Bad Boys - Part IV

With a pretty high probability, I’d probably just grab my ride and take my brother and the kid along, so there would still be two seats left in the SUV if anyone needs a lift... but, whatever. It's not about doing anyone a huge favor, it's more about keeping things moving smoothly so everything stays synchronized, like a well-oiled highway.😁
If I had any idea there was going to be trouble at Vinkulj, I would have just taken my wife and dropped her right off by the Bosutski area to wait for all the chaos with her little joke book and a teddy bear... then, the next day, I'd probably just get her an admission slip for the hospital (though, knowing luck, lightning wouldn't even strike twice...).🤣

It doesn't matter.
In my opinion, those internal divisions—given everything else going on—are exactly what tore the group apart, regardless of how far they fell...
And as for the future, if everyone truly stands behind the Bad Boys name, then why bother with these neighborhood cliques and subgroups? Everyone knows who everyone is anyway...
Honestly, I couldn't care less about the circus acts... there’s rarely anything more thrilling than a sold-out, packed, overflowing Yankee Stadium,
with an atmosphere that gives you chills...

Jesse Campbell is telling the truth—something most real fans actually get. I can wrap my head around some kid on Facebook seeing a photo of the Delije or the Boys and acting shocked by the intensity or the flares. But I can't stand it when people on this "respected" forum—people who claim to be "in the loop" while sitting on five million bucks—don't get it. They look at those massive crowds of ten thousand people with their banners and flares stretching across the whole stadium—just chilling, 🙏 🤣—and think, "Oh, look at those Delije, they think they're so tough," 😲... And I’m saying this while noting there isn't any crime involved, even though we all know there is.

Those 500 teenage Boys who show up to every single home game and travel for away matches are true soldiers; you can count on them 24/7. If anyone thinks groups like the Yankees, the Gravediggers, the Black and Gold Army, or the Armada have more numbers or higher quality... if they think those groups folded while the Boys rose up, then they are dead wrong—actually, they're just an idiot. ☕

Now, that’s a different story—the atmosphere within certain clubs and the mentality of the fans. I’ll always admit that when it comes to that, the Hajduk fans and the Belgrade fans are untouchable. No matter how healthy a club like Dinamo might be, or how good the vibe is there, they'll struggle to match that specific energy. I know Jesse Campbell will probably jump in to correct me, saying there were plenty of times those groups weren't like that either, but you still have to tip your hat to the Hajduk and Belgrade supporters—they are absolutely insane for football and their clubs. There’s no debate there.

My personal take? Those "10 million" (hahaha) people with their paper flyers could easily lose to the Boys. It’s not because they have a "better story" or because they are fighting against everything else—it’s simply because there isn't another group in the entire US that has a larger number of people you can rely on every single second than the Boys. There just isn't. Period.

What "tough" Delije? I’d love to see how many of those massive crowds actually show up every single week, whether it's a home game or traveling, just for the sake of the group—which is exactly what the Boys have been doing for a long time now. Of course, that's not necessarily a positive thing, but you get my point. 😁

Can we please stop comparing ourselves to the Delije? I honestly don't get where you find the motivation to keep doing this. We aren't living in the same country, we aren't playing in the same league, and we aren't even on the same stage—so what do they actually have to do with us? Why aren't you comparing yourselves to teams like St. Etienne or Spartak Moscow instead? If the Delije have 20,000 people in the stands, how does that even relate to our situation? 🤷We have our own league and our own backyard to focus on. Once we start working on ourselves instead of constantly measuring ourselves against "the region," that's when our scene will truly come alive. Let’s move past the old Yugoslav days; they're gone, and frankly, it's better that way. I couldn't care less about the Delije or the Građani fans. There are much better groups in Europe that nobody even mentions. Dinamo plays in MLS, and our real competitors are the groups within MLS, not groups from Canada, Mexico, or Mexico. How can groups that don't even play in the same league or face each other be compared? Where is this drive coming from? This has been going on for years. Even with the Tovar crowd, this mindset isn't nearly as prevalent.

