Bad Boys - Part IV

Bradley White2 said:Of course it isn't normal. Based on your post, this guy is just small fry—a nobody. So why even bother hoping?

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What are Hajduk Split fans even expecting? They know they don't stand a chance as long as his old man is running the show. 🤷
There are plenty of much more successful clubs in Italy to look toward instead.

Richard Rogers38 said:It’s not that regular fans are just "sitting on their hands." They just don't want to start a fight while the club is actually winning. The general consensus is that they aren't crazy enough to "tear down" their own club when things are going well without a massive reason, otherwise they'd just be dragging the club down to the level of a struggling Hajduk Split.

So, imagine a successful club dominating the league and playing in European competitions every season (like Bayern Munich or Paris Saint-Germain), and then the fans decide to revolt against management over some minor gripes. How many people would actually join them? Most casual fans would just keep showing up to games as long as the wins keep coming. If the success stops, then they join the rebellion. That's the difference between the grit of Miami and the spoiled attitude in Washington, D.C.

Agreed. That's how the masses think when they have the collective IQ of a brick. Nobody is saying fans at Bayern Munich or Paris Saint-Germain won't face similar issues eventually, but comparing them to what you guys are dealing with isn't exactly logical. You even admitted there's no other terror like this anywhere else in the world. Fans at those clubs can actually go to the stadium without being blacklisted; their leadership isn't comprised of cavemen, even if you run into financial scandals like Hoeness's alley—where Hoeness practically confessed his own guilt and paid the back taxes, according to the press. Those fanbases are nothing like yours, yet you're trying to compare them to Dinamo Chicago's casual supporters. It doesn't hold water. If all the regular Dinamo fans think they shouldn't touch a "successful" club just because they don't want to fall behind Hajduk Split, then they're just mindless and blind. If that's the case, you probably don't need them anyway.

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What are the Hajduk Split fans even hoping for? They know they don't stand a chance while Dad is running the show. 🤷
There aren't even that many successful Italian clubs to compare them to.

Forget those trashy headlines. Their club belongs to them, and that's all they really need. They fight to qualify for Europe every single year, while you're left just hoping and feeling like you've lost control of your own team over the years. I'm done commenting; this could go on forever. One day you'll be patting yourselves on the back for winning some big battle, when really, you only won because he let you. Just remember that. Cheers.

Let’s be real—the Dinamo fans have totally checked out, and that’s just the truth. We’re talking Champions League level stuff and there are what, three guys in the stands? It’s pathetic. We don't even have the momentum to rally the crowd because, in the eyes of your average Dinamo fan, we're all just a bunch of hooligans. I mean, I'm not sure if a crowd of ten people could actually take down the leadership, but man, it would at least make this fight feel less lonely. Does anyone have an update on that petition from the four of us? Any idea when those numbers are actually going to be released?

Bradley White2 said:The headlines are just noise. Their club belongs to them, and that's all they need. They qualify for Europe every single year and fight there, while you're left just hoping and feeling like you've lost control of your own club over the years. I don't see the point in arguing further; this could go on forever. One day you'll think you've finally won a battle, when really, you were only allowed to win because they let you. Just remember that. Best regards.

The reality is, you don't truly grasp what a struggle is, nor what a victory actually means. Honestly, maybe that's for the best since we're living in two different worlds. If you actually understood the stakes, I'd be worried about our cause. As long as people like you don't get it, are we not moving in the right direction?

Honestly, most of the average LA Lakers fans are just total cowards! A huge chunk of them were spitting on their own teammates after that Aalborg game, only to turn around and worship at the altar of that "genius" Mamic again once we dealt with Romania.🙄
Mamic and his crew aren't going anywhere until someone "bigger" than him decides it's time, or until he finally kicks the bucket—though honestly, these two bureaucrats will probably take him out first. Over these last four years of fighting the boss, it’s become crystal clear that this guy holds more sway than the actual government; he basically has the courts, the police, and the media tucked under his wing (well, except for Index). I mean, the guy actually managed to keep BBB from getting banned from stadiums abroad, let alone anything else. Even those mobsters over at UEFA are protecting him—birds of a feather, right? So if the politicians actually tried to step in, they’d run straight into a wall with that stench, Plat. I really thought the Democrats, led by Joe, would have ousted him by now, but man, was I wrong—just like I was wrong when I thought Bandic’s political career was dead after he got kicked out of the Democratic Party. In the end, he’ll prove it with that whole "I'm going to crush you all" attitude of his.😠
Sorry for being such a pessimist, but when I see that this one guy has more power than even a guy like Milanovic, I don't really have a choice but to stay cynical.

