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What are the criteria for a permanent ban appeal rejection?

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Participants Nicholas Williams7Thomas Martinez9graniteridge6rustydrifter10Daniel Ward87Sophia Thomas7Gregory ThomasDennis Jackson38rowdyranger20mistymason1
Dennis Jackson38 Dennis Jackson38 Member
34 messages
joined Feb 2011
#21 ·
Just as posts and threads filled with extreme insults toward users or general hate speech are wiped away, those same types of attacks directed at rustydrifter10, myself, or any other member of this community are scrubbed as well.

I fail to see what the controversy is here.

Now, while rustydrifter10 doesn't typically resort to such an arrogant tone—unlike you, rowdyranger20—since you’re so insistent on an answer, let me be clear: the kind of vitriol you just aimed at us simply isn't permitted. I’ll say it again: if someone were to direct that behavior toward any other user, they’d be looking at an immediate ban; there is no reason why we should be treated any differently.

That individual was removed because they truly crossed the line into much darker territory (and yes, this applies to you too, among others who seem to think this site is a playground for acting out 🙂 ), engaging in egregious insults on the platform. They were banned specifically for the systematic humiliation of others—primarily women—on the site. There really isn't anything left to debate regarding that matter.

Courtesy is met with courtesy, whereas aggression and insults are handled by applying straightforward rules. It works that way in any functional system. Furthermore, if you are attacking me from every possible angle, I have no intention of adopting some overly sweet, sugary tone, nor am I obligated to carefully curate my inflection just to ensure that someone spitting in my face doesn't feel their lack of decorum violates some high standard of integrity.

It has become incredibly bold of someone to drag up a post from before Chris's time just because a moderator gave them a hard time. If you have a legitimate grievance, file a complaint that is reasoned, civil, and timely, and you will receive an answer. We make a genuine effort to provide responses here. However, there is absolutely no obligation to respond on behalf of the tenth user who has brutally violated the rules. Additionally, since we are discussing instigating conflict, nobody should have to endure anyone's verbal abuse. Yes, wow, I used the word "abuse." Three times. Apparently, I have an arrogant tone. 🙂

That is all.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#22 ·
rowdyranger20 said:

"And now I’m just gonna go ahead and offer myself up to the mods on a silver platter."
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Your time on Reddit has officially run out.
mistymason1 mistymason1 Member
26 messages
joined Jan 2012
#23 ·
graniteridge6 said:Since this forum is basically a community where you run into the same people almost every single day, When a member of this community suddenly vanishes, I guess it's only natural that people get curious.It’s like my neighbor Peter just vanished from the neighborhood. I guess I'm wondering what actually happened to him.

Your question is incredibly important. That’s actually why I started this thread over on Reddit. We all know what kind of systems have existed where people just vanished without a trace—systems where they'd go so far as to scrub someone's very existence from old group photos.

The atmosphere on Reddit is honestly pretty terrifying. I’ve thought about just walking away from this place entirely. I don't feel like it's my responsibility to call it out, but maybe it is. If things keep going this way, we could see this kind of toxicity hitting the national level sooner than anyone thinks.

I don't get it. I've been around this forum for a long time, and I still can't wrap my head around how easy it is to permaban people. It seems like they target exactly the users who actually have an opinion—the ones asking questions, staying informed, and showing some actual intelligence. I guess they just get removed because they’re inconvenient.

I mentioned this in my intro over on Reddit, but honestly, what passed for free speech offenses back in the old USA was nothing compared to the legal nonsense we're seeing today.

rowdyranger20 said:The sheer arrogance in the posts from rustydrifter10 and Alex is something else. It’s like they’re looking down from some massive pedestal, deciding for everyone else what we should or shouldn't care about.

Everyone should take a look at Alexin’s response to my request to have that old partial removed from the LinkedIn profile—it’s probably been sitting there for over a year now. I usually consider myself someone with almost limitless self-control, the kind of person who doesn't easily lose their cool, but this time I barely held it together. I did, though. Probably to her great disappointment.

It’s kind of a paradox, really. I can barely remember why I even got it in the first place. Something about hate speech, I guess. Maybe.
Sophia Thomas7 Sophia Thomas7 Active Member
183 messages
joined Aug 2015
#24 ·
mistymason1 said:I honestly don't get it—and I've been hanging around this site for a long time—how easy it is to just permaban people. It seems like the ones getting booted are exactly the users who actually have an opinion, who ask real questions, and who are clearly intelligent and well-informed. They basically just get scrubbed because they're inconvenient.

Look, having a skeptical attitude isn't the issue. The problem is when these "highly educated" users feel the need to pivot to blatant misogyny, constantly pushing that whole "a woman isn't a woman unless she has kids" nonsense along with all their other ridiculous commentary on basically every single thread. It’s also not an issue until they suddenly act like total victims, crying, "Oh my god, you guys are fascists for calling out insults sent via DM."

At the end of the day, the appeal wasn't even handled politely.
mistymason1 mistymason1 Member
26 messages
joined Jan 2012
#25 ·
Matthew Anderson said:The questioning attitude isn't the issue, as long as the clearly educated and intelligent users here don't feel the need to resort to misogyny by constantly pushing the "women aren't women unless they give birth" line on basically every thread. It’s also not an issue when those same people don't act like total cowards, crying out, "Why are you fascists? You're just bullying me through private messages."

And at the end of the day, the complaint wasn't polite.

My request wasn't polite?

😕 😕 😕

Maybe try reading my request again, and then look at Alexin response—which was sarcastic, patronizing, arrogant, and frankly, openly hateful. All wrapped up in political correctness, of course.

I'm not even sure she was a moderator when I got partially banned from Reddit over a year ago. Doesn't seem like it. So, how is she even making decisions about this?
mistymason1 mistymason1 Member
26 messages
joined Jan 2012
#26 ·
Actually, since you brought it up, I think August Strindberg was the one who said a woman only truly becomes a woman once she gives birth.

By today’s standards, his work is pretty loaded with misogynistic views. I guess the question is, do you think we should ban his stuff now?
Sophia Thomas7 Sophia Thomas7 Active Member
183 messages
joined Aug 2015
#27 ·
mistymason1 said:So you're saying my request wasn't polite?

😕 😕 😕

Do me a favor and actually read my request again, then look at Alexin’s response. It was sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, and frankly, pure hate—just wrapped up in a nice little layer of political correctness.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't even a moderator when I got partially banned from Reddit over a year ago. If I recall correctly, she wasn't. So, how exactly is she the one calling the shots on this now?

I was just answering the question from the original post—the one "just curious" wrote regarding the user Greenlander.

We can move everything else over to "your" thread.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#28 ·
mistymason1 said:Look, just take a second to actually read my request again, and then look at Alexin's response. It’s just pure sarcasm and condescension—totally patronizing, arrogant, and honestly, blatant hate speech wrapped up in a nice little package of political correctness.

I’m not even sure she was acting as a moderator when I got that partial ban from the subreddit over a year ago. I don't think she was. So, how does she even get a say in this?

Actually, Sarah Sanders34 gave a perfectly reasonable answer. All the current mods have a hand in deciding whether to lift a partial ban or not. Just because she wasn't on the mod team when you were originally flagged doesn't mean she isn't fully aware of the reasons behind it. Honestly, the fact that you aren't even sure why it happened says more about the situation than anything else.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#29 ·
Matthew Anderson said:I was just answering the question asked in the opening post

Honestly, that question was already answered ages ago.

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