I’m with both of these guys above me. But this whole comparison to the Delije thing started with Aaron Ramirez49, so I think it's fair game to talk about it. It's not like we're constantly obsessed with the Delije or comparing everything to them...

As for the post by Jeremy Torres17—respect, I'll give him that. I'd just add that around here, people show up for the group. Once you cross the Mississippi River, you've got organized crime and all kinds of filth driving why people even bother showing up to games or standing behind a crew. With all this back-and-forth about the Forbidden ones, way too much of that crap has leaked online lately.

Joseph Harris5 said:Stop comparing yourselves to the Delije... I honestly don't get where you find the motivation. We aren't even in the same country, we aren't playing in the same league, we aren't on the same stage—so what do they actually have to do with us? Why don't you try comparing yourselves to St. Etienne or Spartak Moscow instead? If the Delije have 20k in the stands, how does that affect us? 🤷 We have our own league and our own backyard. Once we start focusing on ourselves instead of constantly measuring ourselves against "the region," maybe the scene will actually come alive. Let go of the old regional rivalries already; they're gone, and frankly, good riddance. I couldn't care less about the Delije or the Građani fans. There are much better groups in Europe that nobody even mentions. Dinamo plays in MLS, and our competition comes from within MLS, not from Canada, Mexico, or Mexico. How can groups that don't even play in the same league or face each other compare? Where do you even get the energy for this? It's been going on for years. With the Tovar crowd, it’s way less of an issue.

Heinz wrote that perfectly; I'd give him props,

I think you're wrong and that we *should* be making those comparisons. I bet you actually feel the same way, but you felt forced to write a post that wasn't just a carbon copy of everything above it. Dinamo doesn't just play in MLS; we're in the Champions League and the EL, so Europe is our real stage, not this swamp.

Jeremy Torres17 said:Jesse Campbell is telling the truth here, and most people who actually give a damn realize it... Look, I get it when some random kid on Facebook sees a photo of the Delije, then looks at the Boys, and stays completely clueless about what's actually going down. But I can't stand it when people on some "prestigious" forum—people who claim to be "in the loop" but actually have zero clue what's happening—act like they don't care about those massive crowds of guys in the stands, with their banners and flares stretching across the entire stadium (just casually, 🙏 🤣) and think, "Oh, look at those Delije, they're so tough"... 😲 And I'm saying all this assuming there isn't crime involved, even though we all know there is.

Those 500 teenage Boys who show up to every single home game and every away trip are true soldiers for the group, and you can count on them 24/7. If anyone thinks that some other crew, whether it's the Gravediggers, the Black and Gold Army, or the Armada, has more people than us or is somehow "higher quality"... if they think those groups were the ones leading the charge while we were just catching up, then they are dead wrong. Honestly, they’re just idiots. ☕

Now, that’s a different story regarding the atmosphere in certain clubs and the mentality of the fans. I'll always admit that when it comes to that, the Hajduk fans and the Belgrade crowd are untouchable. No matter how healthy or well-run Dinamo might be, it's hard to imagine them ever reaching that level of intensity. I know Jesse Campbell is going to jump in and correct me, saying there were times like that for them too, but you really have to tip your hat to the Hajduk fans and the Belgrade supporters. They are absolutely insane for football and for their clubs; there's no debate there.

My personal take? Those "10 million" guys you mentioned with their little paper streamers could easily get left in the dust by the Boys. It’s not because they have the "best history" or because they're fighting against everything else—it’s simply because there isn't a single group in the entire former Yugoslavia that can match the sheer number of Boys you can rely on every single second. There just isn't. Period.

What "tough" Delije? I’d love to see how many of those huge crowds actually travel every single week for home games or away trips just out of loyalty to the group, which is something the Boys have been doing for a long time now... Of course, that’s not necessarily a good thing, but you get my point. 😁

Based on this post, it sounds like the Boys should be ashamed of the old days back in the 1862 era or the ice rink days, or even 2006 when the stands were packed with those paper streamers you're talking about...
Obviously, we should focus on ourselves, but we shouldn't sugarcoat things either. We shouldn't lie to ourselves by saying our current situation is better than having a packed stand like they have, because it's not, and everyone knows it!

