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Request for help removing Perme - Grandpa's Tambura (Vol. 2)

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Participants Betty Taylor37Anthony Perez28Gary Cox2Samuel James2Keith Miller30Anthony Jackson2placidviperWilliam Bennett53
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1 ·
Well, I’m at a loss. It’s been two days and zero reaction from the mods or admins. Apparently, they’ve forgotten I even exist on this Forum. 🙂

So, I decided to dig up a few posts from my old threads just to demonstrate how I actually handle discussions.

LJES
On dating dynamics
On sex and its societal impact

On cheating

Soccer
From the thread about the greatest soccer players in history

Fitness
Giving advice to other members regarding fitness or just general debate (I noticed Marković has an incredible physique in his recent photos; he probably picked up a few things from my advice, haha 😛)

I know it’s not standard practice to pull old posts and drop links, but here we are. I’m genuinely curious—since it's been two days without any response from those who need to decide if I should return to the Forum or not—what's the hold-up? Why won't anyone say anything so I know where I stand? These links above are meant to show you the kind of approach I took in the threads I frequented most. You all know how I debated; I was always serious and constructive. If you've forgotten, consider these links a refresher.🙂

Yes, I caused some major issues on the PŽK board which led to me being banned. It happened. Sometimes when you get going, you can't stop; it was purely emotional. I was bitter because I felt I wasn't getting the same treatment as other members. I recognize my mistakes, and it won't happen again. But shouldn't there be room for a second chance here? Even for someone who contributes more than almost anyone else?

Come on, people. If you have a problem with me, or if you think I don't deserve to post here because of certain reasons, just say it. It isn't right to leave a thread sitting for two days with no response, only to have it locked with the excuse, "You filed an appeal, nobody replied, so we're locking the thread." That’s unfair to me and to anyone who follows.

I'm looking for some decency and an actual answer. Thanks in advance.
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#2 ·
It's been seven days since this request and still zero response from the Forum "management"... it’s getting ridiculous. 😬 🙂
I can only assume you're making decisions "behind closed doors," or maybe there's actually some hope I'll be allowed to post again. Otherwise, you would have just posted here saying, "you're incapable of communicating, you don't contribute to discussions, you're constantly causing trouble," locked the thread, and called it a day.

Look, I get it. I broke the rules. I definitely acted provocatively on certain sub-sections of the site. Sure, I caused issues elsewhere later on, but that was pure rebellion—I wasn't thinking straight back then. I insulted some users a few times, racked up enough strikes, and now I'm facing a ban.
Am I solely responsible for the drama in those sections? I'm not going there. All I'll say is that the user I clashed with most frequently ended up getting her own dedicated thread because another user complained about her.

Regards. I hope a decision regarding my ban is reached soon. I know I earned it, but I also believe I deserve a second chance based on how I behaved before things went south.
With all due respect to the moderators—and I know the head mods have the final say on bans—a user's posts speak for themselves. I've provided plenty of examples of my communication style in the links above.

Grandpa's guitar
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#3 ·
Look, Nice, just lift this permanent ban. You and I both know I'm not a troublemaker; if you look at the threads where I've posted most, across all three "main" threads, I have zero infractions. Every penalty I ever took was earned back at the local high school game; sure, I messed up and jumped into arguments, and maybe I should have thought twice, but what's done is done.

Things finally boiled over during the championship game, and once I started, I couldn't stop the insults, which landed me this permanent ban. But let's be clear: I am NOT a problematic user, so please just lift the ban. Enough time has passed (two six-month stretches) for me to learn from my mistakes.

Don't think I'm begging for mercy. There are plenty of other forums out there—some much better than this one—but I found my niche here. I actually enjoy the debates, and I hope you'll do the right thing, especially since I try to stay as respectful as possible.

Now, as for why the mods who were deep in the trenches with me—discussing the MLS, the greatest soccer players of all time, photo commentary in the lounge, or those various threads on the tech boards... why won't they acknowledge my constructive input? (I even linked some of my own posts to prove my general approach). I honestly don't know. They can ignore me for all I care. A user might be unlikable to a moderator, but if they contribute, participate, and take things seriously, they deserve a second chance.

If you aren't going to lift the ban, just lock the thread. What's the point in waiting? At least now everyone else can see the character of certain mods who participated in the same threads I did but refuse to speak up now. This thread has been sitting here for ten days without a single comment from a mod. If someone wanted to say, "He doesn't fit in, he fights too much, he ruins discussions," etc., I'd respect that honesty. But they can't label me that way because they saw how I behaved in their own threads.

Screw this. It looks like the ban isn't going anywhere. So, thanks to everyone I debated with on this site. Maybe I'll see you on another forum in a much healthier atmosphere.

Regards
Anthony Perez28 Anthony Perez28 Member
14 messages
joined Mar 2015
#4 ·
You really did it, Grandpa 👋
Look, if it means anything to you, I’ve never once viewed you as "problematic"
🤷
Or maybe it just didn't resonate with me personally 😬
To be honest, I don't actually know you very well—outside of your DT profile on this Forum
But I notice you frequently stir the pot with that persona, doing so in a remarkably polite and civil manner, which stands in stark contrast to certain others here
So, I'm actually quite glad to see you're blonde
I can't quite put my finger on why, but 😬
😍
👋

🙈 or perhaps you intend to use that other handle
I suppose I misread the situation 😬
From what I can tell, you're blonde 😁
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#5 ·
🤣 😁 Look, I'm not exaggerating 😂. I’ve asked to have my permissions revoked twice within a single year—you know, how you can basically request a reset every six months or so
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What can I say? Thanks. I'll admit it: I caused some drama on the main Forum and got dragged into pointless arguments, trolling just to be a nuisance, and other childish stuff... it happened. It could have been avoided, but it happened, so what now? Later, feeling like I was being treated unfairly after getting banned from the primary Forum, things got heated and the permissions were stripped. But if you think I'm a troublemaker, you're dead wrong. A person's posts speak for themselves, and my history in those specific threads shows exactly who I am
.

