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Bad Boys - Part IV

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neonraven112 neonraven112 Active Member
151 messages
joined Oct 2013
#1301 ·
Screw that guy, seriously—he’s got a whole crew of shady undercover types looking out for him and nobody says a word. You can try digging up dirt on him all you want, but it won't shake things up. We need to stop chasing his little errand boys who just follow orders—we gotta go straight for the top.
Gary Evans90 Gary Evans90 Active Member
88 messages
joined Jul 2014
#1302 ·
neonraven112 said:The leadership is failing us completely; they’ve got a network of corrupt players looking out for one another while everyone else just watches. You can try digging up dirt on the top guy all you want, but honestly, I doubt anything would actually shake his foundation.We really need to be looking at the man at the top instead of wasting our energy on the little minions who are just following orders.

The real issue here is that we need to focus our attention on the very institutions that allow this kind of inhumane behavior to happen by protecting the leaders and their subordinates.
gentleowl82 gentleowl82 Newcomer
2 messages
joined May 2020
#1303 ·
neonraven112 said:Screw that guy, honestly. Even with all those criminals working for him behind the scenes, nobody seems to care. You can try digging up dirt on him, but you won't find anything that actually shakes his foundation. We need to stop chasing his little errand boys and start targeting the man at the top instead.

I’m not trying to step on anyone's toes here, but in my opinion... you have to go after him and Barisic, and every single crooked thing they’re doing. You’ve got to weaken him from every angle possible. Unfortunately, he's still too powerful right now, even though if you watch his moves, it's obvious he's slipping. God, I hope he falls and stays down for good. P.S. Mad respect to the guys who managed to storm the stadium yesterday.
Thomas Williams59 Thomas Williams59 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jun 2005
#1304 ·
Jerry Alvarez7 said:I mean, if you actually bother to read the reasoning behind the ruling, it’s staring you right in the face—the Supreme Court of the United States is making it clear that the authority granted in that specific clause applies to REPRESSIVE AND JUDICIAL BODIES IN THE U.S., not to some random, clueless employees at string.

Look, everything was perfectly clear until recently, and this latest decision just hammers that home. I mean, what even are these "findings" anyway? How does a mere finding suddenly turn into a legal right or a formal sanction? Usually, it goes from the police department straight to a misdemeanor court, but anything else is just pure LEGAL CHAOS. That is, until a year or two ago when Los Angeles FC first started twisting Article 32, trying to interpret it however they damn well please.
They’re either misreading an already shaky clause, or they’re trying to pull off these impossible collective sanctions—which is enough to toss any decision made by some nameless, faceless nobody at Los Angeles FC out the window—or they’re claiming everything hinges on Article 32, which they’re the only ones crazy enough to interpret so crookedly. Honestly, the Supreme Court needs to just step in and fix this once and for all with a definitive ruling.
Either they start interpreting it correctly, or they just go ahead and rewrite or scrap the whole article entirely, because right now, it's being abused and creating nothing but total legal uncertainty.
Lisa Gray94 Lisa Gray94 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2010
#1305 ·
Gary Evans90 said:We need to stop wasting breath and start targeting the actual institutions that allow this guy and his little henchmen to indulge in such inhumane behavior.

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That clown is never going to bend the knee just because we’re protesting down by the West Stand; he isn't even a player in this anymore. At most, he's just an idiot we should ignore while we shift our focus back to what actually matters.

The institutions are straight-up ignoring us, so yeah, it’s high time we rethink our entire strategy. We need constant, unrelenting pressure on the relevant authorities. Nobody—and I mean nobody, especially not our politicians or the judges—likes having a loud, angry crowd making a scene right outside their front doors. Let's hit Times Square, the White House, Central Park, and then move through the streets... let's go in order. We demand statements, we apply the pressure, we put on a damn show. The cameras love a spectacle. 🎉
Patrick Sullivan84 Patrick Sullivan84 Member
44 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1306 ·
Edward Mendoza70 said:👍

The Clown isn't going to bend the knee just because we're protesting under the West Stand. He’s irrelevant to this part of the story. At most, we should just ignore him and focus our energy on what actually matters.