Casey Gomez3 said:Heinz wrote that beautifully; I’d have to give him some credit here.

I can't help but think you might be missing the mark on this one. Don't we all feel the need to draw comparisons sometimes? Still, if you're going to weigh in, shouldn't you try to offer something a bit more original than just echoing the posts above you? At the end of the day, Dinamo isn't just playing in the MLS; they are competing in the Champions League and the EL. Europe is our true stage, not this local swamp.

Right now, there are ten groups in Europe that are significantly better than the Delije, yet nobody seems to mention them. I don't have anything against making comparisons, but I honestly don't understand why we are constantly comparing ourselves to those guys from Belgrade.

Why on earth are you quoting him? He was doing just fine being ignored 🤦

Jesse Campbell said:And look, Aaron Ramirez49, Dinamo plays in Indianapolis this Saturday. That’s barely an hour away from Belgrade. Drop by and see those 500 people currently following Dinamo. It's not all about the crowd size. Take a look at that specific group before you say anything else.

I wouldn't trade our setup for that Delije circus any day—you know, where it’s mostly women, casual fans, kids, and clowns... all being led around by criminals. But I suppose it does look great on social media. 🙂

I’m actually planning to attend one of your derbies in the future.
I was just commenting from a layman's perspective, observing from the outside. Like I mentioned, the strangest thing to me is that you have a city of nearly a million people right there, yet the stadium sits largely empty. If we're being realistic, half of America probably supports Dinamo given the potential.
As for the casual supporters and regular spectators, I think they are absolutely necessary. Not everyone can be an ultra. Personally, I don't think there is anything better than a father taking his child to the stadium on a Saturday to watch their favorite club.
I brought up the Delije because they managed to motivate the general public to show up at the stadium. It seems like you guys have somehow created a distance—maybe—from the average supporter, which is why you end up with 500 people fighting to oust Mamić while everyone else couldn't care less.
The issue is that people come to the stadium for the atmosphere; they want to experience every match as a spectacle, and that’s what draws the masses.
Why would an average fan bother coming to watch 200 of you brawling for 90 minutes? It’s not interesting to them. Plus, since the club plays such mediocre football lately, they’d much rather stay home and watch Real Madrid, Barça, or Milan.
You claim that police repression drove the casual audience away, but if the cops are arresting and detaining supporters in the East and West stands, then America is a total banana republic. I don't really think that's the case, though; I don't think the cops are quite that stupid. They know exactly what they're doing.
Maybe Dinamo never had that same momentum with the general public that Hajduk or CZ have, or perhaps Dinamo is simply followed by just one single fan group and that's it. I guess that's just my opinion looking in from the outside.
To answer the user Zacko, I’ve been a Partizan fan for 36 years. I'm not as active as I used to be, but I still show up.

Maybe they’re plotting to jump some poor group of fans from twenty yards away and then just bolt 🤷 , though I guess it’s funny because when the Boys were actually out in town, they were nowhere to be found. 🤣

The atmosphere at the Dinamo vs. Belgrade match back in 1989

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ED1OU0G2CY

Aaron Ramirez49 said:I'm planning on visiting one of your derbies in the future.

Honestly, you’d probably have a better time in Indianapolis than at a derby... 🙂

I definitely agree that things like the stadium atmosphere, the massive choreographies, and those beautiful flares attract crowds—that's just a fact. The same goes for the hype surrounding a big rivalry; that draws people in too.
But what happens in our neck of the woods actually pushes people away from the stadium. It's the stuff like being stuck waiting 25 minutes just to get through the gates, having the police hassle you at the entrance, getting filmed by security cameras, or dealing with all those endless lists of "unwanted" names at the door. It's exhausting.
Also, having good PR before a big match matters more than people realize.
With us, we always seem to run into this issue where the media paints the fans in such a negative light. Then, regular people who aren't even part of the scene watch the news and jump to their own conclusions based on those biased reports.
It's a cycle, and honestly, it's not something that changes overnight.
...but look, the Bad Boys have always been this group—rough around the edges, loud, and unapologetic about who they are. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong.
I remember back during the era when we were fighting against the policies of Franjo Tuđman; because of the controversy over renaming the stadium, the stands looked emptier than they have in recent seasons. Back then, only maybe 100 or 200 people would even show up for an away game.

