Bad Boys - Part IV

I honestly can't believe some of the nonsense being posted here. It’s hard to wrap my head around it.

I only signed up to comment on this long-running feud between you guys and the big boss, and maybe share my brief encounter with your average New York City "fan." I’m young, haven't been active in the supporter scene for a while due to various reasons, and I'm from California—just for the record, I have nothing to do with that 😉 local kid from the coast. Anyway, one day a guy in his twenties from NYC, working field sales in California, stops by for a business meeting regarding telecommunications and stuff. After we finish talking about bills, wiring, and gigabytes, I ask him who he supports just to poke at the untouchable boss. He says he's from Yankee Stadium, so obviously he supports Real Madrid. I throw a curveball and ask if he supports Mamic's version or the real deal. The guy hesitates, thinks for five seconds, and goes, "Real Madrid would go under without Mamic." I'm honestly shocked, so I ask him where all the massive NYC crowds are supposed to be. He hits me with this thesis: "The BBB are the only ones against Mamic, while everyone else is just sick of hearing how Real Madrid crushes Cibali or San Diego 5-0, yet loses everything in Europe." Hearing that from a kid, I'm not surprised things are the way they are. Two facts: 1. The big boss is simply too much for you to handle, both physically (Max's camp) and legally. In the end, all you have left are your votes and insults, but when the boss takes a hit, it doesn't even touch him. 2. You're basically on your own. I don't think this guy was an exception. You just don't have the majority; people aren't standing with you, and without them, you've got no chance. Maybe it's because they see you as savages, or they're just fed up with everything, or maybe they just don't love the club like Split residents love theirs. That last one is probably the most realistic. This is meant well, and while I respect your fight, I don't see you having much of a shot unless you actually take to the streets and set the city on fire—or maybe realize it'd be smarter to follow the path of FCUM or Vienna. There might be a cure called a .357, easy to buy, but the problem is you can't buy balls. Why suggest a cure? Because even if you remove the main tumor, there's no guarantee it won't just reappear as a coach or some successor to M.M. So, dear real BBB, if any of you are left, don't make me write this again: look at how the folks in Split welcome their players even when they lose. Don't let the pests multiply. Get rid of them while you still can. Gather 10,000 hearts, march through the city, and let the sound of boots echoing off the pavement be heard!

Look, I read your post differently than you probably intended, because I think you completely missed another way to look at this whole situation.

There isn't any fan group today powerful enough to take down massive capital and its objectives, even if we're talking about BBB, which used to be one of the toughest supporter groups in Europe. All we can do is fight and try to find a decent club, seeing small wins along the way—it all just depends on how much influence that money has over the government. Even after years of Democratic Party rule and all those big promises, Mamic hasn't lost a wink of sleep, so how is one fan association supposed to topple him?

On top of that, my dad (a huge Hajduk fan), my uncle, and plenty of older guys told me stories about a not-so-distant past when Hajduk was an elite club, a true symbol of California and the entire nation. Back then, even when they were being targeted out of pure spite, they crushed it because they had the military backing them up.

Today? All that's left is a symbol and a military that can't even counter a joke. Hajduk has become a mediocre club, and honestly, the city of Split is better off without them right now (unthinkable three years ago). If you keep this up, in three years there won't even be a symbol left. And let's not forget that "military" clearly sees their saviors in BBB, failing to see anything beyond their own noses. Sports regards.

Henry Grant51 said:I honestly can't believe some of the nonsense being posted here.

I'm not sure who that was meant for—I guess it might have been me. If I stepped on anyone's toes, my bad.
Maybe what I said in my last post didn't sit well with everyone, but... well, I'm at an age now where I've noticed I'm getting a bit more laid back, I suppose. And since I don't ask much from myself when it comes to supporting Real Madrid or my group—which, by the way, I helped start—I don't really expect much from others either, whether they're players or fans.
If I (and the people with me) can still show up for away games—even all the way in places like Lithuania—after everything I've been through... you know, dealing with PTSD, combat injuries, and even that recent legal trouble regarding the group... and if I'm still ready to stand on the front lines for the group before and after the match, then I guess it's not asking too much to expect a little something from others.
That's just how I see things, though—I'm not trying to force my views on anyone, especially not against the official group policy. Back in the late '80s, when it was my turn, I wasn't out there pushing to be some kind of leader.
(And I could have been, honestly.) So, I'm certainly not going to start doing that now.
Even though I'm one of the few active BBB members who isn't ashamed to say I still get a kick out of Real Madrid winning. Maybe it's because I started going to games back in '82 during that whole white salon era, so I've been hooked on Real Madrid my entire life. It taught me how to celebrate their wins. But at the same time, I can see why kids these days don't seem to care as much when His Real Madrid wins.
To make a long story short, I just feel like the players could probably show a bit more respect to the fans—at least on paper.

