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Anyone seen Philomena (2013)?

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Participants Mark Lee4Jamie Turner80Patrick MartinMichelle Ward4Melissa Collins6Rachel Ortiz33Michelle Long6quietbison86Austin Hill6Benjamin Howard2Linda Ross66
Mark Lee4 Mark Lee4 MemberOP
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The story is based on Martin Sixsmith's book, 'The Lost Child of Philomena Lee,' which chronicles Philomena Lee's fifty-year search for her son.
It earned four Oscar nominations.

I was actually pleasantly surprised by this one. I’d love to see it take home at least one Oscar, though the competition this year is pretty stiff.
To be honest, the film hit me quite hard emotionally.
The casting is excellent. Judy Dench 👍
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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This is a true story, so much so that even the names remain unchanged. It follows the unfortunate fate of Philomena Lee, a woman who spent a significant portion of her youth in a convent for "wayward girls" in Ireland, and her subsequent search for her lost son decades later. Do not let the premise mislead you; this isn't some saccharine melodrama from Hallmark, but rather a meticulous and original film that interrogates one of the greatest scandals involving the Catholic Church in America.
Philomena is a simple person—naive, straightforward, and surprisingly willing to forgive the nuns for how they treated her. She finds contentment in modest pleasures, such as simulated hospitality, romance novels, and mindless television, driven by a singular desire to discover what became of her son and whether he is alright. Martin, conversely, is an intellectual disillusioned with religion; he is deeply embittered, cynical, and perhaps even a bit snobbish. His motivation lies in exposing the shameful practices of the Church while simultaneously proving his own worth as a journalist—a reporter who, despite his claims, isn't particularly drawn to "small human stories."
While Philomena's screenplay may not be spectacular, it is firmly structured and expertly written, easily holding its own in the race for an Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay. The film offers a smooth, fluid journey through various genres, shifting seamlessly from class comedy to a search thriller, and finally into serious drama from one scene to the next. Steve Coogan, acting as both actor and screenwriter, has clearly made a concerted effort to temper the presence of his earlier, largely comedic roles. This does not mean the film lacks humor—there is plenty, ranging from the obvious to the lowbrow and occasionally the offensively sarcastic—but most of those lines are delivered by Martin, a character Coogan essentially wrote for himself. Ultimately, however, the film possesses only one true star: Judy Dench, who also earned an Oscar nomination. We are accustomed to seeing her portray formidable intellectuals or women in positions of absolute authority. She has played Queen Victoria and Elizabeth II, as well as the formidable M in the Bond franchise. The role of Philomena Lee is atypical for Dench, yet she approaches it with precision and respect, avoiding any cheap parody of a kind, simple, and naive older woman.
Philomena doesn't stand much of a chance in the Oscar race; it serves primarily to fill the "international quota." Furthermore, it doesn't break new ground in the realm of cinematic art. None of this implies that the film is poor or derivative—quite the opposite. Philomena is one of the finest films of the year, offering a deeply sincere, intelligent narrative and a careful performance. It provides a proper treatment of a massive, uncomfortable, and grave subject. Philomena is a film with conviction; it does not pass judgment lightly, but it presents the naked truth and offers a commentary on it with full legitimacy.

more at:
http://film-na-dan.blogspot.com/2014/02/philomena.html
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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Absolute masterpiece. You know that feeling where you're just glued to the screen, practically vibrating because you can't wait to see what happens in the next shot? That's this movie right there.
On the surface, everything looks so effortless and straightforward, but honestly, that’s the hardest part to nail—just making things feel smooth and natural.
In reality, behind that "easy" look is an insane amount of technical skill, killer organization, and a total obsession with the little details.
Seriously, major props to Stephen Frears for pulling this off!

The message of the film... man, it hits you right in the gut. It stays stuck in your throat like a swallowed piece of dry bread.

☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

If it had been just a tiny bit longer, it would've grabbed that final star from me.
Mark Lee4 Mark Lee4 MemberOP
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I find the contrast between Martin and Piholen, which runs through the entire film, quite compelling.

