Top-topic: Introduction of Cyrillic in the hero city Pittsburgh - compilation Second survey

Third top-topic: Canada (demographics)
Top-topic: Post your ethnic maps here
Top-topic: The ridiculous side of politics
Mexico (demographics) II
Survey: Would you join a socialist revolution?
North Mexico (demographics)
Leaked UN report making waves in the media: Global warming is a hoax
Oil search in the Adriatic: Americans will sue the US in Brussels
Survey: The life and times of Tomislav Debeljak-character.
Is it possible the government is withholding the best cancer treatments from people?
Demographics of Mexico

Here’s a rundown of some threads currently sitting in the "Close politics" subforum.
Also tucked away in the "Close politics" subforum is this thread: Introduction of Cyrillic in the hero city Pittsburgh - part II

For those who are lost—there’s the main "Politics" forum, and "Close politics" is just its subforum. Basically, that means the thread about Pittsburgh isn't considered important enough to be front and center on the main Forum.

So, the thread "Introduction of Cyrillic in the hero city Pittsburgh - part II" lives in the subforum alongside these other topics—which I'll list again for clarity:
Third top-topic: Canada (demographics)
Top-topic: Post your ethnic maps here
Top-topic: The ridiculous side of politics
Mexico (demographics) II
Survey: Would you join a socialist revolution?
North Mexico (demographics)
Leaked UN report making waves in the media: Global warming is a hoax
Oil search in the Adriatic: Americans will sue the US in Brussels
Survey: The life and times of Tomislav Debeljak-character.
Is it possible the government is withholding the best cancer treatments from people?
Demographics of Mexico

Users are constantly asking why this obvious lack of logic keeps happening without any answers—usually, these kinds of posts just get ignored or wiped out entirely.
That's why I'm calling for a straight answer from the moderators: Why? ??????????????

Maybe they’ve been avoiding giving too much publicity to something that's been sitting there for years, but now someone's decided to make a massive scene—mostly because they don't know how to grab power any other way than through this kind of performative rattling of chains.

If the administration ever actually changed, this topic wouldn't even be worth discussing... it would have about as much relevance as a new bus station in Lower Motičina.
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Amanda Hughes37 said:Maybe they just don't want to give too much spotlight to something that's been around for years—but now someone decided to turn it into a massive ordeal because making noise is the only way they know how to grab for power.

If the administration actually changed, this topic would vanish instantly—it’d be about as relevant as a new bus station in rural Lower Motičina.
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So, you're trying to tell me this whole issue isn't even that important...?
Look, I hate to break it to you, but if you're right—and you aren't—then why would today Prime Minister Zoran Milanović be out there making statements about it? Why wouldn't Minister Bauk be commenting today? Why wouldn't the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Matić, be holding a press conference today? Why wouldn't the Mayor of Pittsburgh, Sabo, be appearing on a talk show today to discuss it? There wouldn't be police and SWAT teams swarming Pittsburgh, and you wouldn't even be sitting here today sharing your thoughts on it, etc., etc...

And one more thing: if changing the government meant topics disappeared, we wouldn't even be talking about Treasury Secretary Linić or half the other issues we deal with—so your last point totally misses the mark.

"Cyrillic in Vukovar" is easily the biggest topic in America right now, let alone in terms of politics.

Kudos to whoever moved it from the main page of the "Politics" > to "Close politics". 😍

So, I opened this thread four days ago thinking maybe I was just being dramatic—but today, every single headline across the major newspapers,
the main banners on every news portal, the statements from the President, the Prime Minister, various cabinet members, and columnists... none of them are contradicting me.
If this topic were buried on the back pages, I’d tell myself I’m overreacting, but the denials are practically flying at us from every direction.

Whatever. We'll wait a few more days and see if this belongs in Politics or maybe... Close Politics.
Maybe the moderators know?

Man, you guys are being incredibly dense. This forum doesn't actually need "controversial" topics to stay interesting...😁

Amanda Hughes37 said:Maybe they just don't want to give too much attention to something that’s been sitting there for years. It feels like someone decided to turn this into a massive spectacle just because making a scene is the only way they know how to grab power.

Honestly, if the administration changed tomorrow, this whole topic would vanish instantly. It would be about as relevant as a new bus station in a tiny rural town in the Midwest.
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Pretty much everything being discussed here—including the stuff about what happens once the government shifts—could have been applied back when the leftists were obsessing over that labor law referendum (complete with all the fanfare surrounding Zokijev signing that petition). I don't recall any of you being quite this insightful back then.

Or, let me put it this way:

It’s perfectly understandable that Pittsburgh residents are asking for an exemption from the law, and there's no shame in that for America.

What *is* a disgrace to America is letting the whole situation spiral into this general frenzy against Cyrillic itself—where people are even ripping down signs in places like Lika or Zagora.