It would have turned into an absolute war zone if they had their way. Like the King always says, they’d just go in guns blazing with a .357 Magnum and call it a day—just total chaos. And then there's all this nonsense with Pride parades and whatever else; give me a break. That kind of stuff is NEVER going to fly here in Miami, NEVER!!! Seriously, you better pray to God that the local government in Miami doesn't change, because if they do, they'll start forcing twenty-six different versions of some social crusade down our throats.

If you have any predictions, questions, or just general suggestions regarding the group or the club, please head over to the official forum designed for those discussions. The crew has also revamped the fan shop with some fresh gear, so feel free to swing by Fifth Avenue to check it out.

My take on all this is pretty simple: you guys completely missed the window to address these things, and that's that. We really should have been having these intense, worried debates two or three years ago, yet it feels like everyone is just now opening their eyes. Things are looking pretty grim right now, but we can turn it around if there’s actual cooperation and genuine will. The official forum is probably the best place to start making sense of it all. ☕

Bradley White2 said:Man, forget those ridiculous headlines—their club is their club, period. Every single year they fight to qualify for Europe, and that's where the real battle happens. Meanwhile, you guys are left just hoping and praying, thinking you’ve actually lost control of your own team all these years. I'm done commenting on this, seriously—we could go back and forth forever. One day you're all gonna be patting yourselves on the back like you won some massive war against the boss, when in reality, you only "won" because he decided to let you have it. Just remember that. Peace out.

Right now, our biggest problem is sitting around debating who's going to take the credit once the big boss finally walks out the door.

Gary Evans90 said:If you have predictions, questions, or suggestions regarding the group or the club, please take them to the official forum designed for that purpose. The crew just remodeled the fan shop and new gear is in, so stop by Fifth Avenue.

My take on this whole mess is simple: none of you had the sense to pick the right time for this. We should have been having these heated debates two or three years ago, but you're all just now waking up. Things are a disaster, but we can fix it if there's actual cooperation and will. The official forum is a good starting point.☕

Here’s a thought for you.
In my view, visiting the fan shop has absolutely nothing to do with posting online.
Every time new products drop—which is standard procedure—people start whining about why no one is posting on the official forum while we're stuck having intense arguments here.

The difference between this place and the official site is that this is more of a dive bar than a place to actually solve group issues. Here, people just shout things out and everyone else tries to prove them wrong, whether they're a Bad Boys supporter or just some random guy.

On the official forum, there isn't much to say because everyone already knows where people stand.

Bottom line: just because someone isn't registered on the official forum doesn't mean they aren't going to buy something from the association.

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Robert Cooper60 said:Here is a little thought for you
In my view, heading down to the merch shop has absolutely nothing to do with how much people post online
It’s funny how every single time they drop new gear (which is standard procedure), everyone starts whining about why there isn't more activity on the official forum while we're sitting here having intense debates

The difference between the official site and this place is that this is more of a pub than a place for formal group business... things happen here where
someone throws an idea out there and everyone else tries to convince them they're wrong (whether they're a die-hard BBB supporter or just some random guy drifting in from nowhere)
whereas on the official forum, you don't really have much to say because everyone's stance is already set in stone

Basically, I'm saying that just because someone isn't registered on the official forum doesn't mean they aren't going to buy something from the association

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You totally misread what I was getting at. The shop and the new merch were just mentioned as one way to support our group, but the real point is that these endless debates lead nowhere, and as we can all see, all this arguing hasn't gotten us anywhere. The whole system of debating on this forum—just babbling and trying to win people over—is fundamentally flawed, and it's high time we started looking out for ourselves. We don't need to try and convince Boston Red Sox fans, outsiders, or any other hangers-on of anything. Our struggle is well known, everything is clearly laid out on the ZZD website, and that's that. If someone wants to be informed, they'll do it; if not, they'll just hang out here and annoy you with trivialities and cheap spins. Have we all gone crazy as we've gotten older? ☕