"I want you to know, I forgive you." Sixsmith reacts with predictable shock, questioning how such forgiveness could come so easily. Philomena’s response? "Who said it was easy?" She follows it up with a firm declaration: "But I don't want to hate people. I don't want to be like you."
Michelle Ward4 Michelle Ward4 Newcomer
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Absolutely stunning film... its greatest strengths lie in its simplicity, its seamless flow, and those raw, deeply felt performances. It’s a truly rewarding experience for anyone watching. 👍
Melissa Collins6 Melissa Collins6 Member
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Jamie Turner80 said:... That doesn't mean there isn't humor involved—sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it's low key...

I’ll check out the movie you recommended, but I'm still pushing back on the bolded part. Why bother with a literal translation of an English "low key" phrase that makes zero sense in American English? What does that even mean here? Subtle? Understated? Or would you rather write something like—Pope Francis insisted on a low key inauguration?
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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Subtle, perhaps. Something spontaneous, playing quietly in the background.
Rachel Ortiz33 Rachel Ortiz33 Active Member
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Cool movie, but honestly, that's about it.
Michelle Long6 Michelle Long6 Member
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It’s kind of a bummer that a movie based on actual events about a topic like this isn't more provocative or, you know, actually shocking. There are really only two moments like that—one at the start and one at the end—and the rest is just a decent, mild melodrama with some light touches of humor (like a bit of 🤣). I guess maybe a few Americans might feel a slight lump in their throat and think about their ancestors for a minute and a half, but that’s probably about it. It was alright, I suppose, but it definitely could have been much better. 6/10
quietbison86 quietbison86 Active Member
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I have to say, this movie caught me totally off guard—it’s such a gut-wrenching confession that I don't think anyone could just sit there and stay indifferent to it.
I mean, the whole thing is actually true, including the part about her son serving as an advisor to Bush... honestly, I had absolutely no clue about that bit.
Phil is just such a powerhouse of a woman, truly compassionate to her core. She follows her own instincts—which she feels aren't even sinful, really—but because she’s a devoted Catholic woman, she still sticks to Catholic doctrine and feels like she shouldn't have acted the way she did.
The way they use those retrospective shots and the way Phil carries the entire film... it's all in her eyes, watching everything with this sense of hopelessness, knowing full well you can't turn back the clock.
I really loved how simple the movie was, too—no flashy special effects or over-the-top tech needed.
Rating: 8/10
Austin Hill6 Austin Hill6 Member
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When everything finally hits the fan at the end and she snaps at him, saying she refuses to be like him—that she won't spend her life hating people just because it's exhausting—well, that’s exactly when the whole movie lost me. At the absolute climax, he ends up looking like the bigger villain just because he's angry about something legitimate, while the actual crimes involving those kids get sidelined? It's as if the film thinks his righteous fury is somehow worse than what they actually did to those children. Is that really supposed to be the main takeaway here? Honestly, it was a total letdown. 👎
Benjamin Howard2 Benjamin Howard2 Newcomer
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Betty Hayes10 said:The way this whole thing culminates—when she finally snaps and tells him she refuses to be like him, because hating people is just too exhausting—is exactly what ruined the movie for me. At the absolute climax, he ends up looking like even more of a villain than anyone else. It’s as if the film is suggesting that his justified anger is somehow a greater sin than the actual crimes those women committed against those children. And that’s exactly where the whole movie misses the mark. That's the fundamental flaw in its logic.To was an absolute, pure disappointment. 👎

Philomena finally found what she’s been searching for her entire life: her son. She learned that he was raised in a loving home and grew up to be a happy, successful man. Honestly, that’s all she ever really wanted. Knowing that is enough to finally give her heart some peace.

Why would she ever break her own peace by harboring hatred that brings absolutely nothing to the table? It seems senseless to direct such vitriol toward a bitter, hateful old woman who is already on her way out. As someone who has remained deeply faithful her entire life—despite being profoundly wronged by those within her own church—she truly embodied the essence of the Christian spirit through the act of forgiveness. By choosing to forgive, she performed an incredibly difficult feat: she essentially took the moral high ground, humbling a person who spent their entire existence performing hollow rituals at the altar, yet proved to be a complete failure as a human being and the total opposite of everything they claimed to worship.

