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Editing the first pages of a thread

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Participants northernmasonRobin Morris2wiredangler5feraltrucker5Christian Taylor3hollowtrucker77fadedowlbrighttinker48Thomas Fox67Samuel Morgan40
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
4 messages
joined Aug 2011
#1 ·
I guess I have a request to look into cleaning up the first few pages of threads in the Music subforum, and maybe elsewhere too.
Today I opened a couple of new threads that had great intros, only to find them filled with posts that were basically just pure garbage—just people posting insults and nonsense.
It seems fair to me that if a user actually puts in the effort to follow all the forum rules and write a decent opening, at least the first page shouldn't be cluttered with such total trash.
When someone starts a thread like that, they should actually have something intelligent to read, rather than feeling like they just opened a forum about wars or infectious diseases.😕☕
Robin Morris2 Robin Morris2 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2010
#2 ·
It really would be quite a blessing if we had the ability to actually edit the opening post of a thread, particularly when you're navigating the depths of the Verizon boards... ☕
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#3 ·
What specific topics are we talking about? Drop a few links as examples so we can get a better idea.
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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joined Aug 2011
#4 ·
wiredangler5 said:What specific topics? Maybe drop a few links so we can actually see what you mean.

Here, take these:

http://www.reddit.com/r/threads/example1

http://www.reddit.com/r/threads/example2
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#5 ·
Thanks for the links. I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, people who aren't fans of his music have every right to say they aren't feeling it. Not every comment is just a string of emojis; some folks actually take the time to explain exactly what they don't like and why. You can't really deny anyone the right to speak their mind, whether they're sharing praise or offering specific, reasoned criticism.
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
wiredangler5 said:Alright, thanks for the links. I get where you're coming from, I guess, but people who don't like his music have every right to say what they want. Not every single post is just a bunch of random emojis; some people actually take the time to explain why they aren't fans. You can't really deny anyone the right to share their thoughts, whether they're being positive or offering actual, explained criticism.

Some were fine, everyone has an opinion, but that Chuck Norris guy seriously shouldn't be complaining about anything, not even a few stupid emojis.
I just think it discourages people from starting new threads, which isn't easy or simple to do.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#7 ·
I actually deleted comments like those when I first started this thread, so I'm with you there. If we want this discussion to be worth anything, people need to stick to constructive praise or criticism. That's just how it should be.
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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#8 ·
wiredangler5 said:I deleted comments like those when I first started this thread, so I'm with you there. If we want this discussion to actually be worth anything, people need to stick to constructive feedback, whether they're praising or complaining. That's just how it should be.

Agreed. My request was handled.☕
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#9 ·
northernmason said:I just feel like this kind of stuff discourages anyone from starting a new thread, which honestly isn't exactly a walk in the park.

Yeah, tell me about it. You practically need a PhD in nuclear physics just to figure out how to post a simple thread on this forum without tripping over your own feet.

And honestly, if someone’s only showing up here because they're hunting for a pat on the back for absolutely nothing, they shouldn't be posting on a forum at all. Go start a blog instead—just make sure you turn off the comments section first so nobody can hurt your feelings.

Though, looking at the state of things, I have no idea why the hell I even bother chiming in here. It's not like anyone actually asks for my two cents on anything. Anyway, carry on, don't let anyone get in your way.
Christian Taylor3 Christian Taylor3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#10 ·
northernmason said:I mean, when someone actually starts a thread like this, they're just looking for something decent to read, not starting some massive flame war or a debate about a global pandemic.😕.☕.

northernmason said:Take this one, for example:

northernmason said:I just think all this discourages anyone from even bothering to start a new thread, which honestly isn't easy or simple.

Just straight-up copying and pasting from Wikipedia—without adding a single sentence of your own thoughts or perspective in the opening post—really should be treated as spam (and deleted or locked, obviously). That isn't what I'd call a high-quality thread, regardless of the topic. We used to have a user on our movie forum doing this constantly, posting several a day; they don't anymore because they've been banned from starting new threads.

feraltrucker5 said:Yeah, definitely not. It's like you need a PhD in nuclear physics just to post a single thread on a forum.

