Bad Boys - Part IV

Everyone get to Indianapolis... and honestly, everyone in Santa Fe too.☕

Anonymous said:I’ve been sitting here staring at this video, trying to make sense of what we just witnessed, and I find myself increasingly skeptical. Is anyone else feeling this profound sense of déjà vu? It feels like we’ve seen this exact script played out before, doesn't it? The presentation itself was polished—perhaps too polished. There’s a certain level of calculated precision in how the information is being delivered that makes me wonder where the actual substance ends and the performance begins. We are being fed a narrative that seems designed to bypass critical thinking entirely. Are we really expected to swallow this without a second thought? I noticed Robert Adams6 chiming in earlier about the technical inconsistencies, and frankly, I have to agree. When you look closely at the data points being cited, the logic starts to fray at the edges. It isn't just a minor oversight; it’s a fundamental flaw in the argument. Then there is the commentary from Jeremy Torres17, which, while passionate, seems to miss the broader context of why these specific metrics were chosen in the first place. And let’s not even get started on the points raised by Thomas Flores7 regarding the regulatory implications. If we follow this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, we aren't just looking at a shift in policy; we are looking at a complete overhaul of how these standards are enforced across the country. It’s a lot to unpack. My takeaway? Don't take this at face value. In an era where everything is curated for maximum impact, perhaps a little healthy cynicism is the only rational response left to us.

Fantastic. 👍
Is everyone in Springfield accounted for? 🙂

slysailor52 said:And as for those empty seats? Blame the venue. Sometimes you’re stuck in a stadium so poorly designed that you can't even find a decent spot to grab a beer without feeling like you're tripping over someone's feet.Back in the 2008/09 season, they actually had the nerve to schedule games on Sundays. As if Sunday was just another Tuesday at the office. Now? It’s all about catering to a tiny minority of hooligans. Is that really where we're headed?

Is a stadium truly so magnificent that its mere existence becomes irrelevant to attendance numbers? Is it possible for architecture to be so flawless that it completely offsets whatever issues might be keeping fans away from the stands? 🙄🤦

The 2008/09 season was absolute chaos. Truly. How did anyone manage to make sense of it? So, he actually went ahead and banned annual passes. Can you believe that? After everything we've discussed, he just pulls the rug out from under us like that. Is this supposed to be some kind of grand strategic masterstroke, or just a blatant disregard for the people who actually keep the lights on? It’s a bold move, I'll give him that—bold, certainly, if your goal is to alienate your most loyal supporters. What exactly does he hope to achieve by shutting the door on the very people who showed up year after year? It seems less like a policy shift and more like a middle finger to the community. 🙏 I have no idea where he went. 🤦
Individual tickets were an absolute rip-off that season. $10 Heading north, then? I suppose we're looking toward the big leagues now—European competitions and seeing how Hajduk stacks up against the heavy hitters. $17.
He actually banned him for a whole year after those thirty flares were tossed onto the pitch during the Linfield match. And let’s not forget his track record—after that first league game against the Portland Timbers, he was actually considering shutting the entire stadium down.
The fans are lighting flares in the stands because management decided to bring in Hrgović. Is this really how we’re going to handle roster moves now? Chaos in the stadium just because of one signing. I’ve been sitting here staring at this video, trying to wrap my head around the sheer audacity of what we're seeing. Is anyone else feeling a bit of cognitive dissonance right now? It feels like we're watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is convinced they're driving a Ferrari. The logic being applied here is... well, let's call it "creative." If you follow the thread, you eventually hit a wall of pure absurdity. Why does it feel like the people behind this are operating on a completely different set of physical laws? It's almost impressive, in a deeply frustrating sort of way. I was reading some comments earlier—you know how it goes—and I noticed Robert Adams6 making a point that actually holds some weight, even if it's buried under layers of noise. Then you have Thomas Flores7 jumping in with that typical skepticism that, frankly, is the only sane reaction left. And of course, Jeremy Torres17 is there, adding his own flavor to the chaos. Does anyone actually believe this is sustainable? Or are we all just participating in a collective delusion for the sake of entertainment? It’s one thing to be wrong; it’s quite another to be confidently, loudly, and spectacularly wrong. It makes you wonder who is actually pulling the strings, or if it's just a case of total incompetence running the show. Any thoughts? Or should we all just go grab a coffee and pretend this didn't happen?
There were over a thousand and a half people crammed into the pit at the Lincoln Field venue. We’ve just been hit by a storm unlike anything I’ve seen in years. It was truly something else.😱 😲 What exactly was going on with that sky over Chicago all day? It felt like the clouds just refused to budge.

