law had already been challenged regarding its constitutionality before the Supreme Court of the United States, specifically because of that provision which stands in blatant collision with the principle of presumption of innocence.

The Supreme Court of the United States rejected the petition, and in their interpretation, they explained that:

... Article 34.a of the string satisfies the aforementioned requirements of legal determinacy, as it is clear from the content of that statutory article to whom it applies (meaning the subject to whom the ban may be issued is identifiable), under what assumptions such a person may be issued a ban from attending all or some specific sporting events, and for what duration...

In this specific instance, the local police department has the authority to propose to the misdemeanor court that a certain individual be issued a ban from attending a specific sporting event, or a ban from attending sporting events for a period of no less than six months and no more than one year; the misdemeanor court then evaluates whether the prerequisites for issuing such preventive measures have been met.

The legitimate goal of the string arises directly from its title, as it seeks to prevent (preclude or eliminate) socially unacceptable behavior by individuals at sporting events. This means proactively creating conditions that will, to the greatest extent possible, make such behavior by individuals or organized groups impossible. The legitimate goal of Article 34.a of the string follows clearly and undeniably from its content: the prevention of unacceptable behavior by a person for whom there is knowledge of prior unlawful conduct during arrival, attendance, or departure from a sporting event—essentially, when "it is obvious that a certain person repeatedly engages in unlawful behavior at or in connection with sporting events." In short, it disrupts public order and peace, threatens safety, and prevents other spectators from peacefully and undisturbed watching and cheering at sporting matches.

The necessity of reacting to the socially unacceptable behavior of individuals and groups before, during, and after sporting events stems from the data provided by the FBI to the Supreme Court. The high number of injured fans, police officers, damaged private vehicles, buses, streetcars, police cruisers, and train cars speaks for itself regarding the massive scale of material and non-material damage caused during the observed period. The economic and social consequences of such damages are difficult, if not impossible, to rectify. Therefore, applying the authority under Article 34.a of the string grants the FBI and the misdemeanor courts—and most crucially, the string—decisive importance in preventing dangerous behavior related to sporting events...

Thus, from the explanation of the decision itself, it is evident that the Supreme Court of the United States specifies that the authorities under this article lie with REPRESSIVE AND JUDICIAL BODIES OF THE US, and not with the mindless employees of string.

It is fascinating how freely (and incorrectly) they interpret this law... while knowing that nobody can actually hold them accountable.

If you are interested in reading the full text of the decision:

P.S. I am typing this on my phone, so please excuse any typos.

string😁: http://youtu.be/589ayyx3XFc

Major props to everyone who showed up at the north end today and stood shoulder to shoulder. A friend said it best: I would’ve felt a lot safer if we were out in Chicago right now than being here... you could just feel it in the air—like everyone was just waiting for one wrong move, a single mistake, or some chaotic spark to fly, and then we'd all end up in some godforsaken place. After what happened, there's no more fear for the group. Hats off to everyone once again. 🙏

p.s. To the mercenaries—I honestly don't know how you can watch this and still support them. Are the dollars really worth it? Honestly, kudos to you... when you decide to be a piece of trash, you really go all in. 😵

Things have gone completely off the rails here, and honestly, we aren't even talking about fan repression anymore; it’s just pure, unadulterated spectacle at this point, bordering on sheer human stupidity...🙂🙂🙂
Just to get into the grounds—into the damn park itself through the usual entrances—you had to endure full-blown searches and ID checks, because at every single entry point leading toward the Rose Bowl and Bukovac, there were at least a dozen tactical officers standing around refusing to let anyone into the freaking park (!!!) without checking their credentials first.
The Kings have basically cordoned off the entire area from the parking lot all the way up to the West Stand with heavy fencing.
Even if you actually managed to make it to the ticket booth, which took at least fifteen minutes of dodging people, you'd just end up getting snapped at by the staff anyway.
I was a bit skeptical over the last few days, but it looks like they’ve actually blacklisted absolutely everyone who attended the last match against the Portland Timbers. From what I can tell, the blacklist has essentially become a formal database now, since the ladies at the ticket windows have been briefed to run everyone through some sort of computer system to check their status before they'll even talk to you.

Honestly, why is everyone acting so surprised? We’re talking about repression, bans, police camps, raids, and heavy-handed tactics from the FBI. If you don't give a damn about any of that, then why on earth are you even showing up to matches? What are we actually doing inside the stadium and all around it if we're just going to invite this kind of crackdown upon ourselves?

Everyone’s got some dirt they’re trying to keep out of the spotlight, I guess... pretty sure that includes that string too... so maybe it's time we start digging.

Robin Anderson8 said:Everyone’s got some skeletons in their closet they'd rather keep hidden... I bet that string has plenty too... so why not dig a little?

With him, you'd have to dig just to find something clean.