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2014 Belgian GP (Spa-Francorchamps) - August 24th

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jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#121 ·
stormybadger8 said:Yep Ted said that...
Well, you don't exactly need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out—it's pretty obvious. 😁

I mean, good God, Vettel didn't even run in Free Practice 2, which is usually the golden opportunity to fine-tune the race setup...
plus, his workload in Free Practice 1 was minimal—just 11 laps—and then he only squeezed in 10 laps during Free Practice 3... compared to Ricciardo, who clocked in a total of 44 laps across the practice sessions.

And since these are entirely new, unfamiliar cars, there really wasn't much choice but to basically just copy Ricciardo's setup...
Last year's data probably wasn't worth much at all when you consider things like the brake-by-wire configuration, GDI settings, or how to manage the battery deployment and so on.

Yeah, I suppose that's probably why Vettel loses entire seasons.😂
slybison8 slybison8 Active Member
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#122 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:I feel like you're being a bit contradictory here. First, you suggest that it was Nico Rosberg's mistake, but then you go on to actually blame him for it. I suppose a simple mistake might be enough to excuse Rosberg's actions.

I suppose this isn't really about making a mistake. It seems more like a calculated attempt to force a collision, specifically to snatch those points away from Nico Rosberg in a way that leaves no clear evidence of fault.

I suppose it’s quite far from being a mistake. It might be considered a masterpiece—perhaps a bit malicious, I guess, but a masterpiece nonetheless that will likely secure him the championship title.

I guess this whole situation feels somewhat reminiscent of the 2007 season at McLaren, specifically regarding those intense disagreements between Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso.

It was hard to pin down exactly who was at fault back then, especially since McLaren felt quite biased toward Lewis Hamilton given their British roots. It seems like we are seeing a similar pattern unfolding this year with Nico Rosberg, which just makes me think that Hamilton might lack the integrity required to be a true Formula 1 driver.

I suppose it wasn't really his place to walk out of that team meeting and immediately start briefing the press on what went down inside. That kind of thing should probably be left to the Mercedes-Benz press office or maybe one of the executives, I guess. His behavior felt incredibly disrespectful, and if we were living in a different era where people actually valued character over just money and performance, Hamilton might have been shown the door yesterday regardless of how much it cost the team.

I suppose I should remind everyone that the whole circus surrounding his relationship with Nico Rosberg was really ignited by that Hamilton interview with NBC right before the Monaco race. In it, he portrayed himself almost exclusively as the victim—implying he faced racism and discrimination growing up because of his skin color—while describing Rosberg's upbringing as that of a "privileged rich kid." It seemed like he felt a real need to win in Monaco just to prove to all those similar "rich kids" that those with fewer privileges also deserve equal opportunities and equal rewards for their talent.

I suppose Nico Rosberg naturally managed to beat him at Monaco.

There is also another factor to consider here: if any white driver were to make a similar comment about Lewis Hamilton, or even just allude to race in a negative way, I suppose we can only imagine what the fallout would be. It seems likely that such a person would simply never be allowed back on the grid again.

It seems that nobody decided to issue any serious sanctions following Lewis Hamilton's rather impudent and scandalous public outburst. I suppose that specific interview actually served as the catalyst for the conflict between the two Mercedes-Benz drivers, which has now clearly spiraled into a phase of total hatred and mutual intolerance. This probably won't be good for the team, much like how Hamilton's behavior toward Fernando Alonso back in 2007 acted as a precursor to the numerous issues at McLaren, from which that team still hasn't fully recovered.

There are certain people and phenomena that simply have no business being part of professional sports. I feel quite bad saying this, but I am increasingly inclined to believe that Lewis Hamilton is one of those destructive forces who shouldn't be present in Formula 1, or perhaps even in sports in general. Maybe he could find more success as a politician, given the methods and the specific style he uses when attempting to settle scores with his own prominent teammates throughout his career.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#123 ·
slybison8 said:This whole thing gives me major McLaren 2007 vibes—you know, back when Hamilton and Alonso were basically at each other's throats.
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Honestly, you just need to look at how Lewis Hamilton is the common thread in both scenarios. He's the Common Denominator—as the Americans would say.
Michael Diaz4 Michael Diaz4 Active MemberOP
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#124 ·
slybison8 said:This whole situation takes me right back to McLaren during the 2007 season and those massive blowouts between Hamilton and Alonso.