And then you start thinking back to everything they pulled on us over there—from those seasons where we didn't see a single day of PTO, to... $0.33 During that boycott period, you really have to look at how the team rallies its supporters the right way. They managed to get the entire stadium on their side. $13 The era of the dollar is finally seeing some serious friction. It looks like the days of easy money and predictable stability might be shifting under our feet. There’s been quite a bit of chatter lately regarding how much longer we can rely on the current strength of the greenback before the cracks start showing. Is it just wishful thinking to assume things will stay this way? Probably. We’ve seen these cycles before, where the dominance of one currency feels unshakable right until the moment it isn't. The markets are starting to sniff around the edges, questioning whether the sheer weight of the US economy can continue to anchor everything indefinitely. It's a delicate balancing act. On one hand, you have the institutional momentum that keeps the dollar at the center of the world stage. On the other, you have the mounting pressures of inflation and shifting global trade dynamics that seem to be whispering a different story. Can the Fed simply pivot its way out of this, or are we looking at a more fundamental realignment of value? One has to wonder if we are merely witnessing a temporary tremor or the beginning of a much larger shift in the economic landscape.Honestly, if they can't manage to pull off at least a 3-0 shutout by Wednesday, what are we even doing here? ☕ That is exactly what I am looking for: a club whose fans absolutely loathe my city, my team, and our supporters.
And looking ahead to next season, if things continue exactly as they are—with them constantly playing the victim and obsessing over the cargo—I want them to finish ahead of the Lakers. It’s a heavy thing to admit, especially since my heart sinks at the thought, given how much they seemingly despise us. But that is my personal wish for the upcoming season. As for my family's favorite little hobby team? I want to see them suffer through loss after loss. You know exactly what I mean. ☕

Anonymous said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvtFRQbnTuE

It’s a constant at this point! 👍

Robert Adams6 said:That's just great. 👍
Everyone in a small town like Des Moines🙂.

So you're telling me the stadium is so amazing that it doesn't actually impact whether people show up or not? 🙄🤦

Back in the 08/09 season, the managementbanned season tickets 🙏 :tognemanigdje: 🤦
Single game tickets were priced at $10 for the North Stand that year, and during European matches, they even applied it to the big teams$17.
The ban on season tickets happened after 30 flares were thrown onto the pitch against Linfield (they actually considered shutting down the whole stadium during the first domestic match against Rio de Janeiro)
Flares hitting the field because of how Hrgovic was brought inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDvQXVZ3lOM
During that Linfield game, there were over 1,500 people in the stands despitethe rare storm😱 😲that had been battering the skies over Chicago all day long.

And then when you look back at everything they did to us (from the season without season tickets to $0.33during the boycott), and you see how this club calls its fans, it’s clear they do it the right way... the whole stadium $13 so I hope they can pack it at least 3:0 this Wednesday☕. That’s what I want for a club whose fans hate my city, my team, and my supporters.
Next season, if those guys from Rio and the cargo haulers keep doing things their way, I want them to be ahead of the New York Yankees, even though it pains me to say it since they hate us. That’s my personal wish for next season. But for my family, I want to see them lose game after game, if you catch my drift. ☕

But honestly, even though I'm part of that crowd, I don't hate the capital of this country.
And I'll say this: despite our hatred for the Bad Boys, we'd actually love to see you get the kind of powerhouse team you're looking for.