Anyone expecting nothing but praise regardless of how they contribute shouldn't bother posting here at all. They should just start a blog—though they probably shouldn't forget to turn off the comments.

Though, honestly, I have no idea why I'm even chiming in here. It's not like anyone is asking for my opinion on anything. Just carry on, don't let me interrupt.

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I can almost see hollowtrucker77 showing up with a couple of sentences regarding the whole "starting threads and discussions with links or galleries" thing.😬
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#11 ·
I’m just going to sit here and nod along with everything said about C/P being nothing more than pure spam, honestly.
🙂
Robin Morris2 Robin Morris2 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2010
#12 ·
And this >
first post
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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#13 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Yeah, not really. I guess you need a PhD in nuclear physics just to start a thread on this forum.

You don't need a PhD, but you definitely need time, which I don't have.
And honestly, why bother wasting time on an intro when people who don't listen will just jump in and flood the thread anyway?
So, I don't think starting a thread is that smart anymore.
Besides, the only thread I actually care about already exists, and that's basically the only reason I'm even here.
I just drop by the rest of this stuff out of boredom, and I only post when I actually have something useful or smart to say.
This was just my little attempt at making the forum look better.
But apparently even that's not good enough for some people, so maybe I should just shut up so I don't get chewed out again.😂
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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#14 ·
Christian Taylor3 said:Just raw copy-pasting from Wikipedia—without adding a single thought or opinion in the intro—should be treated as spam (so, delete or lock it, obviously). This isn't a quality thread, or anything else for that matter. We had one user on IMDb who would start several of these a day; they don't anymore since they got banned from starting new threads.

So I guess this crowd does the same thing now. It never even crossed my mind.😂
It’s also kind of funny how people start a thread and then just vanish forever.😕
fadedowl fadedowl Member
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joined Dec 2006
#15 ·
Look, I’m telling you, she just churns out thread after thread and then has the nerve to claim they’re all useless; take a look at 1, 2
The whole thing feels like it's run by some mindless spam bot, especially since about 90% of her other posts are nothing but spam using those tacky tabloid-style images
brighttinker48 brighttinker48 Member
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joined Nov 2021
#16 ·
Robin Morris2 said:It’d be pretty sweet if we could edit the opening post of a thread, especially over in the Verizon section... ☕

Can the mods 🙂
? Just shoot me a PM with whatever changes you want to make.
I was planning on adding a little blurb about the phone to every OP, but I just got back from a trip and I'm playing catch-up.
Plus, the Apps subforum is launching soon, so there'll be plenty of work waiting for me there too.

But look, if you (or anyone else) sends me a solid first post via PM—like a proper review or something—I'll get it posted in the thread immediately. 🙂
Robin Morris2 Robin Morris2 Newcomer
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#17 ·
Look, I’m well aware that the moderators have the final say here, and honestly, you've already gone through the trouble of editing my post several times 😁

But listen, I’ve been sitting on this idea to put together a comprehensive, all-in-one Android tutorial—complete with screenshots and everything... something akin to a polished addition you might want to tuck into your own Android FAQ, just much more streamlined and user-friendly than what's currently out there.
I'm talking about catering to the absolute beginners—you know, those "how do I even turn this thing on" type of rookie questions that seem to pop up in every other thread I scroll through.😁
Thomas Fox67 Thomas Fox67 Member
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joined Oct 2010
#18 ·
So I already dropped a comment over on Simp-landia saying that she’s basically cranking out a whole new thread for every single living singer who barely even has two posts to their name... honestly, I don't know what everyone else thinks about it, but it feels a little bit like trolling if you ask me. I’d personally suggest looking into adding some sub-forums under Music—like maybe one just for Pop? Because right now, that section is absolutely slammed with threads (I mean, I’m definitely jumping in too, don't get me wrong) ranging from Beyoncé and Adele to Britney and Gage and stuff like that. And the same thing goes for the television section—that "Unseen" area is just a massive pile of threads about those Turkish soap operas that everyone is obsessed with lately...
northernmason northernmason NewcomerOP
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#19 ·
Elizabeth Torres43 said:Maybe we could consider adding a sub-forum for Pop Music? It's getting pretty crowded with threads ranging from Beyoncé and Adele to Britney Spears and others. The same goes for the television section—the Unaired category is overflowing with discussions about those trendy foreign soap operas...