Back then, it was hard to pin down who was actually at fault. Plus, being a British outfit, McLaren was clearly biased toward Hamilton. We’re seeing a carbon copy of that dynamic play out this year with Rosberg, except now Hamilton is once again proving he lacks the integrity required to be a Formula 1 driver.

He shouldn't have gone straight to the media after a team meeting to air everything out. That’s what the Mercedes-Benz press office or team management handles. What he did was incredibly disrespectful. If we lived in an era where character mattered more than just bottom lines and profit margins, Hamilton would have been kicked off the team regardless of the cost.

Let’s not forget the root of this entire circus. The friction between him and Rosberg really ignited during that NBC interview before the race in Monaco. He played the victim—bringing up his childhood and implying he faced racial discrimination—while painting Rosberg as nothing more than a "privileged rich kid." He claimed he needed to win in Monaco specifically to show all those "rich kids" that those with less privilege deserve equal opportunities and rewards for their talent.

Naturally, Rosberg beat him in Monaco.

And here is the kicker: if any white driver had said anything remotely similar about Hamilton, or made even a subtle negative reference to race, we can only imagine the fallout. They wouldn't be allowed near a starting grid anymore.

Yet, nobody decided to seriously sanction Lewis Hamilton for that scandalous public outburst. That specific interview was the spark that started the war between the two Mercedes-Benz drivers, a war that has clearly devolved into pure hatred and resentment. It’s toxic for the team. It reminds me how Hamilton's behavior toward Alonso in 2007 set the stage for years of dysfunction at McLaren—problems they still haven't fully moved past.

Certain people and certain attitudes simply don't belong in sports. I hate to say it, but I’m increasingly convinced that Lewis Hamilton is one of those destructive personalities who has no business being in Formula 1, or in professional sports at all. Maybe he should try politics; he might find more success using the same tactics he uses to tear down his own teammates.

You're right. His character is non-existent; he’s basically a bully. As a smarter, better driver, Rosberg will eventually outclass him...
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#125 ·
slybison8 As I was reflecting on this earlier, one cannot help but wonder what truly lies behind the words spoken by someone like Chris Robinson25? It seems to me that when he speaks, there is always a certain weight to his perspective, wouldn't you agree? One must consider whether we are merely looking at the surface level of his argument, or if there is a deeper, more complex truth waiting to be unraveled beneath the layers of his discourse. Is it possible that we have been overlooking the very essence of what he is trying to convey to us all?
Does anyone else get this nagging sense of déjà vu when looking at the current situation? It feels strikingly similar to that turbulent 2007 season at McLaren, specifically those infamous clashes between Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso. One can't help but wonder if history is simply preparing to repeat itself.

I find myself feeling exactly the same way.

slybison8 said:At that particular juncture, there was such a profound sense of uncertainty regarding who truly bore the responsibility for the outcome, wasn't there? It felt as though McLaren, acting in its capacity as the quintessential British outfit, exhibited a rather palpable bias toward Hamilton—though one might wonder if we aren't simply witnessing history repeat itself this year with Rosberg, while Hamilton once again proves himself to be... Is there anything more disheartening than witnessing an individual possessed of such a profoundly corrupt character, someone who simply lacks the fundamental integrity required to sit behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car? One has to wonder, as we watch these athletes compete on the world stage, whether true talent can ever truly compensate for a soul that is fundamentally broken, or if the very essence of being a professional driver demands a moral fortitude that this particular person clearly fails to possess.

In my humble estimation, those words feel a bit too harsh, don't they?

slybison8 said:It simply wasn't his place to emerge from that team meeting and start briefing the press on what transpired behind closed doors. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the Mercedes-Benz press office or perhaps a senior executive within the team management. Honestly, his decision to speak out was nothing short of incredibly brazen; if we were living in a different era—one where we didn't obsess solely over profit margins and immediate productivity—wouldn't Lewis Hamilton have been shown the door immediately for behaving like that? Regardless of what it might cost the organization, such conduct would be grounds for dismissal in a more principled environment.

I might be tempted to label such a move as reckless, though I certainly wouldn't go so far as to suggest he should be ousted from the team because of it.

slybison8 said:I should probably remind everyone that this entire circus regarding his relationship with Nico Rosberg was actually ignited by that one interview Hamilton gave to NBC right before the race in Monaco. During that conversation, he painted himself as nothing more than a victim—essentially implying he had dealt with racism and skin-color discrimination throughout his childhood—while simultaneously describing Rosberg's upbringing as that of a "privileged little rich boy." He went on to suggest that his drive to win in Monaco was fueled by a desire to prove to all those similar "privileged kids" that those coming from less fortunate backgrounds deserve an equal shot at success and the same rewards for their talent. Is it any wonder the tension reached such heights?