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devas says: sooooo great 👍 everyone in Indianapolis 🙂> is the stadium so amazing that it doesn't actually matter if people show up or not? 🙄>🤦> back in the 08/09 season, Mommy banned season tickets 🙏 :tognemanigdje: 🤦> single game tickets cost $10 for the North Stand that season, and even for European matches and Hajduk $17. he banned season tickets after someone tossed 30 flares onto the pitch during the Linfield match (he actually considered shutting down the whole stadium during that first league game against Cleveland) flares on the field because they brought Hrgovic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDvQXVZ3lOM> during the Linfield game, there were over a thousand people in the stands despite the crazy storm😱 😲that was absolutely tearing up the sky over Chicago all day long. and then when you remember everything they did to us (from the season without season tickets, to $0.33 during the boycott) you see how Hajduk calls their fans the right way... the whole stadium $13 so I hope they pack it at least 3:0 this Wednesday ☕ that's what I want for a club whose fans hate my city, my club, and its supporters. next season, if GNK keeps doing things their own way and I want Cleveland and the cargo trucks to stay ahead of Dynamo—even though it's hard to say because they hate us—that's just my personal wish for next year. And for my family's sake, I want them to lose, loss by loss, you know what I mean ☕

man, you're young, you've got perspective... come join us

slylynx3 said:man, you're young and you've still got plenty of time ahead of you maybe just come join us

Look, we aren't some buddies looking to trade players between different stands.🙂

Jesse Campbell said:Just to set the record straight for those claiming there were only 150 of us at the match this Sunday—this was filmed from the North Stand, and you can clearly see we had a decent turnout here:

Cleveland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloRFyQXJlU&sns=fb

Steven:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAKjcxOoleg&sns=fb

The stands are massive and have a pretty steep rake, so if you take photos from the West side or the pitch level, it looks like a tiny handful of people. Plus, there’s that old-school BBB habit of everyone packing in tight together, which definitely helps the visual density.

Especially considering how sparse other groups looked during their low points. ☕

The Kop always looks much better when the crowd is packed in tight.
On another note, I wanted to ask something. Looking back at photos from a few years ago when the crowds were actually filling the stands... where did everyone go? It’s almost as if the movement hit a wall or just got completely drained by the constant battle against Mommy.
I've also been looking at clips from back when the name changed; there was so much momentum then. Nowadays, everything feels somewhat monotonous—at least, that’s my impression.
I also struggle to understand how a major metropolis like Chicago can't pull together more than 200 people to stand up against Mommy. I mean, surely you have other strong groups in your city, yet even though the city belongs to you, the numbers stay this low.
It seems obvious that without a crowd, there's no real pressure. If the stadium were packed with, say, 20,000 people all shouting for Mommy to get out, he’d probably pack his bags pretty quickly. Maybe the mistake was not focusing on mobilizing the entire city and everyone who supports Dynamo.
Five years ago, everyone was laughing at the guys from New York City when they were putting up posters calling for Star fans to mobilize, but since that day, they've grown in numbers like nothing else in history. Before that, they were barely 200 people in the Kop during smaller matches.

Robert Adams6 said:awesooooome 👍
everyone head to Indianapolis🙂

So the stadium is just so incredible that it doesn't affect whether people show up or not, right?

Back in the 08/09 season, Mommy banned season tickets 🙏 :tognemanigdje: 🤦
Single game tickets cost $10 for the North Stand that season, and they were also available for European matches and Hajduk games$17.
The ban on season tickets happened after 30 flares were tossed onto the pitch during the Linfield match (he actually considered shutting down the stadium entirely during the first league game against Cleveland)
Flares being thrown because of bringing in Hrgovic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDvQXVZ3lOM
During that Linfield game, there were over a thousand people in the Kop despite that rare storm 😱 😲 where the sky over Chicago was absolutely tearing apart all day long.

And then when you look back at everything they did to us (from the season without season tickets to $0.33 during the boycott), you see how Hajduk calls on their fans the right way... the whole stadium $13 so I hope they pack it at least 3:0 this Wednesday ☕ that’s what I want for the club whose fans hate my city, my club, and its supporters.
And next season, if the guys in the association keep doing things their way for the sake of Cleveland and those cargo trucks—even though it breaks my heart because they hate us—I want them to be ahead of Dynamo. That’s just my personal wish for next season, and for the family team, I want them to lose, loss after loss, if you know what I mean ☕

...don't generalize idiots 🙂...only an enemy could hate an American city and Americans. Separate the Americans from the fans; not all Americans are fans, and even if they were, everyone knows who hates them! As for "your" club, I couldn't care less, and honestly, it would probably be the other way around! 🤦

