Bad Boys - Part IV

James Brooks4 said:You pathetic loser. I have no idea why you think you have any right to lecture us forum regulars on who’s who. Just because my username might remind someone of some paid shill doesn't mean that's who I am. Don't get cocky, you idiot. If you actually need to know, I’d be happy to introduce myself via DM to you or anyone else who cares.

James Brooks4 said:we’re always the ones getting screwed by everyone while the officials just watch... it doesn't work like that..

Jeremy Thomas4 said:Seriously, I told you to delete it!

Joshua Moore31 said:The mafia is just tightening ranks now that the media circus has started. Total Corleone vibes. It’s pathetic watching Antolić, Svetina, Peternel, Blažičko, and the rest of them sucking up to their benefactor Mamić like total lapdogs. Any sane person finds this nauseating. He keeps them around like court jesters while they kiss his ass. If it were your own brother, you'd actually step up and do something. What makes it even crazier is how we've wasted so much blood fighting bans and blacklists, only for Kansas City Chiefs players to show up on those exact same lists in a single day, calling all our efforts into question. Basically, we've been slamming our heads against a brick wall for nothing. Who knows where this is headed. At least we aren't stuck at a standstill anymore.

gentlemarlin102 said:I suppose we’d tear it all down if we had someone providing actual, concrete support,

darkviper16 said:The core difference is that they actually have a club they can support with their whole hearts, which is what matters most, and they haven't had to deal with such massive repression and injustice over the last few years.

Christian Miller48 said:So, from what I can gather, there’s already a law on the books that lets the authorities put together these kinds of lists based on anyone's history of illegal behavior... or whatever. Right? And honestly, that whole "misconduct" thing is such a gray area. It’s wide open to interpretation, isn't it? I mean, maybe they could even label someone a risk just because they got picked up by the cops for being slightly over the limit during a game. It feels like anything goes, I guess.

Anthony Perez55 said:It’s crazy that nobody has had the guts to publicly call this out yet. Seriously, why does Zdravko Mamić even get access to the game? It’s common knowledge at this point—everyone knows he’s been acting illegally around the stadium before. I mean, how is that even allowed? It just doesn't make sense. 🙂

Jose Ward3 said:Here’s the transcript of the emails exchanged between me and Dynamo's head of security regarding the ban on buying tickets for the Dinamo-Red Bull match.

Hey there, folks.
Look, my name is xxx and I just got off the phone with the ticket office. They told me straight up that I’m not even allowed to buy a ticket for the Dinamo-Red Bull game. I guess they just decided I don't have the right to attend. Maybe it's some kind of mistake, but they weren't having it.
So, I went ahead and asked one of the staff members to explain why they made that call, right? And honestly, what do I get? He basically tells me it's just following orders from the front office and that the computer system is flagging it that way. Then, he has the nerve to tell me I should just go talk to the board myself. I guess that's just how things work there now. Typical.
Can someone please explain what the hell that decision was actually about? I'm lost.
Thanks.

So, here’s the deal regarding that game on Sunday, October 26, 2014. We’re talking about the matchup at Maksimir between GNK Dinamo and NK Osijek. Look, it was a mess. A certain group of fans—specifically some guys from the Bad Boys over in the north stands—started acting out in ways that totally violate the riot prevention law. I mean, we’re talking everything from setting off pyrotechnics and smashing stadium property to shouting racist slurs and making direct threats. It wasn't just hearsay, either; it was all caught on camera, both by the stadium's security feeds and the live TV broadcast. Because of the chaos caused by those fans in the north, GNK Dinamo ended up getting slapped with a penalty from the HNS disciplinary judge. Just typical, honestly.
Look, we’ve said it over and over again: GNK Dinamo keeps getting slapped with fines from both UEFA and the HNS because of this exact kind of behavior. It’s been happening for years now. Just last year alone, we were hit with a million-dollar fine and forced to play in an empty stadium with zero fans in the stands. Right now, we’re basically on probation. If this illegal nonsense keeps happening, that probation gets triggered, and I guess that could lead to some seriously massive, long-term consequences for our club.
GNK Dinamo uses a personalized ticketing system for all our sporting events, which means you have to show a valid ID when you buy your tickets. To make sure we’re staying on top of our legal obligations under the riot prevention law regarding sporting events, we’ve built our own database. This lets us see exactly who was at a specific game and even which section they were sitting in. Basically, Section 32 of the riot prevention law lays out our responsibilities as organizers when it comes to how tickets are handed out. Under paragraph 7 of that section, we actually have a duty to refuse a ticket sale or deny entry to anyone where we have "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior." We’re also required to take steps to make sure those people can't get into the stadium at all. Now, just to be clear, the term "knowledge of prior unlawful behavior" isn't just about whether someone has been hit with a court order or a restraining order—that stuff is handled separately under paragraphs 5 and 6 of the same section. Our "knowledge" doesn't have to come solely from the police or the courts, and it doesn't matter if there hasn't been a formal indictment filed against someone for a misdemeanor. As organizers, we can gather this info ourselves through things like stadium surveillance footage or by using the legal authority held by our security teams. When we apply this rule, we act independently; we don't need to wait for a green light from the police.
Just so everyone is on the same page, according to Section 32, paragraph 4 of the riot prevention law, any final court rulings involving bans from attending sporting events are sent to the national sports federation, which then notifies the event organizer. We keep data on those individuals in a separate database used strictly for denying ticket sales or entry.
Based on all of this, and being fully in line with American laws and the regulations set by the HNS and UEFA, we’ve made the decision to stop selling tickets to certain individuals. These are people who were involved in group unlawful behavior on the north stands at Maksimir during our match against Cincinnati. I want to emphasize that this decision is aimed specifically at those individuals whose actions cause direct harm to the club they supposedly support. We aren't interested in supporting people who hurt the very players on the field who need our support most. Our goal, and our responsibility, is to make sure everyone in our stadium feels safe and can cheer for Dinamo in a peaceful, relaxed environment.