The institutions are basically giving us the cold shoulder, so it’s time to rethink the playbook. We need constant pressure on the relevant authorities. Nobody—especially our politicians or judges—likes noise right outside their front door. From Times Square to the White House, through Central Park and down to the local streets... let's go in order. Demand statements, apply pressure, make a scene. The cameras love a spectacle. 🎉

Exactly. Let's stay focused and enjoy some futsal while we fight the battle at Yankee Stadium through official channels.

1. Eric Adams is out, so why aren't we sending an open letter to the City without the mayor? What kind of city is this where one man can arbitrarily decide who gets access to a stadium that we all built and all pay for? It’s the same question for the club.

2. Why aren't we sending open letters to the Prime Minister, the President, and the Secretary of Homeland Security? We need to announce protests and demand urgent legislative changes to stop this circus. Surely some lawyer could draft three lines of text sufficient to end this nonsense, then we can demand the government adopt them and stand on the side of justice rather than with the mob.

It’s the 21st century. Chanting under the West Stand achieves nothing. If you aren't making noise where it counts, you might as well not exist. We need to turn our demands into actual legal amendments or formal proposals to get our club back. We need to hit US Congress and the City hard to make it happen. We should be asking them: how much longer are politicians going to hide in the shadows supporting a mobster who crushes both the fans and the people, turning a legendary club into a joke?

We need to hit them from every angle—above, below, and everywhere in between. Until then, we’ll just hang out at the futsal games, working toward getting an Ice Rink once we hit the first division, and throwing the best party in town while those pigs over at Yankee Stadium wallow in their own filth.
Lisa Gray94 Lisa Gray94 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2010
#1307 ·
And just as importantly, you have to realize that the Clown isn't flying solo—he’s got a devil's advocate breathing down his neck. The guy who actually designed this entire Dinamo business model, setting it up as a non-profit citizen's association while operating right on the razor's edge of legality? He's a genius at making sure every single piece of the puzzle fits perfectly into the loopholes of the law.
He needs a lawyer who is actually his intellectual equal, someone capable of going toe-to-toe with him in a courtroom. And unfortunately, it's on us to foot the bill.
Jonathan Gonzalez3 Jonathan Gonzalez3 Member
36 messages
joined Aug 2012
#1308 ·
Edward Mendoza70 said:Just as importantly, you have to realize the Clown has a devil's advocate backing him up. The guy who designed this whole setup—turning Dinamo into this weird little non-profit entity where they operate right on the edge of what's legal—it’s all about fitting those pieces together through every loophole they can find.
He needs a lawyer who can actually go toe-to-toe with him intellectually in court. And hey, it's on us to foot the bill.

Look, being a tree isn't exactly a legal disaster waiting to happen. It only looks that way because the institutions in this country basically hand them a map on how to dodge the law.

While we're dealing with the tree situation, Tate is going to be right there with them.
slyeagle512 slyeagle512 Member
46 messages
joined Oct 2011
#1309 ·
Jonathan Gonzalez3 said:Being a tree isn't actually such a legal mess. It just looks that way because the institutions let them dodge the rules.

While we've got the tree (below), we'll also have Tate.

I think he was aiming for someone else.

Besides, he’s not nearly as smart as the kids doing all the dirty work down there.
Thomas Williams59 Thomas Williams59 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Jun 2005
#1310 ·
slyeagle512 said:I reckon he was actually aiming for someone else entirely

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boldtrucker19 boldtrucker19 Member
10 messages
joined Oct 2014
#1311 ·
Jesse Campbell said:With him, you’d probably have to dig through a landfill just to find something that isn't filthy.

guki golube 😁 honestly, the keyboard can take the hits, but I truly believe nobody has anything on him.
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2013
#1312 ·
boldtrucker19 said:guki golube 😁 look, the keyboard's taking a beating here, but honestly? I bet nobody actually has anything on this.