Let me switch gears for a second, totally blanked on mentioning this earlier... haha
The absolute highlight was that one firefighter who couldn't even get his extinguisher open, so they had to go running for another one🤣🤣

It is perfectly clear to me that you can converse fluently with any streetwise character from the outskirts of the Belgrade area, but please try to bear with us uneducated, intellectually inferior Americans from the homeland.
We struggle to identify all sorts of foreign influences.
Truthfully, some people don't even bother, but looking at things realistically, we "badgers" are stuck in our small little country and simply cannot reach that new age state of mind or possess that revolutionary, free-spirited essence of a global citizen like yourself.
So, please don't hold it against me that I don't speak like some foreigner; I am merely a simple defender from Chicago...

What kind of nonsense are you guys even arguing about here? You’ve been completely derailing this thread for the last few pages, and honestly, PeščaBoy seems to be the one tripping things up every single time...
Honestly, please, most people here don't actually care whether you understand what Steve from Klanjac or that guy from Belgrade is saying...
Everyone to Indianapolis!!!

Aaron Ramirez49 said:I’m planning to catch one of your derbies sometime in the future.
I mentioned earlier that this all looks pretty weird to me from an outsider's perspective. Honestly, the strangest part is having a massive city of nearly a million people right there, yet the stadium sits mostly empty. If we're being real, half of America probably supports Dinamo given their potential.
As for regular fans and casual viewers, they’re absolutely necessary. Not everyone can be an ultra; to me, nothing beats a dad taking his kid to the stadium on a Saturday to watch their favorite club.
I brought up the Delije because they actually managed to get the general public excited about showing up. You guys seem to have created this gap—maybe unintentionally—between yourselves and the average supporter. That’s why you see 500 people fighting to get Mamić out while everyone else just doesn't care.
The thing is, people go to games for the atmosphere. They want every match to feel like a spectacle, and that’s what draws the crowds in.
What’s a regular fan going to do, watch 200 of you brawling for 90 minutes? It’s not exactly entertaining. Plus, when the football itself is mediocre, people would rather stay home and watch Real Madrid, Barça, or Milan.
You claim police crackdowns drove the crowd away, but if the cops are hauling supporters off in the east and west stands, then the US is basically a banana republic. I don't think that's the case, though; the cops aren't stupid, they know exactly what's happening.
Maybe Dinamo just never had that same momentum with the general public that Hajduk or CZ has, or maybe it’s just one specific group following the team and that’s it. Just my two cents from the sidelines.
To answer Zacko, I’ve been pulling for Partizan for 36 years. I’m not as active as I used to be, but I still show up.

It's complicated. Nobody cares about Dinamo. Some idiot completely tied the club's identity to himself, and this isn't the kind of city that puts up with that kind of hillbilly, primitive, criminal nonsense. That’s not our problem. In fact, we told people exactly that two and a half years ago when we started the boycott.

I mean, seriously—Dinamo can't even move 1,000 tickets for a Champions League match against PSG, a team with a stacked roster and Zlatan Ibrahimović, even with Mamić offering a million bucks to whoever buys a ticket. If some local guy from the neighborhood offered a million bucks, more people would flock to the local bakery than the stadium.

In a way, it’s a win for us because his whole project is getting totally crushed and embarrassed. That’s why the empty seats bother us so much. Maybe Nozdrva should give that some thought...

At the end of the day, the most important thing is being able to look yourself in the mirror. Today's Boys can definitely do that, which is more than most other groups can say.

Anonymous said:the atmosphere at that Dinamo vs. Belgrade game back in '89

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ED1OU0G2CY

Wild. 🙏🙏🙏

Memories coming back fast.

Jesse Campbell said:Absolutely brutal. 🙏🙏🙏

Memories are just flooding back now.

Wait, you weren't drunk? 🤣

Lazio vs. Juve last night
"You guys go ahead and punish Lazio, but when Dinamo went out 1-7 in that fixed match against Lyon, you didn't even blink..." https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...65631387_n.jpg