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For real, how much longer?

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Participants bluecyclist64hollowtrucker77Ethan Murphy72crimsonharbor313mistyotter35Alex Watsonloneraven25Richard Wilson4Gregory Harris2Susan Price30Michelle Wells3Charles Fox10quietdrifter3lonehawk172Daniel Ward87
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 RegularOP
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#1 ·
Exactly when will the administration decide to permit this kind of spreading of lies and the constant downplaying of fascist atrocities?

I feel like I’m seeing this for the hundredth time now—some regular on this site pushing a narrative designed specifically to equate the aggressor with the victim.

Is this supposed to be Patriot Front or Reddit?
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#2 ·
So, we're just calling that a lie now?
Because that’s your take on it, anyway...
Ethan Murphy72 Ethan Murphy72 Newcomer
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#3 ·
bluecyclist64 said:How much longer will the administration allow this kind of spreading of lies and the watering down of fascist atrocities?

I think this marks the hundredth time we've seen this exact same user push a narrative designed to equate the aggressor with the victim.

Is this supposed to be Stormfront or Reddit?

Everything he wrote is spot on. The real issue is that those hardcore Marxists would find it easier to swallow a mouthful of gravel than a single grain of truth.
crimsonharbor313 crimsonharbor313 Newcomer
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#4 ·
I have no intention of commenting on that quote
As for what follows: well, there was a lot more to the story...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 RegularOP
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#5 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:And you're calling that a lie?
Just because that's your opinion...

I directed my question toward the current administration, not the previous one, for heaven's sake...

No, it isn't a lie simply because I say so—it's a lie because it is factually incorrect. I actually welcome people bringing this up; feel free to provide evidence if you believe what was written is true. Especially regarding that claim about 5,000 German children being killed in concentration camps during the war. ☕
mistyotter35 mistyotter35 Active Member
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#6 ·
And what exactly are you implying—that the bones resting at Auschwitz belong solely to victims of the fascist regime?
Ethan Murphy72 Ethan Murphy72 Newcomer
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#7 ·
bluecyclist64 said:I directed my question toward the current administration, not the previous one, for heaven's sake...

It isn't a lie simply because I claim it is; it’s a lie because the facts don't support it. I actually welcome people bringing this up—feel free to provide evidence that proves this statement is true. Especially regarding the supposed massacre of 5,000 German children in concentration camps during the era of Yugoslavia. ☕

Just look it up online.
The simple fact that the German minority was once the largest group in the Midwest and the Great Plains, only to be completely wiped out after the war, speaks volumes. That, my friend, is a textbook case of ethnic cleansing and genocide. The fact that you find such a pattern of behavior perfectly acceptable is an entirely different issue altogether.
crimsonharbor313 crimsonharbor313 Newcomer
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#8 ·
I don't see why everyone is acting so surprised; it was bound to happen.
It's as if Alcatraz never existed and only criminals ever set foot there.
Alex Watson Alex Watson Member
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#9 ·
Ethan Murphy72 said:Just look it up online. Google it.
The fact that the German minority was once the largest group in the Midwest and the Great Plains, only to be completely wiped out after the war, speaks volumes. Honestly, that’s a textbook case of ethnic cleansing and genocide. The fact that you guys find that kind of behavior totally acceptable is a whole different level of messed up.

The ethnic cleansing of the German minority in those regions actually kicked off back in 1944 when the SS issued their evacuation orders.
☕
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
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#10 ·
It might not be definitive proof in a legal sense, but there are plenty of recorded testimonies out there.
Children among the victims of the Folksdojčer - Vladimir Geiger
There’s also this undeniable, haunting reality regarding the existence of camps specifically for children, the elderly, and those unable to work.
The paper trail actually confirms that entire German/Folksdojčer families were being funneled into these camps,
including children of all ages, regardless of how young they were.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 RegularOP
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#11 ·
loneraven25 said:It’s not definitive proof, but there are recorded testimonies.
Children among the victims of unknown - Vladimir Geiger

Nor is this exactly proof, though there are plenty of written accounts. What’s your take on that? 😉