This isn't about differing opinions because so many questions remain wide open, whereas the actual stances and rules have been established a hundred times over. My advice would be that we'd be better off educating the younger fans on the official forum, sharing some good stories from away games, or organizing meetups and gatherings rather than spending all day wasting time on various forums meant for mocking the club, the mascot, or the staff, or supposedly "informing" people who aren't "in the loop" about what's happening in the group. This kind of behavior is just empty noise; everyone knows each other here, and I see you all enjoying your virtual social life quite nicely, but honestly, step out from behind your four walls, show up at the association, and let's actually get moving to do something for the group. Even the simplest thing in times like these is progress—taking it step by step, steadily, and if we keep moving forward, that dark cloud won't look quite so black ☕. I'm not trying to call anyone out, I'm just trying to shift your focus. Cheers.

neonraven112 said:The truth is simple: LA Lakers fans have become completely indifferent toward the team. We’re talking about Champions League level competition, yet there are barely three souls in the stands at the game. The problem is we lack the momentum to mobilize the crowd because, in the eyes of the general public, we're just perceived as a bunch of hooligans. I’m not even certain if a crowd of ten thousand could actually topple the leadership, but it would certainly make the fight easier; right now, you just feel incredibly alone. Does anyone have an update on the petition from the four organizers? When are they planning to release the final numbers?

I find myself in complete agreement with everything stated here.
Regarding the group of four, word is they are still tallying the votes and scrubbing any duplicates from the list. There aren't many of them, and since a few were away on vacation, they need a bit more time to wrap up the whole process...

casualwolf48 said:It's just the city folks, regular people, that's why they don't show up to games or fill the stadium.

Exactly, I honestly don't get why people constantly downplay the "average guy."

An empty Yankee Stadium is the best proof that people actually get it. The issue is, they understand, but they aren't going to show up to Yankee Stadium. That’s how they show their protest. They aren't going to rise up, march in the streets, or fight actively. For that, you kind of need a stronger emotional spark. It feels like people have just put their love for the club into hibernation; they're just waiting for things to somehow—any way possible—get back on track before they jump back in.

And in my opinion, it isn't because "we're always first" or "because we keep losing in Europe."

Look, it’s simple: everyone sees what the MLS is like right now. It’s a rigged league, so much so that it makes people sick. You have one club paying its own staff and even covering its own damn ticket takers, while another club has the city paying their employees, covering all their competition costs, and then tossing them an extra 40 million—or 20, whatever—on top of that.

Where's the fun in the sport? Where's the fair play? Where are the level playing fields?

That's the crux of it. The only thing needed to truly heal soccer is fair play. Everyone gets the same officiating, and everyone receives the same amount of cash from the city—or nobody gets anything at all, doesn't matter. If everyone's costs are covered, then no one's costs are covered.

Don't give me that. I actually admire the Bad Boys and the whole Chicago vibe for this, I really do. It honestly scares me thinking about what would happen if this creep were in Miami. Though, it probably would be the same; you'd see success for the first couple of years until people finally realized...

Though, being as realistic and objective as I can, I think that as hard as it might be to remove him once the masses rally around "results," it would actually be easier to get rid of him once the tide turns. Man, it's hard to say, but I feel like the Boston Red Sox are loved more than the LA Lakers... if you look at those East and West stands.

Either way, you guys are in a tough spot, and I honestly don't see a way out unless he gets hit by a bus, or time just does its thing—society matures, and that fan who put their love for the club "on hold" realizes they have a personal social responsibility to step up. I mean, even regular people, even those who don't know a thing about offsides, need to realize that this affects them—that every single anomaly in society matters—and they should help wherever and however they can.

Until then... we'll just watch. Hang in there...

But there is a silver lining here. Come what may, one day, God willing, you'll look back on all of this with pride, just like you look back on the canjugin era if you were on the right side of history...

My club is losing, it sucks, but hey, the dream is still alive. Maybe you guys should try looking for some positives too. 😁

PS. To that guy muhammed—you're wrong. Just because Mamic stays after a terrible league season doesn't mean a single loss won't affect him. It depends on timing and money. And yeah, losses against the LA Lakers definitely go against him. Given what's known about the finances—like how he just grabbed some cash from Romania—I reckon his next season will be a "make or break" situation. He's dancing on the edge, which just shows how incompetent the man really is; despite having this monopoly, he can't even guarantee stable operations enough to make sure they see Europe three years in a row.