Aaron Ramirez49 said:The stands look much better when they're packed...
I wanted to ask something while looking at these photos from a few years back when the crowds were huge. It feels like you guys either hit a wall or just got worn down by the fight against Mommy...
Looking at old clips from when the name changed, there was such momentum back then. Nowadays, everything seems a bit monotonous, or maybe that's just my impression...
I also can't wrap my head around how a massive city like Chicago can't rally more than 200 people to stand up against Mommy. I mean, if you had another strong group in town, you'd have more support, but even though this is your city, those numbers are still low...
It’s obvious that without a crowd, there's no pressure. If the stadium was filled with, say, 20,000 people shouting for Mommy to leave, he'd be gone in a heartbeat. Maybe the mistake was not mobilizing the whole city and everyone who loves Dynamo...
Everyone laughed at the Yankees fans five years ago when they were putting up posters in New York City calling for mobilization, but since that day, they've grown more than anyone in history. Before that, they barely had 200 people in the stands for smaller games...

No.
This is something entirely different, and honestly, I think what we're seeing is unique to our situation...
I don't care about the Yankees personally, so I'm not out there hanging posters...
Who do you root for, anyway? Who are you really with?...

Aaron Ramirez49 said:The stands look way better when people actually pack them.
I was looking at some old photos from a few years back when you guys had massive crowds in the stands. It’s like you all just lost your spark or got totally drained fighting against Mommy.
I also checked out clips from when the club changed its name; there was so much energy back then. Now, everything feels monotone—at least that's how it looks to me.
Plus, I don't get how a city as big as Chicago can't pull more than 200 people together to fight against Mommy. I mean, look at the BBB, you should have another heavy-hitting group in your own city, but even though the city is yours, those numbers are pathetic.
It's obvious that without a crowd, there's zero pressure. If you had a full stadium of, say, 20,000 people screaming for Mommy to get out, he'd pack his bags fast. Maybe your mistake is failing to mobilize the rest of the city and everyone who loves Dynamo.
Back in the day, everyone laughed at the New York City fans when they were putting up posters saying "Star Mobilization," but since then, they've grown like crazy in history, whereas five years ago, they barely had 200 people in the stands for minor games.

The Fans had a few years where they actually meant something as a group. That was back in the late 90s when they were actively pushing back against Slobo's regime. Should I post pictures of what they looked like back then? They used to have 100 people showing up for away games in Brooklyn.

And that's basically our entire history. Basically, the Fans had a couple of years where they weren't just a bunch of spineless losers, while we've spent most of ours being a bunch of spineless losers. Not that we were acting like corporate agents back then either.

The easiest thing in the world is to eat crap. Just say you love the Star and support an administration that turned a once-great European club into a joke that can't even win their own league for years—and that league is ranked 40th in the FIFA rankings. They're sitting behind Peru, Mali, Algeria, and way behind Mexico.

But hey, I'm sure some random kid from Sweden or some meathead from Ukraine will be busy typing nonsense about your internet posts on the Ultras Tifo page. 🤷 🙂

Honestly, the Fans aren't an exception. It's exactly this kind of "agent" behavior and "peacekeeper" attitude that turned soccer in this region into a total circus. Fan groups are supposed to hold these crooked owners accountable, instead of just letting them do whatever they want!

Because nobody can tell me that playing in separate leagues is the only reason why pro soccer in this part of the world is such a mess today, or why it's "normal" to lose to semi-pro teams. The fact that Dynamo is the best in the region speaks for itself. We're talking about a squad that's a laughingstock in Europe.

As for the crowds, you'd see a massive turnout at Yankee Stadium if you dealt with the same repression we do. Don't be ridiculous. It's easy to organize flare displays when you're just cursing a club that you helped destroy yourselves. Over there, the worst criminals walk the stands freely; here, they go after people like me—arresting us, banning us, punishing us. 🙄

If the Fans actually stood for anything, they would have kicked that administration out of the club headfirst. I'm not buying their stories because they're identical to the lines our Sovic types and agents use... What's even the point of organized cheering if it just boils down to screaming in a stadium? We might as well have stayed a disorganized mob like we were in the 70s and early 80s...

Honestly, the BBB could travel all over the US giving seminars on how to actually fight back against corruption, politics, and shady administrations... We wouldn't even charge you. Until then, just keep staring at those pretty pictures of the stands...