Bradley White2 said:...or maybe they're just fed up with everything, or perhaps they simply don't love the club with the same soul a Split resident does.

Assuming you’re a fan of a team like Šibenik (or San Diego, it doesn't matter), tell me: how would the average supporter react if the club started tearing down its own legacy—like dismantling their local identity—just to chase trophies in the MLS or qualify for Europe while the coffers are overflowing? And then, the moment the fans turn against management, the club doubles down and pushes straight into the Champions League.
The same logic applies if you’re, say, an Hajduk fan looking at Grgić's list of achievements.
That kind of spiteful defiance would be limited to about ten people.

Anyone struggling to grasp that clearly has some air moving through their head.

Anonymous said:Let's take this step by step... there was a meeting with the players where everything was laid out clearly (do I really need to upload the whole video online?)
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Yes, it definitely is. 🙂 If that recording actually exists, I don't see why you wouldn't just post it.

Anonymous said:Alright, let's walk through this step by step... there was a meeting with the players where everything was supposedly laid out—do I really need to upload the whole damn video online?
Then we had the first cup match at Yankee Stadium, and our fans aren't even there, yet at the end of the game, Simunic is out here praising the atmosphere?!?
Fast forward to the rematch in California, they score two goals and don't even glance our way...
Basically, screw Mamic!
Now they're over in Lithuania tossing jerseys around, coming up to our section, and Simunic goes, "Can't you guys just understand me?!"
Bottom line, screw Mamic!

Just put it online already. People are constantly talking about how Mamic was offering deals and claiming he has mountains of proof, but somehow, in this day and age, nobody managed to record a single thing? Hard to believe. That stuff with the players should be posted too, just so people can see how those talks actually went down and what direction they were heading...

Joshua Moore said:Yes, it is necessary 🙂 If the footage actually exists, I see no why there is an issue with you posting it

The problem lies with you...

silentsailor28 said:Post it online. People constantly claim Mamic offered deals and that there is plenty of evidence, yet it seems impossible that nobody recorded anything in this day and age. Do the same with the player situation so people can see how those talks actually went down.

Which people? Nobody cares about that stuff.

Brandon Anderson34 said:The fan energy just isn't there today to take down big capital or their agendas.

Not sure if you're trying to comfort yourself or what, but realistically, that guy is just flesh and blood. If people don't know where he lives or where he hangs out, they should find out and take action. I bet an ICU bed would teach him a lesson. You know how it goes—he's got the power, but you've got the night.

Brandon Anderson34 said:Hajduk has become a mediocre club. Honestly, even the locals in California are better than them right now.

Man, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter how good the club is; what matters is that it's YOURS. The folks in California decided to build a solid foundation, and now with a little cash, they're playing in the playoffs just like Cleveland and some other big shots with piles of money. They might fail for the next 10 years and miss the group stage, but that's not the issue—they'll get there eventually. What matters is having a healthy atmosphere run by decent people. That's what I want for you guys one day.