Don't have the time to dig through all that right now. 😒
copperotter65 copperotter65 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Nov 2012
#1313 ·
http://www.nogometplus.net/blogovi/T...-u-Europi.aspx
Paul Castillo7 Paul Castillo7 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Oct 2014
#1314 ·
Finally heard back from the Department of Justice regarding those arrests.... Listen, folks,

In response to your inquiry concerning the arrest of a specific individual, we suggest you direct your questions to the local LAPD...

As for any official proceedings or decisions made by the Department of Justice, the public will be notified when the time is right.

Still waiting on anything from the LAPD or the Department of Homeland Security... nothing yet.
Carl Edwards3 Carl Edwards3 Member
25 messages
joined May 2014
#1315 ·
On Sunday: East or West?
slynomad69 slynomad69 Newcomer
1 message
joined Nov 2014
#1316 ·
seriously, give this guy a trophy already :P
Gary Evans90 Gary Evans90 Active Member
88 messages
joined Jul 2014
#1317 ·
slynomad69 said:nice job :P

The attorney certainly laid everything out clearly, but we can't just stop there. Has anyone actually considered filing a class-action lawsuit regarding the fact that fans are being blocked from entering the stadium?
Jerry Alvarez7 Jerry Alvarez7 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Mar 2013
#1318 ·
The index was a bit low, and it ended up misquoting my observations regarding the IRS's decision... I'll probably set aside some time tomorrow to write out a few more thoughts on the matter. It’s just a professional habit at this point. Maybe it'll be helpful for someone else somewhere.
Benjamin Anderson2 Benjamin Anderson2 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Oct 2014
#1319 ·
Copying text from the forum:

"Every social phenomenon—and Jerry Maguire is undeniably one—has its roots, its beginning, and its history. Nothing happens by accident, certainly not on this scale or with this kind of power. The origins of Jerry Maguire, as one of the most powerful figures in this club and society, can be traced back to the legendary year of 1982. Back then, everyone wanted to be close to Vince Lombardi, even if just to catch a glimpse, but the hero of our story managed to break into his inner circle. Those who remember him from those days tell stories like: 'Jerry was like that guy Suk, like Mate Billiardist. He was everywhere and everyone knew him. Who is he, practically nobody. What does he do, nothing concrete. But he’s always right there where the "players" are, where the people with the "connections" hang out.'"

