Bad Boys - Part IV

"At that exact moment, Weinstein actually demanded the journalists be excused because he’s supposedly allergic to them and breaks out in hives,"

just another press conference being called every five minutes... pure masochism...

Henry Patel74 said:Sometimes I honestly regret sharing a forum with orangutans who type this kind of garbage... what flares, what tear gas? Are you even aware that if things went that far, the entire region would rise up against the Bad Boys, and then they wouldn't stand a chance? Everything would just fall apart... In my opinion, the only way to get rid of Weinstein is for absolutely everyone to stand up against him. That means daily support from regular people—the public. Because you 200 or 500 people are nothing compared to his massive machine. Stop talking about "the true 100." If only 100 real fans followed Hajduk, believe me, the club wouldn't look like it does now; it would be someone's private playground. I don't care for the Bad Boys or Real Madrid, but I respect them right now because I know what repression looks like. I know what’s happening to us, and we wouldn't even be able to admit there were more than 200 of us if it weren't for them. Making war is easy, brother.

Bravo, Einstein. We had no idea. Now, why don't you tell us exactly where this "masses" or "regular people" are supposed to come from? Good grief, man. Our own supporters have been attacking our guys just for lighting flares at Sheriff, filming them and showing the footage to the cops and the police. People flooded out to Villarreal and PAOK specifically because we were boycotting, just so they could discredit us and spite us. Go ahead, read this five times and tell me: can you actually believe what you're reading? And do you still seriously think that if the Bad Boys put in a little effort and had 5,000 people behind them, that the masses would suddenly rise up and take down Weinstein?

Can't you see that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when he tries to copy you?

Eric Phillips52, asking how to build fan support is easy, but here’s the reality: without the crowd behind you, you’ve got nothing. I’m not here to lecture anyone or pretend I have all the answers—this is just my take, and maybe I'm wrong, but whatever. If you claim you know we need mass support, then stop talking and actually put in the work to improve this club. Let me be clear: boycotting games won't achieve a damn thing. All you're doing is digging our own grave. Plus, it'll screw over every other group because once those bastards at UEFA decide to come after us, they’re going to hit us with everything they've got.

Eric Phillips52 said:Bravo, Einstein, thanks for the insight. So tell me, where do you think all those crowds and regular folks come from? Look, man, our own fans were out there attacking our guys just for lighting flares at the Sheriff or showing them off to the cops. People showed up in droves to the Villarreal and PAOK games specifically because we were boycotting—just to make us look bad and spite us. Read this five times and tell me if you actually believe this crap. You really think a few Bad Boys could pull it off when they have 5,000 people backing them? Could they actually move Weinstein?

You're totally exaggerating. Most people are on our side now. It just took them a minute to catch on. Americans can be slow and stubborn, so it takes time to sink in. Just look at the attendance over the last year; things have shifted.

If we wanted massive support, Weinstein would need to start losing games in the domestic league. Then you'd see real chaos. But that won't happen because the other teams are basically hollowed out. Partly because the league is garbage, and partly because they messed up themselves.

But honestly, none of that matters. Weinstein has no future left. His whole scheme is finished...

Jesse Campbell said:I think you might be exaggerating quite a bit, actually. I mean, most people really are on our side, though I suppose they just needed some time to catch up. People can be somewhat slow to react sometimes, which I guess is just how things go. If you look at the turnout over this past year, it seems like things have finally started to shift...

I imagine if we wanted to see truly massive support, Weinstein would probably need to start losing games in the domestic league; then you’d see real chaos. Of course, that likely won't happen because the other teams are just too disorganized—partly due to the mess that is this league, and partly because of their own mistakes, I guess.

But honestly, none of that will even matter. It feels like Weinstein doesn't really have a long-term vision anymore. His whole project and scheme seem to be winding down...