It came as little surprise to anyone watching that Nico Rosberg managed to outmaneuver him and secure the victory at Monaco.

Then there is yet another factor to consider: if any white driver were to make even a remotely similar comment regarding Lewis Hamilton, or if they were to reference race in a negative light—whether through direct language or subtle implication—one can only begin to imagine the sheer magnitude of the fallout that would follow. Would such an individual even be permitted to take their place on the starting grid ever again?

It serves as yet another instance of tactlessness, which unfortunately, Lewis seems prone to, stemming from what I personally perceive as a somewhat limited social intelligence.

slybison8 said:Yet, nobody decided to seriously sanction that rude and scandalous public display by Lewis Hamilton—and it was precisely that interview that signaled the start of the war between those two Mercedes-Benz drivers, a conflict that has clearly spiraled into a phase of total hatred and intolerable friction, which simply cannot be good for the team; much like how Hamilton's behavior toward Fernando Alonso back in 2007 served as the prelude to numerous issues for McLaren, problems from which that team still hasn't fully recovered even today.

That very same Hamilton brought McLaren the title in 2008, so I find it difficult to believe he is truly responsible for McLaren's troubles. In the context of that entire 2007 saga, wasn't Alonso behaving no better than the Briton?

slybison8 said:Certain things, people, and phenomena simply have no place in sports. It pains me to say it, but I am increasingly inclined to believe that Lewis Hamilton is one of those destructive forces who simply shouldn't exist in Formula 1, nor in sports in general—perhaps he could find success as a politician, where he might achieve more through the specific methods and style he employs when attempting to settle scores with his prominent teammates throughout his career.

I suspect any true enthusiast of Formula 1 here will disagree with you; while he certainly commits the kind of blunders off the track that you’ve pointed out, on the track itself, he remains one of the greatest and most spectacular drivers to ever compete.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#126 ·
I'm wondering what actually went down with Hamilton after that incident!?
Why did he officially retire, and why couldn't he move up from 15th or whatever position he was sitting in during the race?
Someone mentioned some damage to the floor or something like that.

If there was serious damage that caused his performance to tank and eventually forced him out, it’s entirely possible Hamilton caused it himself by being reckless and pushing too hard on a shredded tire.
Michael Diaz4 Michael Diaz4 Active MemberOP
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#127 ·
Roger Wright94 said:I’m really curious about what happened with Hamilton after that incident!
Why did he officially retire, and why didn't he move up past 15th—or whatever position he was sitting in during the race?
Someone mentioned damage to the floor or something similar.

If there was serious damage that caused his performance to tank and eventually forced him to pull out, it’s entirely possible that Hamilton himself caused it by being reckless and pushing too hard on a shredded tire.

Right after the radio chatter suggested Hamilton was setting fastest laps despite the damaged floor... things just went south for him later on...
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#128 ·
Politically speaking, I don't see any chance of those two ever making peace or fixing things between them.
The situation is already way too toxic for that.
Nico is playing it smart—really smart. He keeps his mouth shut and just does his job. He isn't wasting his breath responding to Hamilton's constant chatter; he’s just handing that hot potato straight back to Mercedes.
Hamilton hasn't had much luck with the car's reliability, and honestly, his own frustrations have done the rest of the damage.

Mercedes needs to wrap this season up the right way. They should implement some strict conduct rules for both of them immediately. Luckily for them, they have such a dominant car that the title shouldn't be an issue anyway.

As for next year, they’ll need to kick one of them out.
Personally, I’d go with whoever loses.
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#129 ·
I think the penalty on Kevin Magnussen was totally justified, though I find it hard to swallow... this isn't some wide runoff area like what we saw in Bahrain. There’s just freaking grass right next to the track, and those barriers are way too close for comfort.