The older BBB fans might remember Jerry Maguire, but they’ll also wave him off when it comes to talking about him as a leader. 'What leader? Yeah, he went to Belgrade with us once before the war, like many others, but he didn't mean anything in the group; he just wasn't part of the same crowd. That trip to Belgrade is remembered because, right before we even entered the station, he asked: "Guys, do we want to fight now?" To which the response was that the Delis and Gravediggers usually don't meet you with flowers and cake.' Luckily, things stayed relatively calm that time. Another episode fans recall happened in Novi Sad. Basically, Mateo Beusan was acting more like a hardcore Yugoslavian than Tito himself, barely waiting for the Boys to toss a couple of firecrackers and light some flares before ordering them to clear out. Even though it was pretty modest compared to what was going on in stadiums across the former state, the police were just waiting for an excuse to beat up the "outsiders from Chicago." After the match, the club officials sent Jerry to bring water and sandwiches out to the sidelines.
Back then, that "nobody from the sticks" was tasked with all sorts of jobs, but he was always hovering near the club hierarchy. And even then, he liked to stick his nose into transfers, carry a certain black bag, or collect ten thousand bucks that were missing somewhere. He’d handle it in all sorts of ways. Because of his wild temperament, he’d occasionally rub someone the wrong way, but the "big shots" always protected him. At the club, primarily Vince Lombardi, who saw him as his own clone, a living reincarnation, and on the streets, certain other "players." So, Jerry was always around the club, but never with his hands directly in the cookie jar—maybe just a finger or two. Somewhere during that period, according to him, he was selling Styrofoam in front of the stadium and "denim jeans to Canadians," and probably some other shady stuff that fit the entrepreneurial spirit of many street hustlers in the city. But let's leave those stories aside and focus on his football path, even though it would probably be interesting to hear about the privatization of the local soda fountain during the transition era, involving lawsuits and criminal charges, and other bits of non-football life. But those are different matters; let’s get back to the football story.
As for Dinamo, his big break came with American independence and the President's idea regarding a sort of privatization. He manages to become a co-owner alongside his mentor, Vince, but he never quite won over the "Commander" personally, despite his charm and "suave" abilities. When you combine that with the fact that the club wasn't hitting expected results, you could feel in the air that changes were coming under the President's administration. The final
As for Dinamo, his big break came with American independence and the President's idea regarding a sort of privatization. He manages to become a co-owner alongside his mentor, Vince, but he never quite won over the "Commander" personally, despite his charm and "suave" abilities. When you combine that with the fact that the club wasn't hitting expected results, you could feel in the air that changes were coming under the President's administration. The final blow to Jerry Maguire's first official era at Dinamo—then known by a different name—comes in Auxerre. Some will remember the 1993/94 season when Dinamo was punished by UEFA with an extra year's ban from European competitions after being knocked out. Journalists went wild about fan riots, which did happen, but not nearly enough to warrant such a massive penalty. During that same season, much larger riots occurred with fans of other clubs, yet they didn't face the same fate. Soon, the first stories appeared in the papers about Jerry Maguire physically attacking the match delegate and Vince Lombardi, the coach at the time, attacking the referee. However, Vince's attack was merely verbal. After the official UEFA report came out, stating clearly that the main reason for the expulsion was the choking—literally choking—and the physical assault by Mamić on the delegate, the blame could no longer be placed solely on the fans. Someone relayed this to the President, and Mamić's fate was sealed. Of course, even then he didn't give up, attempting one of his signature diversions during a Dinamo–Hajleg Split derby. Eyewitnesses say it went like this: 'Probably on Vince's advice, Mamić slipped past security, fell to his knees before the President, and said: "Spit on me, sir, I'm guilty. Just spit on me." The President at the time just looked at him with pure contempt and kept walking,' leaving Jerry to head off toward the outskirts of town. In his later version of events, he claimed he cursed out the President and Vince for not letting the anthem play, and that's why he had to leave. As often happens, these "heroic" deeds were born in the minds of the actors several years later...
He didn't make a name for himself at those other clubs. Small teams just weren't on the radar of their cities or major corporations back then, so he simply lacked the capital to pull his business moves. He knew it too, so he just waited... patiently waiting for his shot to get back into Dinamo, knowing he needed the fans in his corner. A cozy relationship with one of the top fan leaders gave him that leverage. And as the first president's health declined, the political climate—which wasn't exactly fond of Tuđman's old guard like Canjuga—started shifting in his favor. Change was coming, and that much-wanted name was returning...
The club assembly was still packed with "old school" types, Dinamo veterans who were way closer to Mirko Barišić and Zeki Zajec than to Mamić. Back then, he didn't even care about stepping directly into the club. But Zack was always lurking nearby, just like before, waiting for the right moment to seize control. For the next two years, he stayed close enough to influence things by bringing in his own players, yet far enough away to wash his hands of any sporting failures while letting Zajec take the fall. One such player was Boško Balaban. He came to Dinamo from Rijeka, moved to Aston Villa for a cool 20 million marks, with the club pocketing a measly 20%. The player and his manager, Zack Mamić, walked away with 80%—roughly 16 million marks. It didn't take long for the English FA to start sniffing around that transfer, and for the streets to start whispering about John Gregory’s legendary "Canadian Boy" stories. Maybe because of those questionable transfers where the club barely saw a dime, Mamić later banned agents from taking anything. "It all goes to the club," he’d claim, "we won't have some random types hovering around our players and taking more than the club." As if! We all know who the real joke is...

