How long does it take for the site to be back up?

I’m honestly wondering just how much longer we’re supposed to

tolerate this kind of blatant disrespect and constant off-topic nonsense... I notice whenever I try to respond, my posts just vanish into thin air, yet his comments stay up perfectly fine while he keeps picking fights with everyone else on the board without seeing any actual moderation...
maybe just put some kind of warning label under his name or something, just so people actually know what they're getting into before they engage...

Could you please be a bit more specific about what exactly your complaint is?
You’ve been around here long enough to know how the process works. First, you report the post using the little triangle icon. If nobody has stepped in to handle it after roughly twenty-four hours, you can send a private message to the moderators to ask about getting it cleared, or you can just come back here. If you choose the latter, just make sure you provide a direct link to the specific post or posts in question—not just a link to a user's profile—and then formally request the moderation action.

So I report, and I report again, only for the post to get deleted, and then the exact same thing pops up right back under a different thread or just goes completely off-topic...
By this point, the person in question should have earned enough points just to cover the cost of a single bag of ice for some cardboard coolers...

I might drop a few quotes here and there just to highlight the kind of communication style that most people on the forums find pretty grating (unless, of course, we decide to make it mutually acceptable)...

Look, the forum members don't get to decide who gets sent to the timeout corner. And no, moderators don't have to drop a formal response to every single little report that comes in. That's just part of the job—it's all based on the moderator's discretion. Honestly, I wouldn't say you guys have exactly pioneered a better way of doing things or changed the tone either. Plus, we don't do public call-outs or "accounting sessions" on the threads; labeling someone a troll isn't allowed here.

boldwalker12 said:The users don't decide who gets a cooling-off period. And no, moderators aren't required to drop a formal warning on every single post. It’s all up to the discretion of the moderation team. Honestly, I wouldn't say you've exactly set a different tone here either. Keeping score in a thread or labeling someone a troll just isn't allowed.

Since when did sarcasm become trolling??? Is this site only meant for feminist opinions now?

If users don't see any actual results from their reports, they naturally assume the moderation team simply doesn't care—or worse, that this behavior is being tacitly permitted. That leads to a logical breaking point: if he’s allowed to call me out, why should I bother calling him out?

There’s a guy blowing off steam across three different threads because his own life is a disorganized mess—look, some of us aren't exactly geniuses, and we didn't come here to take a masterclass in logic, but if the moderator won't step in to stop the verbal abuse, why should the users sit there and take it without reacting? 🤷

He isn't the only one getting a free pass; he's just the one making headlines right now.
Honestly, he's almost decent—he just yells too much. There are others who are far more blatant with their insults across the forums and even over on social media, yet nobody says a word because apparently, they're all "charming" in their own unique, toxic way. 😬

Just hit the ignore button and move on. In principle, that's really your only move when you realize someone is being allowed to just trash everyone else.

Let’s be specific—nimbletinker10 seems to be his personal thorn in the side, someone he feels the need to call out constantly:

He’s addressing her here: Feb 27, 2014, 12:30 PM

Then, just a day later, she’s suddenly "boring."

And here, he’s being provocative...

In this one, he claims nimbletinker10 is acting aggressively—and as for his comments regarding "maturity," let’s be real, that’s just an insult:

On a completely different thread (), he actually asked a woman for advice on washing machines. She told him she owns a Miele and is absolutely thrilled with it, and now the guy won't stop talking about the brand. It all started back when he was whining about how he $2833 can't afford to live in his own apartment because money is just vanishing. Some people told him he was being irresponsible, others offered suggestions—I think even nimbletinker10 gave him a few solid pointers—but the guy chronically fails to grasp the concept of shared living. When anyone tries to explain it to him, no matter how helpful the advice is, he immediately goes into this defensive crouch, acting like he's being attacked or just wasn't understood 🤣

It’s just the same loop over and over.
First, it was the money issues—complaining about not having a million-dollar house (which is incredibly expensive to furnish these days)—and then people told him he'd messed up...

Now, he's arguing here about which vacuum cleaner is better, just so he can claim that he ACTUALLY has plenty of cash but "needs to save, because you never know."

In another thread earlier, he mentioned his wife is pregnant and they need to buy gear for the baby, implying they're broke.

And yet, he also mentioned that she’s actually the one managing the funds (even though here he’s talking about joint accounts)

Basically, it feels like trolling. Because if you don't have money, you don't have money—you don't suddenly manifest $25,000 in your bank account and then keep insisting you can't afford a washing machine while obsessively clinging to the Miele brand. He didn't even ask *why* Miele—just "it's expensive"—and nobody told him he HAD to buy it. Plus, picking fights with people is getting tedious to watch. It isn't a case of "I'm trying to understand," it's more like "You're different, therefore you're wrong."