I guess that might not be a bad idea.☕
Samuel Morgan40 Samuel Morgan40 Active Member
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joined Mar 2010
#20 ·
northernmason said:So, I have a small request to consider regarding the organization of at least the first pages of threads in the Music subforum—and perhaps others as well.
Today, I opened several new threads featuring excellent introductions, only to find myself reading posts filled with absolute garbage, nonsense, vitriol, and general trash.
I feel it would be quite fair and respectful toward the forum member who actually took the time to carefully craft an opening thread according to all the community rules if their first page wasn't immediately cluttered with such mindless drivel.

I suppose I’d agree with the American. We can't exactly forbid people from commenting when they don't share a preference for a certain artist—whether on the first page or any other—since these threads aren't exclusively for superfans. However, I certainly agree that we should be purging "unsubstantiated" comments—spamming, constant trolling, off-topic rambling, and the like. That does happen, of course; sometimes things slip through because even the moderators aren't online 24/7 (and frankly, many of us are on here far longer than that), and we aren't perfect at moderating—we're only human, after all. 😁

In this particular instance, it looks like some kind of chain reaction occurred—one person starts, then another follows suit. Perhaps it was just bad timing, or maybe it was a deliberate attempt to spite the thread starter due to the aforementioned circumstances (specifically, how the thread was opened and the frequency of similar topics being posted over a few days).
northernmason said:Some were fine—everyone is entitled to their opinion—but that Chuck Norris individual really has no business being there, not even with a single sarcastic emoji.
I just think it discourages anyone from bothering to start a new thread, which, let's be honest, isn't easy or simple.

In any case, once you decide to open a thread, you have to be prepared for the fact that someone might not have a single kind word to say about your favorite artist (or that your thread might end up with zero replies), which, if I recall correctly, has been part of the site guidelines for ages. If someone's negative comment regarding an open thread—or the artist itself—discourages them from starting more threads, then I guess that's ultimately the responsibility of the thread starter. Of course, I am not referring to those deleted outbursts of bile. If we don't manage to intervene in time, there is always that little triangle icon to report a post. The moderators will see what's going on and decide whether to delete it, issue a warning, or leave it be. Besides, when you're setting up a thread, you can always specify what you (or wouldn't) want to see in it.

Elizabeth Torres43 said:I already mentioned on one of the simp-heavy threads that in the music section, people are starting a new thread for every single singer who is still alive and only has two posts... I don't know what everyone else thinks about it, but it feels a bit like trolling.

It’s the same thing you’re seeing—though in my case, it isn't even trolling, it's just straight-up spam. I’ve already had a word with her about it, so from here on out, everything related to that issue is a hard 5.

I was wondering if we could perhaps look into creating a dedicated sub-forum for Pop Music, because that section is absolutely overflowing with threads (even though I participate in them myself)—everything from Beyoncé and Adele to Britney and Gage, you name it. The same goes for the Television section—the "Unseen" area is packed with endless discussions about those Turkish soap operas that everyone seems obsessed with lately...

To be honest, I’ve given that some thought myself, but it feels like a massive undertaking right now. Given how messy genres have become these days—with all the sub-genres, sub-sub-genres, and whatever else exists—trying to pigeonhole certain artists strictly into "Pop" would be a nightmare. I suspect we'd eventually deal with comments like: why the hell is Some-random-performer posted in the Pop section when they're basically making Britpop, indie stuff, R&B, or dance music? .

In any case, the suggestion will be taken under consideration. Even if we don't go through with a new sub-forum, we might consider some other way to organize things.

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