Bad Boys - Part IV

I honestly have no idea why you people are obsessing over Mamic again.
He isn't the root issue—the entire country is fundamentally broken. Corruption is baked into the system; it’s everywhere. Everyone knows what’s happening, yet everyone protects one another.
As far as the law is concerned, there is nothing you can actually do about Mamic right now—that should be obvious by now. Half the police force, the entire USSF, the Supreme Court, the unions, public services, and God knows what else—it’s all just a web of cousins and buddies looking out for each other.

The day will come when he meets the same fate as Sandera. They’ll throw him under the bus, hand him a moderate sentence just to satisfy the public, and everyone else involved will suddenly develop total amnesia... our government is crawling with cronies, and we all know it.

Anyway, nothing new here—just stating the obvious. Some of you will probably laugh and call me a fool, but given the caliber of these people and the state of our politics, we aren't exactly living in a golden age...

Jose Kern11 said:Honestly, my only real concern right now is Mamic. The Cleveland Browns are finally moving in the right direction; given everything we've been through, the board is doing an incredible job, and even the coach is performing way above expectations considering the circumstances. Now that I see the Browns are actually on a path toward success, I don't mind waiting another five years to grab a championship. My only headache is Mamic, because I’m just tired of watching boring league play where four Real Madrids dominate the top ten spots.

It’s pretty clear you just don't get it—all those books and twenty years in the stands don't mean a thing if you don't understand what true club loyalty looks like. You don't understand why we enjoy this or why there were 6,000 people at the cup game just now. If you haven't realized it by now, you probably never will, so I'm not even going to bother explaining it to you. That cup win and having Ivo Bego down in the south stands with fans who are over 70 years old means more than you could ever imagine.

1. We love Mamic and Bandic, so we're kind of halfway behind this whole dismantling process.🙂 And if that bothers you so much, then go do something about it—at least regarding him and his buddies over at the USSF; after all, that is the United States Soccer Federation.

2. It’s worth exactly as much as they let it be worth. And if you haven't grasped that yet, you never will, so I won't waste my breath trying to explain it.

I told myself I wouldn't write about the fans, but I'm making an exception just to vent my thoughts for a second...

We all pretty much know how it goes. Sure, being from San Francisco makes it easier for us to talk big and offer solutions...
You guys have tried plenty of things, and honestly, you know yourselves that nothing works through legal channels. What's happening is such a dirty job that 98% of people in the world would be behind bars for it, but we all know that in this country, Mamic is basically untouchable (for now, anyway)...
The way things are going, you'll probably end up boycotting home games again, because what they're doing to you is straight-up disgusting. You've got nothing to lose at home, which is why Jose Kern11 keeps telling you to try something. If tear gas shuts down a major European match, then let's see what happens. Yeah, Mamic is powerful in UEFA and cozy with the big money, but let's see if that actually saves him. 🤷
Not to drone on, but Mamic is the problem for most of us—and unfortunately, there are some clubs and "fans" who actually benefit from him. That's why we just want to help by writing or giving advice, even if it's stupid, since we can't do anything else. 🤣
And yeah... if you had 50 to 100 Jose Kern11s, Mamic would be history. Go ahead and mock me, I don't care. 🤷

Aaron Richardson7 said:I told myself I wouldn't say anything about the fans, but I guess I'll make an exception just to get my two cents in...

I guess we all think we have the answers these days. It’s probably just easier for those of us from San Francisco to sit back and offer solutions for everything...
You’ve all tried everything, and honestly, we have to face the fact that there isn't much you can do through any legal channels. What's happening with the USSF is such a complete mess that if anyone else were running things, 98% of people worldwide would be looking at prison time. But I guess we all know the reality here—it seems like Mamic is just untouchable in this country. At least for now.
So, what’s the plan this time? Are we actually going to boycott the home games again? I mean, honestly, the way they're treating you guys is pretty disgusting, but I guess... well, if you skip the local matches, you don't really have anything left to lose. That’s why Jose Kern11 keeps telling you all to try something more drastic. Then you've got tear gas shutting down a match in Europe, and we can finally see how that plays out. Sure, Mamic is powerful within UEFA and he's playing some greasy games with Platinum, but let's see if even that can stop the whole thing from falling apart. 🤷
I won't beat around the bush—Mamic is basically the root of the problem for most of us. It’s unfortunate, really, because there are certain clubs out there—and even some "fans"—who actually prefer things exactly the way he runs them. That's why we're stuck trying to help through writing or offering advice. Since we aren't personally qualified to do much else anymore, I guess we might as well try to offer some guidance, even if it turns out to be pretty stupid. 🤣
I mean... if you actually had 50 or 100 tablets—the ones everyone keeps trolling about anyway—then maybe Mamic would finally be a thing of the past. But sure, feel free to try and mock me. I really don't care. 🤷

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Good grief... Nathan Lewis made such a beautiful point over there that I might just bring ten extra flares to the party myself. Maybe then we'll actually get somewhere.
It’s honestly best how things work in this country, I suppose. Everyone knows exactly what's going on—from the guy working at the local brewery to the politicians in D.C.—but nobody actually does anything about it. Maybe that's just the way it is.
And here we go again. Back to square one, I guess. Round two, let's roll.