Here, after my countless explanations (yeah, I know, I'm an idiot, I actually thought he was genuinely interested), he's twisting my words regarding what I consider selfish:

Simultaneously, he's throwing shade at me, claiming people with separate bank accounts are selfish, while mocking nimbletinker10's views on privacy.

He keeps repeating like a parrot that he doesn't see the point of separate accounts, but no explanation is ever good enough for him.

But he definitely goes after nimbletinker10:

I don't know why he's targeting nimbletinker10 like this; publicly, it looks like he's obsessively fixated on that Miele washing machine—the very one HE asked about in the savings thread.
That is what's truly bizarre and honestly exhausting. Like, seriously, how much longer is this going to go on? 🤷

As for my own experience... I don't know, maybe it’s because I didn't go easy on him in his DMs when he was insisting—quite loudly, I might add—that everyone participating in this budget thread was basically an idiot who had never lived a day in the real world. Ironically, the community actually stepped up with some incredibly solid advice and ideas. I thought he was being relatively chill on the sub-forum at first, so I didn't bother tracking who was who or who had been part of these circles longer; I just tried to tell him to take it down a notch and that people actually *want* to help since they have actual life experience. It was all for nothing.
And then this whole thing spilled over into the other thread.

Look, I have zero issue with someone disagreeing, being uninformed, or simply refusing to learn. What I *do* have an issue with is the constant jumping at people with ad hominem attacks. He targeted me once or twice, sure, but regarding nimbletinker10, he became downright exhausting. Other people mentioning they have separate bank accounts didn't seem to trigger him nearly as much—if they hadn't, this wouldn't be such a massive outlier.
And that "you have money, you don't have money" bit? Yeah, it reeks of trolling.

I haven't seen what was scrubbed from Richard Lewis16's posts so I can't say what was actually there, but I'm referring to what's left on the screen.

Even if he did get a warning via DM from the moderation team about resorting to personal attacks, clearly it didn't stick.

I originally came here for a topic I actually care about, but I caught wind of this and realized I wasn't the only one feeling the pressure from his constant twisting of words—both mine and others'. I sent in a report, but I didn't see any real response to that specific thread. Honestly, I can't even remember which specific post it was anymore; he's on my ignore list now, and quite frankly, I don't feel like opening his stuff just to remind myself why I clicked the "ignore" button in the first place.

When I finally asked him to actually quote me—since he kept flipping my statements around—he just went silent...

That was the moment I concluded that—in my opinion—he's just a troll, not a legitimate participant in a debate.

Honestly, this isn't even a discussion anymore; it's more like... whatever you want to call it. These are links from the last few pages, but his blatant intolerance for anything that doesn't align with his worldview pops up constantly. You won't miss out on the drama, though; there's plenty more of that in the budget thread.

For instance, right at the start, he claims people are starving and only surviving on handouts from their parents:

And then he starts mocking anyone who says they can manage on those (lower) amounts, implying "only people with Mom and Dad's help can survive on that":
Which is hilarious, considering people are chiming in saying they live independently on even less than that two-person budget...

So, yeah... very riveting reading material. 😬

We don't all have to be perfectly pleasant, but IMO, basic conversational etiquette dictates that you don't twist people's words, snap at your interlocutors, or jump down their throats—especially not after spending an hour talking to someone only to suddenly brush them off with "why are you even talking to me?" or "why are you commenting on my stuff?" 🤷

It's perfectly fine if a kid knows nothing about finance. It's just getting tedious watching him flail his arms around and scream that nobody else understands anything, all while throwing insults—no matter how "classily" he tries to wrap them up. 🤷

Why all the negativity? And why reopen a thread that the moderation team closed off ages ago—wasn't it supposed to be off-limits? Besides, you're right—I wasn't looking for advice or help, nor did I actually start this thread (it just sort of splintered off on its own). I suggested a solution to this non-existent "problem" quite a while back—basically, we just need better paychecks—but after that, the thread just became a space for people to swap tips on saving money at home, so my input is pretty much irrelevant here anyway.

Well, I guess it was bound to happen eventually, since I ended up getting flagged myself🙂
I really should have seen this coming, considering I poked at certain
but whatever, the point is it just proves there are certain people who are untouchable here, while everyone else just gets their posts deleted without any real consequences

Here’s an example of a post that actually gets hit with a warning for trolling

whereas the next ones clearly aren't breaking a single rule:

And besides, this person has been caught multiple times saying things that completely contradict themselves in different threads, or calling others out for stuff they said elsewhere—all while acting like they're giving helpful advice, kind of like how nimbletinker10 operates, which also goes totally unpunished...