Regarding Nice and Lewis, there’s zero chance both of them stay at Mercedes-Benz through 2015. Someone is going to have to move on.
Maybe Nico goes to Ferrari, while Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton reunite at Mercedes-Benz.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#130 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Politics-wise, there's zero chance those two ever make up or fix things.
The whole situation is way too toxic by now.

please, they're all jokes—give it two or three years and they'll be at each other's throats again

just look at Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton, acting like nothing happened even six years ago
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#131 ·
I couldn't agree more. Honestly, most of today's drivers are just a bunch of spoiled brats; there’s no other way to put it.
Daniel Ricciardo has a massive following now, so we'll see how that actually plays out if he ends up fighting directly for the championship title down the road.

We’ve already seen this season how quick Dani is to pull the trigger when he needs to tell the pit wall to deal with Sebastian Vettel, who happens to be slower than him at those exact moments (and somehow finds himself right in his way).
It’s pretty bold coming from a driver who hasn't really achieved much in his career, casually telling the crew, "Guys, we have to do something about it." And then what? Vettel pulls away from him just two laps later. 😁
Peter Carter6 Peter Carter6 Newcomer
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#132 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:come on, they're all just drama waiting to happen. give it two or three years and they'll be at each other's throats.

just look at Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton—you'd never guess anything even happened between them six years ago.

I'm totally with you on that first point, though I'd add one little thing: that's only if they aren't driving the exact same car.
As for the second part, man, put them back in identical cars and you'll see the sparks fly again...
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#133 ·
Peter Carter6 said:I’m with you entirely on the first point, though with one tiny caveat: that’s assuming they aren't stuck in the same car.
As for the second part, you'd probably just end up putting them back in the same machinery anyway...

That's what I was getting at.
It’s all well and good throwing compliments at each other from a distance.

But if they were actually side-by-side, I doubt anyone would be willing to share their space.
Jerry Rogers6 Jerry Rogers6 Active Member
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#134 ·
graniteharbor502 said:I don't think any actual Formula 1 enthusiast here is going to agree with you. Sure, he might be making a mess of things off the track—those blunders you pointed out are real—but when it comes to actually driving? He’s easily one of the most talented, spectacular drivers on the grid.

Look, since you clearly think I’m some kind of expert scout for racing drama, let me set the record straight: Lewis Hamilton is an absolute class act.🙂

ps. The truth is, Lewis backed off because he's got an ego the size of Texas. I distinctly remember him ranting over the radio about how the whole thing made zero sense—claiming they had to save the engine, blah blah blah.
In reality, he just wanted to get out of the way because he wasn't leading the pack; he simply can't handle navigating through the field with that turbo engine while everyone else is playing the game like normal people.(And let's be honest, he was just livid because Nico Rosberg absolutely smoked him yet again.🤣)
Chris Robinson25 Chris Robinson25 Active Member
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#135 ·
Hamilton just has an uncanny knack for sniffing out his teammates... Alonso, Rosberg... the guy probably has some serious baggage from all that.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#136 ·
Chris Robinson25 said:Hamilton definitely has a nose for bad teammates... Alonso, Rosberg... guy probably still has some trauma from that.

You forgot Jenson Button...
Basically, the only ones who didn't get slapped by him were Alonso and Smith. 😁

Cool photo, by the way. 🤣
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We should come up with something regarding Rosberg/Hamilton in this same style. 😬 🤣
hiddenfox64 hiddenfox64 Member
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#137 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Kevin Magnussen's penalty makes sense. I can't believe people think otherwise... this isn't some massive runoff area like we saw in Bahrain. It's just freaking grass next to the track, and those barriers are right there.

Man, what do you mean "makes sense"? What are you even talking about, dude? You alright? You clearly have no clue.
Chris Robinson25 Chris Robinson25 Active Member
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#138 ·
hiddenfox64 said:I mean, what’s even justifiable here? What are you even talking about, man? You alright? You've clearly got no clue.

The FIA rules cover just about everything—from how many times you can defend a single line to a whole bunch of other stuff...

It cracks me up how everyone jumps to defend that punk, too...
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#139 ·
hiddenfox64 said:What exactly is justified here? What are you even talking about, man? You okay? You clearly have no clue what's going on.


The rules are perfectly clear: you have to leave enough room for the other car. Kevin Magnussen pushed it right to the limit a few times, and once, he went way over.
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#140 ·
Chris Robinson25 said:The FIA rulebook is a massive headache. It covers everything from how many times you're allowed to defend a position on a single straight to an endless list of other technicalities.

It’s honestly hilarious to me how everyone is out here trying to defend that punk...


Give him a break. He was going toe-to-toe with Fernando Alonso, and since everyone loves to hate on Alonso, people are just using him as an easy target.

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