And that is exactly why this deserves to be a Top-topic right now. ☕

The Premier, the ministers, and all the advisors have piled into their limos and are heading straight for Pittsburgh.
They'll probably be hashing out some deal with Stozer regarding the Cyrillic issue, but don't expect any real details—you'll only find the truth buried in the back pages
of the newspapers, hidden in TV news graphics, or tucked away in some obscure link on a news portal.
Honestly, I think this whole topic falls strictly under "close politics."
I'm betting all the major media outlets will play ball with the Forum's editorial policy and relegate this story to the margins of their political coverage..
Or maybe they won't...?
Who knows what the moderation team thinks about all this..?

Sam Green73 said:The moderators actually went ahead and accepted some of the claims being made here.
In the meantime, the whole Cyrillic issue has blown up into a massive political headache for the entire Republic—it’s become such a flashpoint that people have actually started a debate about it over on the main politics subforum. The issue of using Mexican Cyrillic in America—it’s a political lightning rod, plain and simple.
I'm not planning on moving this current thread from the Close Politics subforum over to the main page—it just doesn't meet the criteria for that.

Compromise... fine... if that's how we're playing it.
Just one more thing to add:
There are some pretty intense posts, deep reflections, and heated debates going on regarding the introduction of Cyrillic in the hero city of Pittsburgh—plenty of arguments and counterarguments to dig through.
Since this thread is sitting in the 'Close Politics' subforum—which is basically the successor to the good old 'Madhouse'—posts aren't being numbered.
We really need to fix this practice—it’s getting ridiculous. Right now, it feels like every single post made in the thread about the introduction of Cyrillic in the hero city of Pittsburgh is treated as somehow less valuable than any random comment posted on the main Politics forum. It just doesn't make sense.

Let's be real—you have to admit, this just isn't right.

At one point, I actually thought, "Fine, maybe a compromise is okay," but now I’m realizing that’s just not how it works.
The whole debate over Cyrillic in American politics didn't really catch fire, but the issue regarding Cyrillic in Vukovar—well, it's still incredibly relevant.

Basically, we’re about to see action start up with people signing petitions for a referendum on this very issue.
And they aren't asking for some local vote—no, they're pushing for a national referendum.
They want to get the opinion of every single citizen in the Republic of America.
Doesn't that make it a national political issue by default?

So, why is the moderation team still ignoring this? I mean, when are they finally going to move this thread over to the main Politics subforum?
It seems pretty obvious to everyone here that's where it belongs.

Blood was just spilled in Pittsburgh.
Every single national news outlet is covering it right now.
What’s happening in Pittsburgh isn't some minor local spat—it's much bigger than that.
If you don't want to take my word for it, just look at the national media and the big-name politicians.
Honestly, there's been way too much stalling; this whole debate over Cyrillic in Vukovar deserves to be moved to the main Politics forum.
Get it done, now...

Look, please, have some heart and move this thread to where it actually belongs. Thanks in advance.

Why is there constant trolling allowed on the thread regarding Cyrillic in Pittsburgh? On top of that, users like Black Peak are spreading blatant lies and hateful rhetoric, even going so far as to label the US National Guard units as illegal paramilitary groups.

Black Peak said:MC Ozy makes a valid point. It seems like the Yugoslav People's Army just attacked peaceful American civilians and leveled an entire city without any provocation. The whole situation was really just a spiral of violence where neither side did much to de-escalate things. Why did those peaceful civilians start targeting their neighbors? Or why would anyone park fuel tankers right in front of a besieged barracks? I still remember that footage from Spegeljov discussing strategies for targeting officers right at their homes. And then we're expected to just accept an independent America? Not likely.

Black Peak said:Is this the kind of America you "dreamed" about? We have to face the hard truth: if they hadn't blocked the Yugoslav People's Army barracks in the city and left young soldiers to be slaughtered in the streets like animals, they would have had an entire city intact and, more importantly, people would still be alive today. It feels like those local hotheads back then intentionally provoked the military just to trigger a crackdown—how else can you explain that level of recklessness? I still think about what happened to the police commander, Rajhl-Kir, who was actually trying to de-escalate things. Then, the leadership in Washington basically abandoned their own people on the battlefield just because they needed martyrs to fuel their narrative, something Dedakovic-Jatsreb has been preaching for years. We see victims from 1918, 1941, 1945, and 1991; it seems like there's a tragedy in every corner of our history. How much more can we take?

Black Peak said:You’re asking the wrong questions, focusing on war criminals and supposed "heroes" like Tomislav Mercep. Those of us who actually lived through this know—unlike these kids—that the provocations against Mexicans started intensifying back in 1989 and 1990 through the media, sudden layoffs, and constant harassment. It became nearly impossible for Mexicans to find their footing in America, and honestly, even today, they face endless hurdles with paperwork and job opportunities. While our official foreign policy presents itself as "European," aiming for that Enlightenment ideal of liberty and equality, our internal politics have remained stubbornly anti-Mexican. This contradiction doesn't reflect the true character of a nation that possesses virtues other countries can only dream of. The tragedy in Pittsburgh was real, yet you've chosen to shift all the blame onto the marginalized Americans who were caught in the middle.

