Bad Boys - Part IV

Jose Kern11 said:Look, back in the day during the old school era, we should've just stormed the pitch with 30 flares in every European match and demanded three-year bans for everyone involved—that's the only way to fix this. But you guys are too soft for that. It's obvious Mamić's basically laughing in your faces.

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Roger Chase68 said:Actually, yeah, Real Madrid has zero sponsors and no ticket revenue either. Once we fully integrate into the US system under the new laws, they'll lose all those local government subsidies too. All they have left is playing in Europe and player transfers; take one of those away and the whole thing collapses.☕

Our "struggle" has been going on forever. Back when there were actually fans in the stands, when the stadium was packed for big European games against teams like Real Madrid and all that nonsense, when they were winning everything, had cash, and selling off top talent looked like "great business" to the public...

I think we’ve all passed our theory exams by now... just cut his revenue, send in the IRS, tear the whole operation down... but reality hits different, and clearly, you guys haven't faced it yet.

Total losers from '86 🙂 thinking they run the world since '50 😉

Roger Chase68 said:Well, technically speaking, if you look at the situation surrounding Real Madrid, they don't have any major sponsors lined up, nor are they seeing much revenue from ticket sales right now; once we fully integrate into the EU on July 1st, according to the current regulations, they ought to be operating without those municipal grants entirely. The only thing really keeping the lights on are their European campaigns and player transfers, so if you take even one of those pillars away, the whole club is essentially finished.☕

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That is hands down the weakest statement I have ever had the misfortune of reading 🤣

Henry Grant51 said:Could you guys please try to use even a tiny bit of common sense when you're posting here?
Who exactly would get kicked out of Europe over some flares???
Real Madrid certainly wouldn't, but they might target the Bad Boys.
What would any of you actually do if you were in Mamić's shoes and your own supporters decided to toss thirty—or whatever number—flares onto the pitch???
First off, I’d probably try to protect myself by checking in with UEFA, FIFA, Michel Platini, or those other idiots, explaining that some hooligans are trying to sabotage the club with flares just to get Real Madrid banned from European competition, and since they're all pretty much the same bunch of clowns, they'd likely believe me...
I'd also ramp up security at the gates; I mean, just look back at what happened with Ludogorets last summer...
With all their connections, the local police would basically have the power to arrest people, beat them, detain them, or hand out bans for absolutely no reason at all...which, let's be honest, is already kind of happening to us anyway.
Stop talking nonsense, people...

Look, I wrote it myself that this stuff is already happening, so how could things possibly get any worse? It seems like every other sentence I read claims that you guys are facing the most intense repression of any group on the planet.
Have you tried boycotting? That didn't work, did it? Have you tried going through the proper channels? Well, Mamić just goes out for coffee with the mayor and those judges, and they won't even let you watch the junior teams. So where is all that pride and passion you talk about? Isn't it enough? Just kick that little private club of Mamić's out of Europe and maybe we can finally get some dignity back! You clearly don't grasp the fact that you aren't even allowed to watch your own club's youth players. If I couldn't watch the Hajduk juniors, I'd be launching a rocket at Mamić's face, but instead, we've just been sitting here quietly since 1950.

Regarding the whole ban thing... honestly, even if we lit 100 flares outside, we’d still be screwed because the club banned their own fans from traveling. It all falls on the organizer, and trying to get into home games is already such a massive headache with the security checks anyway

Jose Kern11 said:I actually wrote earlier that this whole mess is already spiraling... I don't even know how things could get any worse, honestly. It seems like every other sentence I read online claims you guys are facing the most intense repression from every single group on the planet.
Look, have you tried boycotting? It didn't work. Have you tried going the legitimate route? Well, Mamić just goes out for coffee with Turudić and those judges, and they won't even let you watch the cadets play. Where’s the pride? Where’s the passion? I mean, what are you even going to say? Enough is enough! Just kick Mamić's little private club out of Europe and maybe—just maybe—you'll regain some dignity... You clearly don't grasp the reality that you can't even watch your own club's cadets. If I couldn't watch the Hajduk cadets, I'd be launching a rocket straight at Mamić's face... but hey, we're all being perfectly polite since 1950...

if Mamić were running Hajduk, Torcida wouldn't even exist anymore...