Aaron Richardson7 said:I promised myself I wouldn't address the fans directly, but I'll make an exception just to get my two cents in...

A single tear during a tournament match STOPS the game

Yeah, because God forbid someone actually gets trampled in a stadium crush when three hundred people rush the exits at once.😁
I bet a Champions League match gets called off if they sneeze too loud.
The Bad Boys won't be banned from entering the stadium; they'll probably just be prohibited from checking the scores on their phones. 🤷 🤣

Jack Myers2 said:🙂
God, man... Nathan Lewis made a good point there, I'd throw in another 10 flares myself just to see what happens.
The thing about this country is everyone thinks they're an expert—from the guy at the local pub to the politicians in D.C.—but nobody actually does anything about it.
So here we go again, back to square one... just great.

I'm talking about tear gas, and yeah, I agree 10 flares won't change much (though throwing 30 of them over 2 or 3 games in a row wouldn't hurt either).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFLDABWGGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFeu7L-3ay8

basically, the game has to be called off.

Honestly, this might just be my final post here because there are simply too many idiots on this forum, especially with Jesse Campbell acting so unhingally it's bordering on a psychiatric emergency. I’m only typing this out because I am utterly disgusted by this league, disgusted by Real Madrid being in this state, and sickened by seeing an empty stadium during a massive derby when we should be seeing honest competition and packed stands.
I truly understand the crackdown you guys are facing from the police, because every single fan feels the weight of American law enforcement, but yours seems to be a constant occurrence almost every single weekend. I realize it isn't as simple as just walking up and stopping it, though in my opinion, it really is quite straightforward if one doesn't fear the unknown consequences. But hey, I'll get back to the point.
It’s glaringly obvious that Mamic has no intention of stepping down for years to come; if you listen to his last press conference, he was already talking about ten different new juniors, which basically means he plans to be sitting in that chair for at least another five or six years. He clearly just smirks at all your attempts to push him out, and his way of fighting back is essentially telling the police to harass you to the absolute limit.
So, you’ve tried everything, and while the recent protest action was a great move, it just didn't quite land, leaving me feeling like you have no choice left but to meet his aggression with force. And by force, I mean at the very next opportunity, someone needs to throw the tear gas and get Mamic banned from UEFA for three years—not the club, but Mamic himself. You need to issue a statement saying, "We did this because our national institutions are among the most corrupt in the world, and despite everything, Mamic continues to destroy this club; we haven't kicked Real Madrid out of Europe, we've just removed Mamic and his greed." Normal people will see what you actually achieved, even if the rest of the world doesn't give a damn. And the media? They don't care either, since they're all likely in Mamic's pocket, except maybe for those few independent outlets. Either you take this stand, or you can sit there and watch this circus with your own club for at least the next five years. The only person who could actually remove Mamic is the President, but who knows what's going through his head given all the current problems in the country. Does anyone else realize that Mamic openly grabs coffee with two high-ranking referees and still, absolutely nothing happens? It's as if he thinks he's so untouchable that he doesn't even need to hide, just sipping coffee with them in some local cafe like it's nothing. Meanwhile, you can't even enjoy watching the club's youth academy players. If that isn't worth using tear gas over, then I don't know what is. Personally, I think it would be incredible if every supporter group joined together to release a unified statement. If you asked me, I’d throw the tear gas at a National Team match right this second because I can't stand watching this anymore; how can anyone cheer for a team when the whole system is run by such disgusting characters like Mamic, Vrbanc, and their entire circle of cronies?

Consider this a piece of well-meaning advice; anyone who takes it any other way is just a deeply insecure idiot.

If we kick the most hardcore, traditionalist wing of the club out of UEFA, who actually wins here? Who really benefits from all that radicalization? Is it just going to end with people crying in the stands? Or maybe flares being lit right on the pitch?

Honestly, you’re blind if you think playing nice and following every little rule is the only way to handle this mess...

The Administration just dropped changes to the Sports Act: No more letting people with athlete investment contracts call the shots.