I get how it works, I really do, I'm just saying maybe you could introduce some kind of indicator or icon to show when someone is protected by the moderators, just to make things a little easier for the rest of us to navigate

p.s. I'm definitely not the only one noticing this pattern...

I've been stuck on my phone with barely any signal all day, so I'll keep this
brief. It’s getting ridiculous—every third time I try to engage with feraljackal2 in a sane way,
I end up getting slapped with a warning 🙂
. The guy just trolls everyone and relies on nothing but ad hominem attacks across almost
every single thread he touches.
I want to know why he’s allowed to troll me the way he’s been doing for days
now, yet my actual reaction to his nonsense gets penalized. It's pathetic how one
aggressive jerk can mess with half this entire subforum. Unbelievable.

@Richard Lewis16: You might want to realize that I’m simply not letting you get under my skin—no matter how hard you try. Honestly, I’ve lost count of how many of your posts the moderators have had to scrub. You seem to think there's some sort of win in the fact that it takes the mods a few hours to catch you, even if everyone else saw the post by then—but if that makes you feel better, go ahead. If you were actually causing tangible harm, I’d deal with you quite differently, but right now, you’re just embarrassing yourself by constantly starting these threads on PŽK. This is the second one in fifteen days; I wouldn't be surprised if a third pops up in the next two weeks unless the mods finally step in.

@nimbletinker10: Those comments weren't directed at you, and if anyone wants to judge how confrontational I am, they can just look at my post history. On the flip side, you tend to dominate every thread—like that one about parenting where, despite not having kids yourself, you somehow accounted for 50 out of the 80 comments. Even when the mods wipe all 50, you're still right back there. Then there was that finance thread, where a few women clearly stated their views on marriage differed from yours, yet you insist on painting them in a negative light just because they don't agree with you. I asked what appliance you used since you mentioned being happy with it, and you said Miele—to which I replied that while Miele is a quality brand, I prefer something I consider a better value. I explained my reasoning: Miele costs $3.25, whereas an Electrolux offers similar features for $1333, or perhaps a Bosch 5000 series—I'd lean toward the latter.

Now this thread has turned into another place for personal attacks, lies, and twisted facts. I purposely stayed quiet on the old PŽK thread specifically to prevent this exact situation from happening. It feels like despite Ashley Evans71 mentioning at least twenty times that we shouldn't keep dragging up old topics—and I'm sure boldwalker12 has said it several more times—some users just keep doing it, and it seems they'll get away with it. So, they'll likely do the same thing again in fifteen days. :/

This is also my EOD—at least, unless the mods decide otherwise.

Richard Lewis16, we actually moved the budget discussion into its own separate thread because feraljackal2's specific situation doesn't really have anything to do with it. We’ve tried to steer the conversation away from him multiple times and issued plenty of warnings, too. When neither those redirections nor the deletions worked, we started handing out bans—and it wasn't just you; several other users got hit as well.
I guess I don't quite see why you think the exact same behavior would be tolerated in a different thread.

You received a ban for insults, and honestly, you aren't the only one who's been banned on the current thread lately.

The moderation team can't stay glued to the forum 24/7. While we work through all the reports you guys submit, feel free to use the ignore feature if other users and their opinions are getting under your skin.

So, from what I can gather, I’ve been slapped with a warning for trolling?
And honestly, I’m not even trying to hide it, nor am I sitting here complaining about the penalty itself...

In that other thread, I wasn't even being that aggressive, I just wanted to point out that someone attacking others by claiming they're still on their parents' payroll—while simultaneously doing the exact same thing themselves, according to what was said in that discussion—is a bit rich, if you ask me...

Then there's that constant aggressive tone toward everyone else, the twisting of words and all that nonsense, though I know I'm not the only one who's noticed it...

The real issue, though, is that certain people who are constantly lying, baiting people, and dragging the conversation way off track with talk about grocery carts or washing machines and stuff like that... they don't seem to get penalized at all.
Plus, there are those childish threats being thrown around right here too...

feraljackal2 said:If you were actually causing me some kind of real harm, I’d have dealt with you easily,

Yet, this same individual is out here posting my private information on the forum, and I haven't seen any serious consequences for that whatsoever...
Not that it matters much, I suppose, because we're clearly dealing with someone who lives to lie, so most people probably don't take them seriously anyway... they're only brave behind a keyboard while they're hiding behind a screen...
It shouldn't be such a struggle for the moderation team to just count up how many comments have been deleted; they could easily do that if they actually wanted to...😉

Look, nobody is untouchable here. I honestly don't even know how to respond to such a vague, nonsensical mess.