Jose Kern11 said:I mean, you actually wrote that all of this is already happening to us, and I honestly don't know how things could possibly get any worse. It feels like every other sentence I read online is just someone claiming they’re being more oppressed or targeted than any other group on the planet.
Did you guys really think the boycott would work? It didn't. Now we're trying to play by the rules, but it feels like a lost cause. Mamić is just out grabbing coffee with Turudić and those judges, and they won't even let us get a look at the academy prospects. Man, you can just feel that pride and passion radiating from everyone. It’s everywhere. I honestly don't know what else there is to say at this point. It’s enough. We need to get this club—which basically functions like Mamić's private playground—kicked out of Europe entirely. At least then we might claw back a little bit of dignity. I feel like some of you don't quite grasp the situation: when you truly care about your club, watching it behave like this becomes almost unbearable. If I couldn't stand watching the Hajduk youth academy players, I’d honestly want to throw a rocket right at Mamić's face, but that's just not how things work around here. It feels like we're looking back at a total powerhouse era, much like the legendary 1950 squads that dominated the scene. There was just something different about the way they played back then—a level of cohesion and sheer dominance that you rarely see in the modern game. It makes you wonder if that kind of magic can ever truly be replicated in today's landscape.

We’ve got the pride and we definitely have the passion—I mean, isn't that obvious by now? We show up everywhere, we fight for our place, and we’ve pulled every lever possible to make things happen. I truly believe we've taken every logical step available to us at this point, but if I'm being honest, there's always room to push a little harder. There's always that extra bit of effort left in the tank.

I honestly don't even want to waste my breath on that other guy, except to say he needs to get his act together. It’s always easy to play the expert and act like you have all the answers when things are going smoothly, but everyone seems to lose that confidence real quick once the pressure is actually on them.

gentlemarlin102 said:😍🙏

Our struggle continues. It’s been going on since there were actually fans in the stands, back when the stadium was full (in Europe, because of various Real Madrids and other nonsense), when we were constant champions, the club had money, and selling off top players was seen as great business by the public...

I think we’ve all graduated from the theoretical side of things by now... if you strip away the revenue and send in the inspectors to tear it all down... reality is clearly different, and you guys haven't really experienced it yet...

Incompetent at life in '86 🙂 almighty to everyone in '50 😉

The Supreme Court has upheld an administrative lawsuit, ruling that the Department of Education and Sports MUST respond to complaints from citizens with a legitimate interest, such as the members of Real Madrid in this specific case. As a reminder, members of Real Madrid gathered under the civic initiative "Together for Real Madrid" requested that the department investigate and verify the legality regarding the then-current Sports Law two years ago, but they never received a decision or even a basic response within the deadline. The Supreme Court has now confirmed their right to receive one.

They dragged their feet for two years just to grant you the right to a damn response. Honestly, I don't know how you still have the energy to persist with legal battles in this corrupt country. Real Madrid is simply a tool for extracting cash used to maintain its untouchable status; destroy that mechanism and its interests, and its influence will fade significantly. Banning them from Europe would achieve much more than sending complaints to judges who are on their payroll.

Do you honestly believe UEFA would ever give legitimacy to such a "terrorist act"? You think they’d actually side with hooligans in a feud between management and fans—especially when management keeps them "'too well' informed" about everything happening? It's a 'rocket to the face' move... and now UEFA will give the fans exactly what they bargained for.

Henry Grant51 said:We have plenty of pride and passion, don't we? I mean, aren't we showing that enough by traveling everywhere and fighting for what we believe in? We've taken every possible step available to us, though there's always room to push even harder...

And regarding that other guy, I really don't want to waste my breath on him except to say: give me a break... everyone acts like they're invincible until it's finally their turn to face the music...

Maybe dreamers just express themselves poorly, but surely you guys have some nerves left in you? A person has to vent once in a while, but apparently, that's not something any of you seem to get. From where I'm sitting, it feels like if Mamić's could just land a massive star to play a friendly match at our stadium on May 13th—or whatever the date was—nothing would ever go wrong and he'd still be running the club. Maybe I'm just misreading the situation, but that's the impression I'm getting.