I have as much reason to trust Geiger as I do to trust unknown. And even if it were true that 6,000 German children died in concentration camps, it doesn't mean they were being systematically murdered.
If you want to talk about terrible conditions, the lack of food, or the shortage of medicine, you can look at how my own countrymen devastated the country during that era. In the years following the war, child mortality rates were tragically high across the entire United States, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that those numbers were even higher in deportation camps. The government's objective wasn't to exterminate Germans; it was to deport them. Honestly, if their goal had been mass execution, they could have finished the job in a matter of days—why bother with the logistical nightmare of running camps at all?
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#12 ·
but then again, you don't seem to have any issues with your own integrity when it comes to bringing up those 700,000 victims at the concentration camps, do you?

good grief, man, everyone knows exactly who you are...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#13 ·
Look, I didn't just pull that number out of thin air. It came straight from that recent TV series about the FBI they aired back when everyone was talking about the KNOJ era.

But honestly? I believe every bit of it, unfortunately.
Gregory Harris2 Gregory Harris2 Newcomer
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#14 ·
And what about Judylin's avatar? Aren't dictators and mass murderers allowed to use them? What about those European Union resolutions and all that nonsense?
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#15 ·
Olivia King62 said:What about Judylin's avatar? Aren't dictators and mass criminals allowed to use those kinds of images? What about European Union resolutions and all those policies?

I believe the rule is that you can't glorify criminal organizations or illegal political factions—basically anything that openly incites things like international or ethnic hatred, which falls under the umbrella of "hate speech."

But does an avatar count as glorifying someone? If you put their face up, aren't you technically honoring them? So, theoretically, maybe yes... 😁The catch might be that the person he's honoring hasn't actually been officially labeled a criminal yet.

Honestly... seeing that image probably makes a lot of people on the Politics board feel sick to their stomachs—but who knows if that was the goal or what his actual intention even was.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#16 ·
Susan Price30 said:I don't think they should be allowed to glorify criminal organizations or illegal political factions—basically anything that openly pushes stuff like international or ethnic hatred. It all falls under that whole "hate speech" umbrella anyway.

But can an avatar count as glorifying someone? Like, if you set a specific person as your profile pic, aren't you technically boosting them? So, theoretically, yeah 😁... I guess the headache comes when the person you're showing off hasn't actually been officially branded a criminal yet.

The European Union marks the day for victims of totalitarianism, which includes everyone lost to communism.

Too bad nobody ever put Josip Broz Tito, Ante Pavelić, or that priest Jure Đujić on trial. Just because they weren't convicted doesn't mean they weren't criminals.
Michelle Wells3 Michelle Wells3 Member
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#17 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Look, just to be clear, I didn't pull that number out of thin air. It was actually in that recent TV series about the FBI.

🤣

It doesn't really matter who came up with the number, what matters is whether it's made up or not.

Oh, so you're talking about that show by Kosovac and Manjkas. You should have just said so.
Ethan Murphy72 Ethan Murphy72 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Jose White23 said:🤣

The origin story matters far less than the reality of whether the thing actually exists.

Ah, so we’re back to that whole saga involving the Mexico incident and Manjkas. You should have just said so from the jump.

It’s almost comical, really. Especially when you consider that this subject was strictly off-limits for open discussion or independent investigation for fifty years. Here is a link containing some actual sources.
https://sites.google.com/site/nemciu...---48-deo-peti
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#19 ·
Jose White23 said:🤣

It doesn't matter who cooked it up. What matters is if it actually happened.

Oh, you mean that whole series from Mexico and Manjkas. You should've just said so.

Look, I never once said it was fake.
The camps for Germans are a documented fact. As for the specific numbers, we can 🤷
argue all day.
Alex Watson Alex Watson Member
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#20 ·
loneraven25 said:It isn't absolute proof, but there are recorded testimonies out there.
Children among the victims of unknown - Vladimir Geiger

Geiger also writes about how those kids mostly died from typhus, TB, and starvation.

And if you ask me, it’s a lot like what happened to so many other children across the former country, for the exact reasons that Judolino already brought up.

As for how the Nazis were killing children all over occupied Europe... I won't even go there...

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