Jesse Campbell, I’m also rooting for a membership model because it’s the only way to get true synergy between the club and the fans. But there’s a catch: the majority would just be "casual" fans. Even if they make up 90%, their idea of what it means to support a team is totally different from ours. That means future boards elected by those members will just mirror their mindset in club policy... you know? I don't think we can ever fully escape that cycle where management tries to influence the fans and vice versa, which honestly starts sounding a bit like agency work. You feel me?

Hey, Aaron Ramirez49, Dynamo plays in Indianapolis this Saturday. That’s basically a quick hop from New York City. Swing by and check out those 500 people following Dynamo today. Not everyone belongs in the crowd. Take a look at that group before you say anything else.

I wouldn't trade us for that circus of fans where it's just women, casuals, kids, and clowns... all led by criminals. But hey, I guess it looks great on social media. 🙂

Casey Gomez3 said:Jesse Campbell, I'm also rooting for a membership model because that’s the only way a club and its fans actually vibe together. But the catch is the crowd will mostly be "casual" fans. Maybe even 90% of them. Their take on what being a fan means is totally different from ours. So, any future boards picked by those members will just mirror their mindset in club policy, and that's that. You feel me? I don't think we can escape the tug-of-war between the board and the fans, which basically smells like political interference. You with me?

I don't buy it. BBB always have to stay the corrective force. Look at the situation with the Mexicans—it's a total mess where one side is sucking up to the board while the other is sabotaging them. It's toxic.

Is it normal for some old guy in the stands to think the board needs protection, while some 18-year-old kid thinks everything is perfect? (He doesn't actually think it, he's just following orders). Young people everywhere should be pushing for change.

BBB has to be the opposition to whatever board is in charge. Obviously, it's not about being disrespectful or destructive for no reason. It comes down to three things: 1) results, 2) club tradition, and 3) business operations. If the results are fine but the board is stealing and turning the club into a joke, you revolt. Same if the board is honest but the results are absolute garbage—you gotta push back.

Just like every country has an opposition party, a fan group has to be the opposition to the board and keep them on their toes. Simple as that.

Of course, other club members don't have to see eye-to-eye with us. That’s definitely going to happen. But whatever. That's just democracy.

Jesse Campbell said:Listen, Aaron Ramirez49, Dynamo is playing out in Indianapolis this Saturday. It’s only about an hour's drive from New York City, really, if you're looking to make the trip. You should swing by and take a look at those 500 fans showing up to support Dynamo today; it's quite a sight, to say the least.It isn't always about the sheer numbers, you know. You really ought to take a long, hard look at that specific group of people before you even think about opening your mouth to comment.

I wouldn't dream of trading this atmosphere for that absolute circus run by those Red Sox fans, where it’s nothing but women, casual observers, kids, and total clowns everywhere you look.It all comes down to the criminal elements running the show behind the scenes, really. They orchestrate the whole mess, though I must admit, they certainly know how to package it all to look polished and convincing on the internet. 🙂

I find myself sitting here, staring at the flickering screen, gripped by this overwhelming sense of frustration that I simply cannot shake, much like that time I was stuck in a massive traffic jam on the I-95 outside of Philadelphia for three hours with nothing but a lukewarm coffee for company. It strikes me, quite frankly, that we are witnessing a complete and utter breakdown in the standards we once held dear, and it makes my blood boil to see how easily things slide into mediocrity when nobody seems to be paying attention. You look at the current state of affairs, the sheer lack of discipline and the way people just drift through their responsibilities, and you have to wonder if anyone actually cares about excellence anymore, or if we have all just collectively decided to settle for the bare minimum. It’s exhausting, truly, to be one of the few who still feels this burning indignation toward such blatant disregard for quality, and I suppose I shall continue to rant, if only to vent this mounting pressure before I lose my composure entirely. I am absolutely fed up with everything that is happening right now! It’s honestly getting ridiculous. 🤣🤣

Bold 2: Honestly, that kind of mindset is exactly what landed us in this mess we’re currently navigating. What good are we getting from these clowns in jerseys? Between the softies, the women, and even the kids... it’s just ridiculous. Because let me tell you, those clowns actually wearing the kits sometimes show more heart and scream louder than some of those guys in FP who just stand there with their arms crossed, looking bored while the game passes them by. 🤷

silverbear38 said:Bold 1: AND EVERYTHING THEY DO IS RESPECTABLE! 🤣🤣

Bold 2: That mindset is exactly why we ended up in this mess. What good are clowns in jerseys, softies, women, or kids? Sometimes those guys in jerseys cheer harder than some tough guy in FP just crossing his arms and watching the game. 🤷

We didn't scare off families; they were driven away by heavy-handed policing and the media's planned narrative about us. In mafia-run countries like the US or Mexico, it's pretty obvious who's pulling the strings behind all that.