And who exactly is with us? Honestly, it feels like you're just talking nonsense day after day. Believe me, from all the people I've spoken to, the general public thinks we're nothing more than lowlifes, addicts, or unemployed losers, and I've talked to a huge amount of people. Folks in Chicago don't care one bit. They just don't give a damn. As long as they have enough to eat and get by every day, they couldn't care less about us or anything else. We live in times where someone might actually stab another person over $33. Until the situation in this country improves, and the national mindset shifts too, I suspect we'll continue to be treated like bottom-feeders by the "normal" crowd, and until then, the system is just going to keep messing with our heads

steelseal10 said:Who's actually riding with us? You're just talking nonsense daily. Honestly, most people I've run into think we're nothing but junkies or losers with zero jobs, and I've talked to plenty. People in Chicago couldn't care less about what happens here. They don't give a damn as long as they have food on the table and a roof over their heads. We live in a world where someone would stab you for $33. Until things change in this country—and until the way people think changes too—we're always gonna be viewed as bottom-feeders by the "respectable" crowd. And until then, the system is just gonna keep messing with our heads

People who are against Weinstein. I don't give a damn if some random thinks I'm a junkie or unemployed. 🙄

It’s honestly pathetic how you both have a point... 😁

There’s always this crowd that blames us for everything and treats us like we're nothing (but let's be real, most of them don't even follow soccer... unless it's the World Cup, Barcelona, or some other nonsense)...
Then you've got the people who actually get it—or finally figured it out after a decade—but they just don't give a damn because they've got bigger problems than Real Madrid (like the stuff steelseal10 was talking about)...

The only way to actually gain any traction would be if Real Madrid started losing, which is what Jesse Campbell is suggesting, but that wouldn't matter anyway since nobody shows up to the games... plus, the media picks on us at every single turn, so even "promotion" doesn't work, except maybe in small circles 🤷

Jesse Campbell said:They’re on our side because they’re standing up against Jerry Jones. Honestly, I don't give a damn if people think I'm some junked-out loser with nothing better to do. 🙄

At that last protest against Jerry Jones’s tyranny, there were maybe 150 people there, and 100 of them were just kids.

What would actually change if Real Madrid started losing? Nothing. You can bet all 150 of those fans would still show up at the stadium. It’s a joke.

Jerry Jones either has to kick politics out of the organization or just step down entirely. There isn't a third option.

copperharbor02 said:I mean, honestly, what would even change if Real Madrid started losing? Their 150 die-hard fans would still show up to the stadium in droves, wouldn't they? It’s almost laughable.

I suppose Jerry Jones will either have to step away from the political side of things or just exit the club entirely; I don't really see any other way this plays out.

The truth is, Jerry Jones stays because he’s essentially required to be there. It isn't even about whether he wants to stay or not, really; there's always someone higher up the ladder who benefits from him holding his position. I guess until we collectively accept that reality, we're going to keep seeing endless bans, legal battles, and these unfortunate attempts to suppress the whole community. As long as he's grabbing coffee with corrupt officials, local police chiefs, and those other "legal" criminals, there isn't much we can actually do about it.

steelseal10 said:Mamić is here because he has to be. It doesn't matter if he wants to or not. There is always someone above him who finds it useful for him to stay in power. Until we accept that reality, there will just keep being endless bans, prison sentences, and unfortunately, constant attempts to shut down the whole scene. As long as he’s out grabbing coffee with crooked judges, police chiefs, and other "legal" criminals, there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

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That is exactly it. Only a blind person wouldn't see it—or maybe they just refuse to. But that's the sad truth.

steelseal10 said:Mamić is there because he has to be. It’s not even about whether he wants to be or not. There’s always someone higher up who benefits from him staying in power. I guess until we just accept that reality, there's going to be a thousand bans, tons of jail time, and honestly, more attempts to shut down the whole scene. As long as he's out grabbing coffee with those corrupt judges, police chiefs, and other "legal" criminals, there isn't much we can actually do.

Exactly. Who really benefits from Mamić being gone? If he left, the whole city would go crazy with excitement and the group would get stronger again. But none of the people in charge want any kind of pushback from the public. And since the fans are basically the only real opposition—the only group capable of actually sparking change—they're the ones everyone's trying to silence.