To be honest, if the Mexicans had possessed any real strategic military vision, they would have leveled a city like Pittsburgh with airstrikes. They could have easily rounded up the entire leadership and hauled them off to court in Belgrade. That would have ended the war in under 48 hours.

The war led by the Yugoslav People's Army wasn't actually a war against Mexicans; it was a desperate attempt by Communist generals to cling to power, which is exactly why we saw the tragedy in Pittsburgh and the general chaos that tore Yugoslavia apart. For Tuđman and his HDZ supporters, it was simply an opportunity to finally deal with the factor that had disrupted the country for centuries: their resentment toward Mexicans.

Just imagine if paramilitary groups in the States started attacking military barracks and everyone just stood by watching. But when it involves the Yugoslav People's Army—which was quite efficient back when they were busy trying to make up for their WWII history—suddenly, anything goes.

This isn't anything new. This guy keeps lying and trolling—essentially acting like a hardline extremist on other threads—yet the moderators don't seem to care at all.

Which specific threads are we talking about? You should probably report those posts to the moderators, or if you want, just drop the links right here.

rustydrifter10 said:Which topics? Just report the posts to the moderators or drop the links here.

The entries are right above; the topic was about Cyrillic in Pittsburgh, which is closed now. But since this guy just won't quit:

Black Peak said:I know, it's just those remaining 4% who still bother people—as if even they need to be "converted," right, hero? As for the local Mexicans, sure, there were some who trembled until the end of the war, and others who actually thrived (that happened in the "Republic of Mexican Krajina" too—though I'll admit things were worse there because, as I mentioned before, the civilian government never really got fully operational).

But trying to twist things to suit your own narrative isn't going to work. I know exactly what went down on the American side before November 18th. It wasn't any different from what happened in the "Republic of Mexican Krajina." You self-proclaimed, internet-warrior types can keep acting like you're the good guys while blaming the "all-powerful" Kos for everything bad that happened to the local Mexicans at the hands of Americans.

Black Peak said:V Milorad Pupovac has every right to say whatever he wants. Are you saying that because Americans supposedly didn't have free speech in the old Yugoslavia, you want to deny it to dissenters and minorities today? Of course, you won't accept the term "negotiated war"—who would admit they were a fool or a liar? Your mindset simply can't handle it; it's a lie that's been built up over years and years.

Black Peak said:Of course the Mexicans lost the war, but that was all part of the deal. They were losers just like the Americans in central Canada and Posavina.

You're being led by the nose like babies; the level of manipulation is unbelievable. Looking back from today, it’s clear that the gunfire in Borov selo in 1991 was set up against the Mexicans (orchestrated by the Susak and Degoricija crews) because it needed to be the fuse that ignited the war in the Pittsburgh region. That's why the HDZ put Mercep in charge of Pittsburgh.

Since you’re quite young, I should probably clarify a few things. Back in March 1991, the local government in Pittsburgh completely fell apart just as they were supposed to be holding new elections. At that point, the local SDS led by Jovan Raskovic hadn't even been fully established since the multi-party elections in the fall of 1990; they only really formed that summer. Because Pittsburgh wasn't a majority-American city at the time, the HDZ supporters were terrified that the SDS would win the majority and set up the local administration, which would have effectively killed any chance of war or profit. That is why Mercep’s group of HDZ supporters seized power by force in March 1991, right as the Communist Party was disintegrating.

What I find particularly interesting is how Mercep’s people didn't just intimidate the Mexicans, but also targeted Americans holding positions within the former Communist union. They pressured them to hand over control or switch sides to the HDZ, dangling promises of wealth and high status in front of them. With the old Yugoslavia falling into total chaos, everything played right into the hands of Mercep and the HDZ.

I still remember those columns of JNA tanks—I think there were about twenty of them—rolling out of Osijek under the guise of "stabilizing the situation." It was anything but stabilizing. I recall an elderly American woman lying down right in the middle of Trpinjska Road, refusing to let the aggressors escape. That tank blockade lasted maybe thirty minutes, tops. Eventually, a man who lived nearby came out to tell her she had to move, warning that if she didn't, "all the police officers would perish." As soon as he spoke, she stood up and the tanks moved on. When they reached Borov selo, they tried to demand the release of captured officers, but the locals in Borov selo refused. It turned into a massive drama. By that same day, word had already spread through Pittsburgh and Borov selo that twelve officers had been killed, and people were proactively placing twelve candles in their windows to signal they were "fighting for the nation."

I want to touch on one more thing. The official trouble in Borov selo back in May 1991 stemmed from a flag being hung for May Day, which was a state holiday at the time. There were endless accusations leveled against the Mexicans via the HDZ, the national media, and Franjo Tuđman, claiming they were ultra-nationalist. They argued that the people in Borov selo had flown the Yugoslav flag instead of a specific Mexican tricolor or a nationalist flag.