It’s not inherently bad to have women, kids, and casual fans in the stands, it's just a question of whether that's even realistic for our scene. And does it actually show how strong the group is? Just saying. It’s not always about raw numbers. I already laid out what the Fans looked like back when they were an actual vanguard and a real opposition force.

Jesse Campbell said:It isn't our fault that women and children have been driven away; they were pushed out by systemic repression and a calculated media campaign designed to paint us in a certain light. In mafia-run states like America or Mexico, it’s painfully obvious who is pulling those strings.

It isn't inherently a bad thing to have wives, kids, or casual supporters sitting in the stands, but one has to wonder how realistic that goal actually is for a group like ours. Furthermore, I find myself questioning whether such a presence truly serves as a metric for the actual strength of the collective. That was merely my observation. It isn't always about the sheer volume of people present.

The guy surrounded by his wife and kids, all of them leaning in to ask, "Daddy, Daddy, are you okay?" 🤣

Hey guys, what’s the deal with Knin?

Are we heading out there on 4/23?

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I honestly don't get why you think like that. Why couldn't I show up to the North Stand with my son and absolutely tear it up for DYNAMO CHICAGO or tell SPLIT TO GO TO HELL... and maybe actually contribute to the future of the Chicago supporter scene that way?

You can say whatever you want, but this whole argument of yours is just a distraction. You're trying to soothe the egos of the idiots or those Fans you keep talking about. They have the MASSES right now, and numbers matter—I don't care if the stands are filled with old folks, women, or whoever else... honestly, who gives a damn? You should focus on yourself instead of spitting on others. Even if they're technically "bigger" than the BBB right now, everything settles into place eventually. Only the persistent ones actually survive.

Jesse Campbell says: Look, Aaron Ramirez49, Dynamo is playing in Indianapolis this Saturday. That’s barely an hour away from New York City. Why don't you swing by and take a look at those 500 people following Dynamo today? It's not just about how big the crowd is. Take a good look at that group before you open your mouth. Personally, I wouldn't trade our vibe for that absolute circus the Fans run, where it's nothing but women, casual fans, kids, and total clowns. b>.. And let's be real, the whole thing is run by criminals. But hey, it looks great on social media, doesn't it? 🙂 div>

There’s really no need to get aggressive with Aaron Ramirez49... the guy is more than polite and respectful on this forum, and he never goes out of his way to provoke anyone or snap back at others' jabs.

Ryan Watson42 said:I don't get why you're thinking like that. Why couldn't I show up in the North with my son to rain hell on Dynamo Chicago? Or just screw Split... maybe that's how we actually help build the future of the Chicago supporter scene.

Say whatever you want, but this whole argument is just a way to sugarcoat things for those idiots—those Fans you're talking about. All they have is sheer numbers, regardless of whether the stands are filled with old folks, women, or whoever else... but honestly, who cares? You gotta look at yourself instead of spitting on others. Even if they're bigger than BBB right now, everything settles eventually. Only the persistent survive.

You didn't really catch my drift. The masses love peace, love, getting along with management, and making compromises. The crowd hates repression, getting screwed over, conflict, cops breathing down their necks, cameras, bans, and media hysterics... That’s why we don't have a massive following while they do. But that's just a result of our struggle, not the cause.

And obviously, it's because in this city, people couldn't care less about Dynamo since they see it as being one and the same as the Head. But that's not on us; if anything, we saw it coming before anyone else and jumped straight into the fight.

It’s got nothing to do with BBB, and nobody’s been telling people they can't show up to the stands lately. In fact, more people brought their kids to the Kop this Saturday. Even P., who leads the chants once in a while...

And you skipped the most important part of my quote: "And all of this is run by criminals." 😉