Also, there’s one thing you all need to wrap your heads around, because it seems like a lot of people are missing the point—we don't moderate based on what you want
Just because you feel like something is "this" or "that" doesn't make it a reality. That’s just your opinion. Filing a report doesn't automatically mean someone gets a strike.

I don't see any actual issue here at all.
If we didn't react fast enough—according to your standards, anyway—that isn't a valid excuse to put on this ugly little drama over on PŽK. You shouldn't be making a huge deal out of some PDFs that aren't even an issue; if anything, the discussions have been pretty high-quality lately.

And if you think you can achieve your goal of getting rid of anyone who disagrees with you or settling your personal petty squabbles through us, forget about it. I'll say it again: we don't moderate based on your personal wishes.

It feels like you aren't moderating based on what we actually want, but rather on what you personally prefer. Just because a moderator decides something is true doesn't make it a fact.

Protecting forum members isn't some imaginary concept—nor is taking someone to task. Remember back during the Trkel incident? Those same complaints weren't considered "nonsense" then; now that you're in a mod position, suddenly they are?

You don't even need to reply to me—this is purely rhetorical. Everything I wanted to know has been laid out right here in black and white.

If what Richard Lewis16 did was just trolling, then every time people jump on feraljack2's bandwagon to target nimbletinker10, it counts as trolling too, at the very least.

And if you punish the person defending themselves while coddling the aggressor, well, it’s pretty logical to conclude there's favoritism at play. Either arguments can be settled without stepping in, or when you do step in, the intervention has to be fair.

Picking a side and punishing them while the other party does the exact same thing—or worse—isn't okay. I mean, that should be pretty obvious...

There’s honestly zero point in dragging this out into the next century by constantly attacking other forums. As far as I'm concerned, I’ve said my piece—everything is out in the open and crystal clear now.

If the mods feel the need to weigh in on this whole situation, go right ahead. The moderation team already laid it all out for you and doga, who seems hell-bent on policing every single thread about ŽuD and turning one little duplicate warning about staying away from Guud's story into some massive legal case.

@feraljackal2, I honestly don't understand why you're constantly allowed to lie. And apparently, the moderators are just letting it slide too.
I haven't even posted 50 times in any single thread out of my total 80 posts—something the mods are well aware of. Actually, everyone knows that, including you.
It’s not like 50 of *my* specific posts were deleted 🙄 from one thread; the logs clearly show that those deletions were applied to everyone collectively.
You're trying to twist the facts about individual threads in the exact same way. It's a pattern.
Besides, why do you actually care where I post or why I post there?
Just leave me alone, plain and simple. As far as I'm concerned, this is the last time I'm addressing you.
If you keep dragging me through different threads like you have been over the last few days, I expect the moderators to step in and take action.

Just because you all think something is one way or another doesn't make it a fact. That's just your opinion. A report doesn't automatically mean someone gets a strike.

Hmm, but that exact same logic applies to you. Every "opinion" is just that—an opinion. Your perspective could be dead wrong; anyone can misjudge a situation.
But your little phrasing doesn't suggest that's how things work here.

nimbletinker10 said:@Guud, honestly, I have no idea why you constantly get away with lying. Especially when the mods just let it slide.

We still don't have a specific penalty for being shamelessly dishonest. If we did, half the people here would be grayed out by now.
So, maybe skip the accusations of lying—it’s not going to fly on Zapatistas.
Same goes for trying to pick fights.
The whole point of this place is to actually discuss things, not to go at each other's throats or take weird pleasure in dragging others down.

If you keep dragging my name through the mud in different threads like you have lately, I’m expecting the moderators to step in.

And they will. But that goes both ways. You can't just label people "trolls" or start beefing with them just because you think they're lying. Period. Drop it.

Hmm, but you could apply that exact same logic to yourself. Every opinion is just that—an opinion. Your take could be totally wrong; anyone can mess up their assessment. It's just that your phrasing doesn't really reflect that.

Fair enough. I'm far from perfect. That’s exactly why I hopped over to the other thread to offer a compromise; I get that this debate matters to you guys, and I’m willing to move posts back where they belong.
But there’s a massive difference between making a suggestion, offering a compromise, and issuing a demand—like, "you have to do this because I told you so," regardless of whether you're a mod or not. It doesn't work like that. We're polishing the PDF here while respecting your input, but at the end of the day, the final call on who's breaking the rules is ours.