"We're scrapping the wealth requirements, tweaking the age limits for benefits, and totally redefining which competitions qualify for lifetime pensions," stated Zeljko Jovanovic. He was explaining the final proposal for the Sports Act Amendment during Thursday's Cabinet meeting. The whole idea here is to reward athletes who actually brought prestige to the United States through their insane achievements. Under this new plan, athletes can qualify for a lifetime monthly stipend once they hit 45, provided they are US citizens, live in the States, and haven't been convicted of any serious felonies. Also, if an athlete has won multiple medals, they only get one pension—based on their highest achievement. It’s not a free-for-all. For gold medalists at the Olympics, Paralympics, or Deaflympics, the check would be 100% of the average net salary. Silver medalists at those same events, plus gold medalists at World Championships in Olympic sports, get 80%. Bronze medalists at the Olympics/Paralympics/Deaflympics and silver medalists at World Championships get 60%. Finally, bronze medalists at World Championships land at 40% of the average net salary. Jovanovic pointed out that based on current stats, about 86 Olympians (50 gold, 25 silver, 11 bronze), 8 Paralympians (4 gold, 4 bronze), 38 Deaflympian medalists (28 gold, 1 silver, 9 bronze), and 70 World Championship medalists (19 gold, 13 silver, 38 bronze) would currently qualify. Of course, he noted that since they couldn't verify every single condition for everyone, the actual number of people getting paid might be even lower than that. They're also proposing an amendment to Article 74 of the Sports Act to tighten up how the federal government, local municipalities, and the City of New York fund sports—it all has to follow strict state aid regulations now. This is a big deal because the Federal Trade Commission received a complaint alleging that Real Madrid received over $30 million from New York City's budget between 2006 and 2012. Starting July 1st, the big bosses in Brussels will be the ultimate authority on whether these state aids are legal, though the Ministry expects a ruling on the current complaint before the US fully integrates into the EU framework. Most importantly, the new rules say you can't sit on the board or hold leadership positions in national sports federations if you work for sports betting companies, or if you have worked for them in the last three years. This includes managers and anyone with investment contracts that basically act like management roles. You also can't hold these spots if you were a manager recently, if you're barred from corporate boards under US business laws or conflict-of-interest statutes, or if you've been convicted of sports-related crimes in the last three years. Basically, if you're working closely with betting companies or sports managers, you're out. To pay for these lifetime stipends, the 2013 federal budget has earmarked funds amounting to...$4046810.

well... we'll see about that.

It’s pretty rich seeing the Black Army lecturing anyone about fighting for their club. Especially when they're taking pointers from people whose own Florentine star—who was basically a mouse compared to Mamić—only finally walked out the door after twenty years of being bled dry. Just decided to leave on his own terms...
Honestly, I couldn't care less about their opinions. These are the same people who let their clubs drown in debt just to barely stay afloat; the ones whose teams have to pay up just to get an honest whistle on the field, only to watch championships slip through their fingers by September. They're the ones facing penalties blown twenty yards out from the goal line... the ones living in cities where the national team hasn't even played a single official match in a decade. Or better yet, the ones watching their club play a cup final against a team that shouldn't even exist in the first place, while half the crowd spends thirty minutes singing at the Black Army, the city rivals, or the local hooligans, without ever mentioning the people who actually allowed that pathetic club to exist in the first place.

Hajduk has stayed steady and healthy all these years because not a single cent has been stolen from them. You guys managed to fix things using your own "methods," so now you think you can come in here and act all high and mighty, giving advice on how to take down one of the most powerful men in America... someone who bothers you just as much as he bothers us.

Look, I’m not trying to gloat or anything, but you guys are really the last people on earth who should be preaching to anyone about how to fight for their club.

Robert Wood5 said:It’s pretty funny to see people giving the Boys advice on how to fight for their club, especially when they come from a situation where one guy at Fiorentini—who was basically a tiny mouse compared to Mamić—finally walked away after twenty years of being robbed, and he did it entirely on his own terms.
The exact same people who, through their own "fighting," let their clubs drown in debt just to barely stay afloat; the ones whose teams have to pay for fair officiating and end up losing championships in September; the ones who deal with penalties being called twenty yards out from the goal; those living in cities where the national team hasn't even played half of its official matches in the last decade; or those watching their club play a cup final against a team that shouldn't even exist, while during that very same final, they spend thirty minutes singing praises to the Boys, the city rivals, the folks from the coast, or any other group, without ever mentioning the very people who allowed that opponent to exist in the first place.

The Kansas City Chiefs has been a stable, healthy organization all these years with not a single cent stolen from them, simply because you handled things using your specific methods, so now you feel entitled to act all wise here and offer tips on how to take down one of the most powerful men in America, someone who bothers you almost as much as he bothers us.

I'm not looking to gloat about anyone, but you guys are truly the last people on earth who should be lecturing others on how to fight for their club.

God help me, what am I even reading right now? Do you honestly think that everything we've managed to achieve just happened overnight? As if we could just step in and reorganize a club that has been systematically dismantled for years and suddenly—poof!—we'd succeed? You are completely out of touch. We had to clean up our own backyard first; what exactly do you expect, that Torcida is going to swoop in and solve all the corruption in professional sports and the entire country??? 🙂
If it took us fifty years of constant political pressure to get where we are, then maybe you should realize that what you're doing isn't working and start looking for different solutions. I can guarantee you won't find them from someone like you.