Jeremy Brooks3 said:That’s exactly it. I suppose Mamić’s departure wouldn't suit anyone in power, really. If he left, there might actually be a sense of euphoria throughout the City and a chance for the fan groups to find their strength again. It seems to me that those in charge aren't particularly fond of any kind of public opposition, and since the fans are essentially the only group with enough heart to actually spark real change, they've become a target.

I honestly feel like those mafia types over at Times Square don't want him gone, which is probably why they're keeping him in place. It feels like they realize the fans are the only ones with the guts to actually shake things up, so they use their little puppets to systematically tear down the supporter culture.

steelseal10 said:Mamić stays because he’s essentially mandated to be there—it isn't really about his own desire. There is always someone higher up the food chain who finds it convenient for him to remain in power. Until we come to terms with that reality, we’ll just keep seeing endless bans, prison sentences, and—sadly—continued attempts to shut down the whole scene. As long as he’s grabbing coffee with the crooked judges, police chiefs, and those other "legal" criminals, our hands are effectively tied...

Who exactly is above Mamić? Who benefits from having him "in charge"? And more importantly, who is he actually answering to? Come on, give us some specifics—some actual substance—for those of us who don't have access to the inside intel you seem to be carrying around. 👍

steelseal10 said:Mamić is there simply because he has to be. It’s not even about whether he wants to be or not; there’s always someone higher up the food chain who finds it convenient to keep him in place. Until we come to terms with that reality, we’re going to keep seeing endless bans, legal harassment, and these constant, desperate attempts to shut down our movement. As long as he’s grabbing coffee with corrupt judges, police chiefs, and other "legal" criminals, we’re essentially stuck.

You say there's nothing we can do, but I think that's the wrong way to look at it.
Maybe we don't have much leverage right this second, but that doesn't mean we surrender. We keep fighting until our ideas finally catch fire and resonate with people.

Henry Grant51 said:You're telling me there's nothing we can do? That's just wrong.
Maybe we're stuck for the moment, but giving up isn't an option; we keep fighting until our vision finally catches fire.

tick tock🤣, but seriously now. Mamić has no clue what he's doing anymore, so he’s just throwing whatever works at the wall to see if it gets people back to the stadium. He's trying to manufacture some kind of hype, hoping a few wins in the Champions League might actually win the fans over and make him less of a public villain. He knows perfectly well that without the supporters, his seat starts feeling a lot less stable—not to mention that massive ego of his that clearly drives him crazy. I don't get why you guys don't hit him where it hurts; nobody gives a damn about the old guard anymore. He'll just keep spiraling further and further... until everything finally collapses.🤣

I honestly think when this whole thing first kicked off, nobody anticipated it would drag on this long without yielding any tangible results.

Then again, Mamić is still waiting on his court date with Edward, then there’s Johnson, and the sports inspection—though I don't expect much from them either. Even the ZZD was granted the "right to respond" by the high administrative court as an interested party... so it's not entirely bleak; we just need patience.

Mukte is absolutely right when he says Mamić is essentially finished, but the real question is how long this "death throes" phase will actually last. It would be a disaster if every single game saw 5,000 to 10,000 people showing up who have zero beef with Mamić or even actively support him, all while the media writes about him the way they did a few years ago—especially if the sports inspection and the Department of Education step in to validate the club's current structure as legitimate. If that happens, we're dead in the water.

Look, the reality is there's no grassroots support. He has to face the Minister—who conveniently sends him the sports agency—and prove through a player he was taking kickbacks from that this club's setup is actually legal and legitimate. On top of that, the media coverage remains overwhelmingly negative or at least neutral.

Sitting around having coffee with Supreme Court justices or shouting at Republican rallies won't save him. And that's not even counting the cops (since he left his roots behind a long time ago) that he can order more easily than I can order a pizza... But even that won't last forever.

blah blah blah, it’s always the same old story, isn't it? 🤷 God, I am so done with Mamić.

Jeremy Torres17 said:Look, please just put in your signature that you're part of "Torca" or at least a Hajduk fan... Because I honestly don't care if you write from the perspective of someone from Rijeka or an Armada member.🙂

God forbid I write on behalf of anyone. If you have a problem with it, maybe just don't read.🙂