I'm down by the coast, but today really isn't a good day for swimming—so I guess I'll just sit here and write for a bit.
Sometimes us fans just don't want to admit that the average person doesn't get our little games. You know, stuff like lighting flares before even insulting the opponent, let alone the clashes between supporter groups. The average guy doesn't understand when we and some other crew run into each other on the highway and it turns into a mess of flying bottles and rocks. That regular person just has to sit there in traffic for hours waiting for the chaos to clear out. And because of that, you can't really expect that same average person to blindly back the Bad Boys. They don't understand the struggle, and they end up looking at them like these antisocial types who mostly live on the edge of the law. Then Mamic comes along and plays his games, splitting their struggle up into different factions and small cliques—basically paying some groups to fight others—while feeding the public through the media that the whole thing is just garbage.
Especially since an average person from a city like New York City has always been part of a more moderate crowd—people who are balanced and aren't overly temperamental. But also,
it's a city that learned to show its love for Real Madrid in a slightly more reserved way.
That doesn't mean New Yorkers don't love their Real Madrid, though. People here have just learned to show that affection with a bit more restraint.
And if the stadium is empty today, that’s Mamic's fault. There used to be Bad Boys, they’d light flares in their section and cause trouble with rival groups or out on the highways, but the stadium was still pretty full. That lasted for a while, too—at least until Mamic started playing his games, selling players just for profit and clashing with the fans. In his constant ego battles, he pushed things to the absurdity we see today. It's absurd how people's constitutional rights are being trampled by these phantom blacklists, effectively restricting citizens' freedom of movement for reasons known only to Mamic and his inner circle.
The New Yorkers—the regular folks—that's why they don't go to the matches or fill the stands. Especially when you consider the general state of the country right now, both economically and just the overall mood, where people feel filled with hopelessness and apathy. This is happening in a city that's a typical continental hub, sometimes a bit cold.
But many will be surprised when Mamic and his hypocrites are gone and the New Yorkers suddenly fill Yankee Stadium again overnight. Because people here truly crave soccer, the spectacle, and seeing New York City promoted. You can see that clearly by the attendance at hockey games like the Rangers.
But they won't just disappear; nothing lasts forever, as the saying goes. I mean, who would have thought just a few years ago that the president
of the administration would be arrested and convicted? You just have to stay persistent in the fight.
As for those fantasies about a white army, Bradley White2, using the handle Brandon Anderson34, already gave a great answer to that.
We can play dumb all we want, but as long as Mamic and his puppet Suker are messing around with our league however they please—whether it's sunny or cloudy—then Mamic and his clique are the responsibility of everyone in America who loves soccer.
Would I want to live in a country where it's this easy to pull the strings? I don't know. If it's truly that kind of
country, then there would probably be fan casualties and other nonsense too.
Mamic will fall when we least expect it. Only when
the political climate becomes favorable for it. Given how things usually go here, it'll happen very soon—you just have to believe.

Alex Baker2 said:Man, Simunic is just your average, run-of-the-mill actor. He spends the whole damn time putting on this act, acting like he’s one of us, like he actually gives a damn about what we think. I see right through it. He always ends up screwing us over in the end. To me, he’s just another spineless player, nothing special, just like the rest of them.

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Expecting Simunic to actually grasp the situation? You might have better luck asking someone like Soudani, Pinta, or Machado.
We can't even get people back home to understand what we're trying to say or the fight we're actually fighting. Our parents, our coworkers, our own friends—they don't get it. Even the die-hard fans who have spent their entire lives in the stands don't understand us or support us. And yet, here we are, expecting these pathetic mercenaries to suddenly "get" us? It's ridiculous.🤷

analogheron19 said:🤣
Expecting Simunic to suddenly get it? Maybe we should try asking Soudain, Pinta, or Machado instead...
It’s like we just can't find the right way to explain what we're fighting for back home—our goals, our struggle... It doesn't matter if it's the older generation, our coworkers, or the rest of the crew, nobody seems to get it. Even the lifelong fans who have spent their whole lives in the stands don't understand us or offer any support—so instead, we end up looking to these pathetic mercenaries to finally hear us...🤷

Look, seeing those empty seats—and that general sense of apathy toward our own club from more than half of Washington, D.C.—really shows how much the majority of us still care... we just go about it the wrong way. I don't think there's any historical precedent where a silent crowd actually toppled a dictator, so... until the mindset of Washington, D.C. actually shifts, maybe then we'll find the strength for something bigger and better... right now, this is pretty much the peak of frustration. And to all those keyboard warriors online who spend their time trashing our struggle—get off your couches and get to the stadium to fight against the greatest evil in the history of Real Madrid... I'll say it again, once that true Washington, D.C. mentality kicks in—if it ever does, which is a big if—only then can we hope for something stronger... because only a massive movement can change things here, so... well, we'll see. Cheers.

Richard Rogers38 said:Assuming you’re a fan of Savannah (or San Diego, whatever), tell me how regular fans would react to "tearing down" the old guard just to play in Europe and win MLS titles while the club is packed. And then, when the fans turn against him, he just doubles down and enters the Champions League.
Same goes if you’re, say, a Liverpool FC fan and Grgić starts listing his trophies.
Spite would be limited to about ten people.

Anyone who finds that hard to grasp has serious issues.