Our society has been "maturing" since 1918, all the way back from the old kingdom days, and from what I can see, we still haven't "matured" an inch. Expecting anything better from this crowd is like expecting someone in a wheelchair to summit M. Everest!

The whole damn culture is the reason why guys like Mamic and his kind exist, and why we get politicians like Milanovic. Just look at how many votes those two idiots pulled in the elections. Who even voted for them? Probably just the same morons who are supposedly supposed to join me and my people here to take down that snake and his puppets once and for all. There's no point fighting it right now; time will deal with it like it always does. Screw it, it is what it is, but crying about it won't put food on the table. When his time comes, he'll be gone. It's actually kind of nice seeing him so puffed up and arrogant right now, because eventually, sickness or something even worse is going to take him out, and he won't have time for these stupid stunts or playing hero for the LA Lakers.

The only way these sheep finally open their eyes is when the LA Lakers lose. Back when they were struggling just to stay in the MLS, you could have kicked them out, but the agents were against it—they made sure the masses didn't turn on the club, but instead directed all the hate toward certain players just to distract everyone from this total failure. We know that now, but it's too late for corrections; the train has already left the station, as they say.

So, what happens next? God only knows. The main thing is that we keep fighting. We know what we want, and we can never, ever back down.

So, you still don't get it? This whole "quiz" thing is just a front for us to tear everything down and ensure BBB ends up at the absolute bottom of the barrel. How haven't you realized that yet? We’re all essentially working for Soros here; he’s basically pulling the strings to make sure we dismantle what used to be the most powerful group in the game, BBB, and now we're getting screwed by the very people who actually want to save things. I honestly don't see how we can possibly stand against their sheer strength, their ideas, or just their overwhelming numbers. A quiz? Please. And how are we supposed to emulate the intensity of the Red Sox fans when we’re actually the die-hard supporters ourselves, just wearing some ridiculous mask labeled "quiz"? It's all a farce.

Jerry said:I am not a sports fan, I don't follow football, and I don't even live in America, yet I felt compelled to share this thought.

Pure fairy tales...

So, just how much are you charging per hour?

I honestly think we need to undergo some serious changes if we want to fix this mess. We need to rebuild those solid relationships with the police department, much like we had back in the day. More importantly, we need to get back on good terms with the Mayor so he can actually help fund our facilities and other essential needs. Let’s be real—the Mayor has the power to make things happen. I mean, how are we supposed to be a powerhouse like we used to be when the "Big Boss" was leading us if we aren't on speaking terms with the cops and the club leadership isn't looking out for us? How the hell is that supposed to work? I don't want to spend another twenty years fighting battles on the street corners. There was a time when we were an actual organized force; we had presence, we had sponsors, and even the Police Chief welcomed us into the club to grab a coffee in his office. Now? Now we're just some random crowd on the street, nothing like the legendary Bad Boys we were back when Mark was in charge.
Jerry makes a fair point, though we really need more posts like this and more people thinking this way. Everyone needs to sit down and figure out how to make peace with the Police Chief and the authorities, because this current situation is unsustainable. I refuse to be just some guy standing on a sidewalk shouting at nothing.
Just tell me straight—what about San Francisco? Is there actually anything organized happening there?

Just one last thing before I sign off. Our old-timers weren't just talking nonsense when they used to say you shouldn't pick fights with the wrong crowd. Seriously, guys, maybe listen to the veteran Bad Boys for once? It doesn't matter who’s running the club at any given moment; all that matters is that we stay on top, remain number one, and can sit back with a cold beer in peace to watch some quality football. It's that simple. The old guard has a point here—having a little more respect for tradition wouldn't hurt anyone. We can't just keep banging our heads against a brick wall like this. What is wrong with you people? Are you actually buying into this? Is this really what you want?
STOP THE HOOLIGANISM, LONG LIVE THE BREW

Jerry

I scrubbed those parts of your post because look, you’re more than welcome to share your take on things, but coming at people without even introducing yourself? That doesn't fly here. Next time, you're looking at a ban. Or, you know, just grow some balls and show us who actually thinks they have the right to call people out like that.