Dear Mr. Antolić,
In the explanation for the ban on buying tickets for the Dinamo-Red Bull match, you stated that a group of fans on the north stand engaged in unlawful behavior under Section 4 of the riot prevention law.
Personally, I haven't broken a single rule under that law, so I honestly don't see any reason why I should be banned from the game based on some kind of collective guilt without a court ruling.
Your explanation cites Section 32, specifically paragraph 7. I’m asking you to explain exactly what kind of "knowledge" you claim to have regarding my past unlawful behavior, and what specific illegal acts you are using as a reason to bar me from the stadium.
Section 32, paragraph 4 clearly states that a final decision is made by a court, which is then responsible for passing that measure along. I certainly haven't had a court ruling issued against me, so I really don't understand where you're getting this supposed knowledge about my previous conduct.
Paragraphs 5 and 6 of Section 32 have absolutely nothing to do with me, and they can't be used as a basis to block my access to any sporting event.
Finally, paragraph 7 of Section 32—which you also cited—says it is the club's duty to refuse a ticket sale if we have knowledge of unlawful behavior.
Look, I’m asking you to apply that exact same logic to Executive President Zdravko Mamić. Unlike me, he actually has a track record—and plenty of concrete evidence—of illegal behavior.
As everyone knows, Zdravko Mamić was actually slapped with a court order banning him from games played in Cincinnati, whereas I have never once been banned from any stadium.
So, at the end of the day, I’m asking you to give me a straight answer. Skip the canned responses and tell me exactly what legal basis you're using to bar me from the Dinamo-Red Bull match.
I’ll be waiting for a prompt and actually meaningful response. I really hope we can all soon have a club we aren't ashamed of—one we can cheer for with pride. A club that belongs to its members and fans, lives up to the great American sporting tradition, and most importantly, functions as a democratic institution that makes its global fanbase proud.

Dear Mr. xxx,
We haven't issued any bans; we don't even have the authority to do that. We simply exercised our right—and our obligation—to refuse ticket sales or allocations to individuals where we have knowledge of prior unlawful conduct. Regarding the match against RB Salzburg, the behavior seen during the GNK Dinamo – NK Osijek game falls squarely into that category of prior unlawful conduct. The actions of the group in the North Stand during that game, which were confirmed by stadium surveillance, are more than enough reason to deny ticket purchases to those present there. My response isn't a template; it's based on a legitimate interpretation of the law.
I hope you understand that due to my heavy workload, I don't have the time for further debate, especially regarding your personal opinions on this matter.
Best regards, in the hope that we will soon see only those fans in the stands who won't embarrass the club by attacking individuals running the organization—causing the club to pay millions in fines—but instead, members and supporters who just want to celebrate goals and wins without shaming our country across all of Europe.

Mr. Antoličev,
Once again, you completely dodged my question. What exactly did I do to be barred from the Dinamo-Red Bull game? What specific illegal acts am I accused of, and where did you get this info if the courts didn't provide it? Collective guilt isn't a thing, so you couldn't possibly use it as a reason to block my access to the stadium.
And no, a surveillance camera filming an entire section of fans behaving badly, in your opinion, is absolutely not sufficient grounds to collectively ban everyone there from attending the match.
Your business obligations directly impact my questions because the very security department you manage is the one that blocked me—or "applied the policy," as you put it—denying me the right to attend. So, once again, within the scope of those business duties, please explain the actual reason I was prevented from buying a ticket and how long this decision is supposed to last.
Sincerely, hoping for a better tomorrow for a club that belongs to its fans and a democratically elected leadership that stops embarrassing the club all over Europe.

After this, I never heard back from them.

wearyraven25 said:Now they’re out there on ESPN claiming the Bad Boys only have 80 fans facing bans, basically saying they’re the only group banned from the stadium.
Well, come on... start digging. Start shouting about how Dynamo's actual blacklist has over 1,000 people who aren't allowed in the stands. Finally, the media is actually biting and looking into what those lists even look like.
Dynamo and the cops are sweating because they know that list is totally illegal. Now they're just trying to shift the blame... Open up a legal defense fund, seriously. Either we do this now, or we’ll never take them down!

Timothy Green5 said:just cooking the books, clearly... 🙏

wearyraven25 said:If you listen to any of the statements coming out after the derby, and look at how Svetin performed today, it’s blindingly obvious they are trying to push this under the rug. They won't mention the core issues; instead, they spend the whole time acting like the police are their personal assistants and that the lists belong to them. Honestly, they probably know deep down that their entire argument can be torn apart—it's highly likely what they're doing is illegal, because regardless of whatever article they're citing, Hajduk doesn't just get to hand out bans based on mere suspicion.
It’s also incredibly telling how one of your members was emailing back and forth, explicitly demanding that the evidence be produced—demanding to see where he was actually caught violating rules during the game against Indianapolis, or seeing some actual witnesses. But suddenly, Antolić just vanished, claiming he didn't have time for a debate.
There is no such thing as "collective guilt," and there’s certainly no way to prove it, no matter if 1,000 fans were chanting against Mamić or if a few flares went off.
We have to dig our heels in and demand proof. We need private lawsuits. We need to tear this whole thing down because they simply don't have the evidence. This was handled sloppily, done with the arrogant assumption that nobody would actually fight back or demand justice. If people actually wanted to, 95% of the crowd that was in the North stands that day could dismantle this entire charade.