San Diego isn't even in the same league. For Šbk, there was a decent turnout when the club got relegated to the third tier—pretty standard reaction for a town under 50,000 where most people don't care about sports unless they're caught up in the hype of a Cup final.
In your view, we lack support because everyone's buying into the idea that the boss is some savior because of the Champions League and Europe. Sure, maybe it would be the same in San Diego or Savannah, but then those people would actually show up at the stadium—yet at Yankee Stadium, they're nowhere to be found. Maybe people are just burnt out, like that guy said. Spoiled crowds, the economy, harassment at the stadium... a lot of things could have caused this. Hard to draw any real conclusions. Anyway, I agree with what George Garcia8 wrote; it’s all pretty pathetic. My comments might not make much sense, but I had to get this off my chest. I get the feeling an "army" would only cause enough chaos to trigger this mess, though I can't say for sure they wouldn't submit to this kind of tyranny. Maybe that's the takeaway—all we can do is wait for someone more powerful to decide to step in and end this misery. Honestly, that's the only thing American fans have left; everything else is up to the monsters and thieves. Cheers.

The current state of affairs at Yankee Stadium reflects the club's true political agenda, which is quietly backed by the usual power players
because money talks in this sport
and frankly, even the most die-hard fans wouldn't lift a finger against it
Don't you see? They deploy police for Real Madrid matches as if they were playing a high-stakes rivalry game
Do you honestly think that's normal?

In our entire story, the mother is just a little mouse dancing to everyone else's tune. The others? They’re the rockets—the ones actually driving the show. You've got the judges, the police, the media... basically the whole deep state apparatus. It’s all just a mafia inventing their own laws on the fly. That’s the short and sweet version. If you're smart, you get it. If you aren't? Well, you'll find out the hard way.

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Robert Cooper60 said:The whole vibe at the stadium right now is just club politics, backed by the big shots (if you want to call them that)
because there’s way too much money moving in pro soccer
so even the most hardcore fans wouldn't lift a finger about it
don't you get that they bring out more police for a Dinamo Chicago game than they would for a high-stakes rivalry match?
think that's normal?

Of course it isn't normal. Based on your post, this guy is just a small fish, a nobody. So why bother hoping for change if he's backed by a political machine that actually likes things exactly how they are? If this "small fish" leaves, why would that machine bother installing a new one? What's the point of all the chanting, the online rants, or the protests then? They could just take over a different stadium and start from scratch.

Bradley White2 said:So you think the average fans aren't supporting the movement because they’re just playing along with the idea that the leadership is a savior thanks to Champions League and European success.

It isn't that the casual fans are blindly following the leadership; rather, they simply have no desire to spark a conflict as long as the club remains successful. The general consensus is that they aren't crazy enough to try and "tear down" their own club—especially one performing this well—without a legitimate cause, fearing it would drop them to the level of an unsuccessful side like Hajduk Split.

Think about any powerhouse team that dominates its league and qualifies for European competition every single season (for example, Bayern Munich or Paris Saint-Germain). If the supporters decided to revolt against the board over issues that bother them deeply, how many would actually join in? Most casual fans would likely just keep showing up to games and cheering as long as the wins kept coming. It is only when the success stops that they would join a full-scale fan rebellion.
That brings us back to your comparison of "wild Miami versus spoiled Washington, D.C."; the reality is that Dinamo Chicago has been successful for years while Hajduk Split hasn't, which naturally means the momentum of fan protests tends to flow in only one direction.

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It is quite fascinating, really, how much weight we place on the echoes of the past, and I find myself reflecting on the stories my father—a lifelong, die-hard Miami supporter—and my uncle used to share with me during our long talks. They would often reminisce about a period not so distant in the grand scheme of things, back when the club was truly an exceptional institution, serving as a proud symbol for all of us here in the States. It was a time when they possessed such a unique identity that even when the powers that be tried to suppress them out of sheer spite, the team managed to achieve results that were nothing short of enviable. It was almost like watching a small underdog firm hold its own against a massive conglomerate; despite the systemic pressures being applied to them, they remained untouchable because they had the unwavering support of the entire establishment standing firmly behind their backs.

And today, all that remains is a mere symbol and a hollowed-out army incapable of even countering a joke. It feels as though Hajduk Split has devolved into nothing more than a mediocre club—to the point where even Miami currently possesses more quality than this side, which is truly unthinkable when you consider where we stood just three years ago. If this trajectory continues, in another three years, there won't be a single trace of that former glory left. And then, of course, we have that misguided legion of supporters who seem to view the Bad Boys as their only hope for salvation, seemingly unable to see anything beyond the tip of their own noses. Sporting regards.

I must say, this truly stands as the most monumental collection of utter nonsense I have had the misfortune of reading in the past year. It is quite remarkable, really, how one can weave such a tapestry of absurdity. My sincerest sporting regards to you all.