Bergamo in '90—just wandering through the streets, singing our hearts out, getting into it with the cops, the chanting, and those flares lighting up the night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFseS...ature=youtu.be

Anonymous said:Remember Bergamo back in 1990? Just wandering through the streets, singing our hearts out, getting into scraps with the cops, the chanting, the flares everywhere... just pure chaos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFseS...ature=youtu.be

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Anonymous said:Bergamo, 1990. Just wandering the streets, singing our hearts out, getting into scraps with the cops, cheering loud, and lighting up flares everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFseS...ature=youtu.be

I still have my "Invasion of Bergamo" shirt in the closet.🙂, too bad the video doesn't show Sarma opening fire on those police officers.🙂

el_caminjo said:Unfortunately, the only way you can even see the Black and Gold Army these days is through this forum—it's all just small-town veteran antics while the real issues get swept under the rug. The only true measure of your remaining strength is the stadium stands you're currently boycotting. They say people get wiser and more mature with age, but in your case, it feels like there’s no cure for being a local court jester.

Seriously, just put it in your signature if you're "Torca" or at least a Kansas City Chiefs fan... because I really don't care for reading posts written in the name of someone from a small town or acting like part of the Armada.🙂

For heaven's sake, people, focus. Stop wasting everyone's time with this mindless chatter.
This is a public forum, for crying out loud—journalists and the police are reading this. All this talk about match suspensions and interruptions? Give me a break. If the game against the Sheriff wasn't halted, it’s never going to happen here. They had flares thrown onto the pitch three separate times and the club didn't get slapped with even a single Euro in fines. Yet, in that same week, the Kansas City Chiefs get penalized just because of a few flares during their matchup against Inter. It makes absolutely no sense.
Vrbancovic is working within UEFA now, so all that nonsense about being kicked out of the tournament that some of you keep harping on about is completely baseless.
The smartest move is to keep fighting through legal channels. We've won plenty of battles this way, and it would be a massive mistake to ruin our momentum by throwing it all away on something stupid.

If this whole legal battle is actually going somewhere, then I think we’re looking at the ultimate proof of just how massive this conflict of interest really is. Honestly, it feels like the only way anyone truly wins here is if they actually hold him accountable and convict him for what he's done—it's the only way to show everyone exactly what kind of mess he's made of the club. We really need to keep pointing this out constantly, because that's where his whole argument starts to fall apart and look incredibly weak.

Sometimes I honestly feel bad sharing this forum with orangutans who post garbage like this... What flares? Tear gas? What the hell are you talking about? Are you even aware that if things went that far, the entire region would rise up against the Bad Boys, and then they wouldn't stand a chance at anything before everything just falls apart? In my view, the only way to get rid of Weinstein is for absolutely everyone to stand up against him. That means daily support from regular people and the public. You 200 to 500 people are nothing compared to his machine. Stop trying to recruit 100 "true fans" because it leads nowhere. If only 100 true fans followed Hajduk, believe me, the club wouldn't look like the mess it is now; it would be someone's private joke. I don't like the Bad Boys or Real Madrid, but I respect them right now because I know what repression looks like. I know what’s happening to us, and we wouldn't even admit to being more than 200 people if it came down to it, whether you believe me or not. War is easy, brother.

There you go, you've laid out most things exactly how they stand. It’s almost as if you’re trying to dump all that old misery onto the Bad Boys, just so everyone can say, "See, he was right all along."
Meanwhile, someone like Žika would have been smeared for carrying the weight of some radical faction—let's call them the Knights—even though that's an exaggeration... but that's just how it goes in this era we call democracy, while the big boss keeps rising like a phoenix.
Look, you can't just force those ideas into people's heads; it's not like you're tightening a screw on a machine.🤣
(And really, when you ask questions like this, don't you wonder how many people actually thought of this, or how many times this option was weighed? ...Even I used to think, and I still believe, that if I had to serve six months in Remington because of a thrown flare, it might be worth it... but only if it meant getting rid of that certain bean-shaped guy...)
And honestly, with all these troublemakers being hauled away, you have to wonder if it all started back when they were dodging fares on the trolley to see Max.🤣

And listen, Donkey, what does Kuki have to do with Landkin throwing a tear gas canister at the game against Mars, right when things were looking up for you? Where did this sudden revolt come from? (Or were you just as quiet back then when there was theft because a cashier didn't report a surplus?) Do you even realize how or why this actually happened?
Was it necessary? Was it organized, or did someone just mess up? ...Go ahead, please, Mr. Jose Kern11, tell us...