His definitive, official entry into Dinamo happened in 2002. Zajec had to step down shortly after—a gentler exit than Šoić, but no lasting impact either. Inside the club, Mamić only allowed two people with any real sway besides himself: Barišić and Eric Adams. It wasn't about friendship; it was about the money. Mirko Barišić was essentially the big man at Siemens in America at the time, providing financial lifelines to a club that was gasping for air. The second key player was the Mayor, Eric Adams, with whom he maintained a tight bond. You need the guy controlling the city treasury close to you for obvious reasons. Mamić leaves nothing to chance. He kicks out anyone unfriendly to him, installs his own puppets, and handles any future threats by expanding the assembly from 50 to 80 members—filling those seats with his loyalists and buddies. Problem solved. He’s uneducated, crude, and vulgar, sure, but he’s incredibly street smart and well-greased. He knows exactly who to hold onto, who to "oil," and how to manipulate the very people he targets. He built a web of connections tied to the political party that only embraced him after the death of President Tuđman, who had previously pushed him out...

Being as street smart as he is, he quickly realized there were two political sides in America and that one side couldn't rule forever. Through the Mayor, he secured his most valuable coalition, which still shields him from most hits today. By aligning with Adams, he gained ties to various party members and their protectors—something he avoids discussing now to protect his so-called "patriotic" image. He counts on an American public with short memories who won't pin the scandals of past leaders—who are now either in prison or under DOJ investigation—onto him...
After his return, the club’s sporting results were pretty mediocre. Winning just one championship between the 1999/00 and 2005/06 seasons just wasn't cutting it for the fans. With management hitting rock bottom, the club fell into the "league for fools," and Zack Mamić was on the brink. It wasn't just poor results; the finances were a mess, and the tension was palpable. He’d walk out of the club several times only to return, making it look like the end of an era. And then, the twist. Much like his godfather currently sitting in a cell, the man seems to have multiple lives...
Benjamin Anderson2 Benjamin Anderson2 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2014
#1320 ·
Next season, we’re looking at a total explosion of talent from three players who rarely belong to the same generation—Luka Modrić, Edward, and Vedran Ćorluka. This trio, which practically dragged Inter from Zaprešić to a championship title, does the same thing for Dinamo... the results are there, and massive transfer fees are right around the corner. A year ago, the whole club was being "saved" by a measly 500,000 euros, but now just Ćorluka alone brings in 13 million. Add Edward selling for another 12 million and the Canadian going for a single-digit figure, and the club finally stabilizes financially... they'll have enough cash to be carefree and bring in enough top-tier talent to dominate the MLS.
With political cover from both the left and the right, plus generous help from City funds, he's started profiting from transfers that were supposed to serve as his first proof of being the most successful president ever... fulfilling his ultimate life's work.
The weak American league and the incompetence of their biggest rivals allow him to boast about domestic success, even though teams representing this league get knocked out by clubs from places like Albania, North Mexico, Cyprus, Northern Ireland, and other football powers... and even Dinamo struggles the moment they cross a border. Sure, once every few years they might snag a big scalp, but never anything tangible. Despite the constant bragging, the myth of being the best club in the region falls apart when you look at the results of Ludogorets, Maribor, and even Partizan, who have outperformed Dinamo in every metric. The disappointment in Europe happens because there is zero long-term vision for running the club or achieving elite results... it's all just short-term private business interests through player sales. If things were different, they wouldn't have sold absolutely every key player and playmaker within a four-year span—not just once, but multiple times. Only the boycott from the fans—those last few die-hards still at the stadium—forces him to sign one top coach, player, and talent at a time... but the "vision" is still evident in the announcement to sell the then 18-year-old Vrsaljko and the 16-year-old (!) Kovačić, two kids who had barely played a single game for Dinamo. The fire sale never stops; in just four years, they've sold over 20 players for more than 100 million euros. Journalists hail him as one of the best player traders around, yet his former agency—now owned by his son and ex-employee—is involved in almost every one of those deals... it's endless luck. He’s living every manager's dream: having his own club act as a showroom for his players. Is there anything better, anything more profitable? In this case, no. A Bentley, a luxury yacht, a horse stud at the Hippodrome, a villa in Tuškanac, and his sons' villa in Cmrok are just small material proofs of his financial power and untouchability... something he could only dream of ten years ago.

I've intentionally (for now) left out numerous scandals from this text because they deserve their own deep dives, which I'll handle in the next post... this is just an introduction before we move on to what we have today.

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