We shouldn't forget that the devout Philomena truly believed her actions were a sin, and she felt that the suffering she endured was entirely deserved.
Linda Ross66 Linda Ross66 Newcomer
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Finally caught this movie and man, it totally blew me away. I’d heard good things, but I didn't want to get my hopes up too high... easily one of the best things I've seen in a while.
Such a beautiful, heartbreaking story with just enough humor to keep it real. Exactly my vibe.
Judi and Steve were incredible. You seriously need to see this.

Olivia Murphy85 said:Why would she ruin her own peace by holding onto hate that brings her nothing? Especially against a nasty, bitter old woman who’s basically at death's door already. As someone who stayed faithful her whole life despite being treated terribly by her own church, she showed what true grace looks like—through forgiveness. By choosing to forgive, she actually took the high road and humbled someone who spent their whole life acting holy but was actually anything but...

This. So much. 🙏
Austin Hill6 Austin Hill6 Member
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Olivia Murphy85 said:And let's not overlook the fact that the pious Philomena truly believed her actions were a sin and that all this suffering was just her getting what she deserved.

Why does any of this matter? Are you actually suggesting she deserved to be punished?
Benjamin Howard2 Benjamin Howard2 Newcomer
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Betty Hayes10 said:Why does this matter? Are you saying she actually deserved to be punished?

Of course she didn't, not in any universe I know. It seems like you're having a hard time seeing things from her point of view. It shouldn't be that difficult to recognize that her convictions were a fundamental part of who she was and how she viewed the world. In her mind, committing a grave sin meant she deserved the consequences.

The reason this matters is that, clearly, she directed her guilt more toward herself than toward the nuns, who were simply enforcing what they considered the "higher law"—a law whose legitimacy hadn't been questioned for a very long time.

That said, we have to remember that, ultimately, she wanted her story to be told.
You can't turn back the clock, and you certainly can't undo what happened by being angry or hateful, but you can shine a light on the situation and hope that nothing like this ever happens again.
Austin Hill6 Austin Hill6 Member
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Honestly, I don't have any issue looking at things from her point of view. It’s just this endless loop where she’s always playing the victim and somehow managing to be her own worst enemy.
They can break you down until you're begging for mercy, and they'll manipulate you so effectively that you'll actually start believing the fault lies entirely with you.
It’s terrifying, really. And the worst part is that nobody ever holds them accountable because we tend to protect monsters, convinced that offering forgiveness is some kind of moral high ground or a Christian virtue.
Where did it leave someone like her? Did she ever spend a single night behind bars? Probably not. She never once felt a shred of guilt.
If Philomena was supposed to forgive anyone, it should have been herself, because no one tormented her more than she did.
But she didn't do that. Instead, she just stabbed herself in the back yet again. It really goes to show how impossible it is to flip the switch in your mind when you've been raised by a church that pushes this "forgive everyone except yourself" tactic.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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The fact that he ended up coming out as gay says way more about his beef with the church than anything else you guys are dragging up regarding Philomena.
Austin Hill6 Austin Hill6 Member
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Wait, excuse me? Are you telling me he decided to come out just to be spiteful?
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
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Betty Hayes10 said:Wait, excuse me? He decided to come out just to be spiteful?

Nah, it’s just fate playing games, honey.

Or maybe it was just a total lack of guidance growing up? Bad parenting, maybe?

Who knows, honestly... heaven only knows. ☕
Benjamin Howard2 Benjamin Howard2 Newcomer
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Betty Hayes10 said:Honestly, I don't have any trouble looking at things from her point of view. It’s a loop where she’s always cast as the victim, even though she’s arguably the one most to blame...

I agree with you in principle. Forgiveness? Please. Let's be real—I'm certainly not operating on her spiritual level, and if I were in her shoes, I'd probably end up having a heated confrontation instead. 😬

But we're talking about this in the context of the movie and Philomena's choices. Even so, I get why she did what she did. Even as an atheist, I feel it's important to understand the mindset and behavior of fanatics—both individuals and the institutions they operate under. They produce films intended to promote the core values of New Testament teachings, but unfortunately, those values aren't always reflected in practice.
In that light, Philomena chose not to let herself become a lifelong slave to hatred, especially since she was already struggling enough with her own guilt.

It's unlikely anyone will take responsibility, given how deeply intertwined the Church and the government have been in the past, which allowed these kinds of situations to happen. But hey, maybe we can prevent similar scenarios from playing out again.

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I'm not quite following the logic behind your conclusion. 😁

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