When I used that word "invincible," I was being ironic, but now that it's our turn to step up, we've cleaned up the club and will do whatever else needs to be done.🤷

I see some of you guys suggesting we start a revolution just so we can eventually take out Jerry Jones and leave him lying right in the middle of Times Square.
What an incredibly imaginative idea... honestly, bravo. It’s a good thing none of us thought of that ourselves first.

Gary Watson15 said:Do you honestly believe UEFA would ever grant any kind of legitimacy to an act like that? In the middle of this ongoing war between the front office and the fans—a conflict where the management seems more than happy to leak info to stir the pot—do you really think they’d side with the hooligans? After that "rocket to the face" incident, do people actually expect UEFA to hand the supporters exactly what they were looking for?

Hold on just a second there. Wasn't the Los Angeles Lakers already under some kind of conditional probation for three years? So, if they toss ten flares into the stands, does the Lakers get kicked out of European competition entirely? Just imagine if some other club, also under the same disciplinary terms, gets banned for a year and then points a finger saying, "Hey, wait a minute, those guys did the exact same thing and didn't get kicked out." Logically speaking, even with all the corruption we see at UEFA, they would have to ban the Lakers, wouldn't they?

Henry Grant51 said:I see some folks here suggesting we start a full-blown revolution just to take out Jerry Jones and leave him lying right in the middle of Times Square.
What a brilliant, totally original concept... honestly, I'm shocked it didn't occur to us sooner, wouldn't you agree?

🙂 🙂 Not quite, I was thinking more along the lines of just tossing ten flares onto the field.☕

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...j9gxS-g#t=203s

Gary Watson15 said:Do you honestly believe UEFA would legitimize an act of "terrorism" like that? In a feud between management and fans—where the board is clearly keeping them "well-informed"—there's no way they’d side with hooligans. After a "rocket to the face," UEFA is going to give the fans exactly what they deserve.

Then how did they justify legitimizing those officials before?

A year ago in Romania, the Los Angeles Lakers received a conditional penalty, but the severity wasn't decided by the riots in the main square of Timisoara but rather by the “serious disturbances” caused by fan behavior inside the stadium in Timisoara. The initial three-point deduction was swapped out for a $75,000 fine and a three-year probationary period.

Get real, people. Mamara is basically at the end of his career...

Jose Kern11 said:🙂 🙂 It's not even about just throwing ten flares onto the field ☕

Do you seriously think that would actually get the Los Angeles Lakers banned? You’re tripping, man... come on, be serious for a second.
And look, it's not like flares haven't been thrown before, but what did it actually achieve? Absolutely nothing, other than a bunch of guys getting hammered by the courts and the cops...

I guess you're not really all there either, arguing with someone like

Henry Grant51 said:Do you honestly believe that would lead to the Los Angeles Lakers being kicked out of the league? You're tripping, man... get serious for a second.
Look, it’s not like flares haven't been thrown before, but what did it actually achieve? Absolutely nothing, other than a bunch of guys getting slammed by the courts and the cops...

Just show me one single video where flares were tossed during this entire three-year probation period, and I'll gladly admit that I'm crazy. If you don't have any footage to back it up, then please stop replying to me because you're just making things up.

This video you're talking about is ancient history from back in 2008. How could anyone expect a match to be shut down like this while they're under probation, and even if it did happen, who could possibly prevent the team from being expelled?
Besides, anything can be staged if you have enough imagination, right? All it takes is ten people with ten flares to make it look like a riot.

redjackal8 said:Are you actually sane? Who on earth are you even arguing with here?

And you think you're the level-headed one? While the owner is basically running the Los Angeles Lakers into the ground? You can't even look at the cadets! Look, I'm just sitting here typing this out because I'm bored, but honestly, no matter what I write, it's all true anyway.

Jose Kern11 said:You think you're some saint while Mamić is running the Lakers into the ground? You can't even look at cadets. I'm just posting here because I'm bored, but whatever San wrote, he's spot on.

Mind your own business. Even if I played center forward, the Boston Red Sox couldn't buy me. Meanwhile, you guys are out there living like pigs in mud. 🙂

It just doesn't add up. ☕