Thanks again for the support 🙂
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P. S. 🙂 And yeah, I'm blue here, but I'm gray over there
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Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#6 ·
Quick question if I can ask—is there actually a deadline for deciding whether someone gets back on the forum, or can these appeals drag on forever like they do in our American court system? 😬

Regarding the appeal itself, I’ve said my piece and admitted where I messed up. My head is clear now, and I’m certain everything will be fine once the permanent ban is lifted... I honestly don't know what else I'm supposed to do. It’s pretty disappointing that not a single mod or admin has weighed in on this appeal yet. I don't get the attitude, seriously 🤷 I'm not sure if it's standard practice for appeals to take this long, so if that's the case, my bad

Here's a suggestion: if you think I'm such a problem, maybe just lift the permanent ban but keep the partial restriction on the main section (though even that wouldn't be totally fair since I only caused issues in two specific PDF threads, while the rest of the section has topics I'd actually care about and would behave perfectly in). After that, if I prove myself to be a respectful user over time—which isn't even an issue on my end—then maybe we could talk about lifting that partial restriction too.
Gary Cox2 Gary Cox2 Active Member
55 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7 ·
look Grandpa was basically built for this... he can go harder than most women out there 😉

Good to see you. Fingers crossed your request gets approved and Grandpa stays in the game..
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#8 ·
Gary Cox2 said:look Grandpa was basically built for this... he can go harder than most women out there 😉

Good to see you. Fingers crossed your request gets approved and Grandpa stays in the game..

We'll be having this conversation again. ☕ 😛
Gary Cox2 said:look Grandpa was basically built for this... he can go harder than most women out there 😉

Good to see you. Fingers crossed your request gets approved and Grandpa stays in the game..

Thanks. I know exactly who I was sweet to, and I know exactly who's been sweet to me. 😍)

😉
Samuel James2 Samuel James2 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2010
#9 ·
Wait, are you that same Grandpa from the trash thread? If you are, man, I seriously loved reading your posts—they were such a blast. I really hope you decide to come back to the Forum 😁
!
Keith Miller30 Keith Miller30 Regular
328 messages
joined Aug 2014
#10 ·
I find myself strongly opposed to the idea of Grandpa returning to the Forum, as his presence simply doesn't sit right with me. May I ask that my perspective be given some serious consideration?

If everyone can just agree that CR is the greatest soccer player of all time, then perhaps you can consider bringing him back.
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#11 ·
Samuel James2 said:Wait, are you that same Grandpa from the trash thread? If you are, man, I seriously loved reading your posts—they were such a blast. I really hope you decide to come back to the Forum 😁
!

If there aren't any other grandpas around, then that's me. 😁
Keith Miller30 said:I find myself strongly opposed to the idea of Grandpa returning to the Forum, as his presence simply doesn't sit right with me. May I ask that my perspective be given some serious consideration?

If everyone can just agree that CR is the greatest soccer player of all time, then perhaps you can consider bringing him back.

America is...🤔He’s currently the best soccer player out there. Honestly, it was a tough pill to swallow when that was finally acknowledged. ☕

🤣
Keith Miller30 Keith Miller30 Regular
328 messages
joined Aug 2014
#12 ·
Well, he actually seems quite likable to me. Why don't you bring him back?
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#13 ·
😁

Thanks for the support. 😉 Honestly, I really miss having those Soccer PDFs. 😁
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#14 ·
Dear moderators, admins, and fellow Forum members,

I need to get one last thing off my chest, and this will be my final post on this thread. I want to go into detail because I see other appeals where people list every single tiny grievance, specific situation, or user involved. Honestly, everything regarding my appeal has already been said and I’m probably just being annoying, but I’ll provide a "deep dive" into 🤣 everything that led up to this. This is my honest take on the issues that ultimately got me banned.

pdf N/A
My involvement in that thread mostly revolved around a few topics—specifically focusing on female faces, bodies, and legs (basically, aesthetics). For a while, I kept things civil until the constant bickering started with Barbie. I can't even remember how it kicked off; it doesn't really matter now. It was mostly standard daily banter until I insulted her once. I apologized immediately, but she didn't accept it. Or at least, that’s how it felt, since she claimed I was only being polite rather than sincere, which wasn't true.
Aside from her, there were a few other women on the board who clearly didn't like me and made sure to say so (Naivetes, Miseducata, Hannah, and I think there were others, too). They didn't like me because I acted a bit too "feminine" in my commentary—I’d analyze women's photos in detail, looking at nose shapes, eye symmetry, or even whether a boat could pass between their legs. 😁 I did do that, but it shouldn't have been an issue. Besides, having those kinds of discussions isn't some exclusive club for women; it feels like men are told they should only comment on "boobs and butts," but when we actually engage with the details, everyone loses it. You can't win 😁 no matter how you play it. If someone annoys you, there's an "ignore" button. Nobody is forcing you to read someone else's posts if you don't want to. I have no idea why they didn't just use it. Most of my interactions with them were just minor skirmishes; nothing direct, except for the heavy back-and-forth with Barbie.

@Barbie, if you’re reading this, I’m sorry for insulting your looks back then. Also, I’ll admit I intentionally called the slim, fit women you posted "skinny and nothing special" specifically because I knew that was your "type" and that you had a similar build. I wanted to provoke you. Personally, I love seeing slim women; I find that physique graceful and attractive. Most of the photos you shared were actually great, but I was being provocative on purpose. What bothered me about you, and those threads in general, was the impression that only one specific body type was considered desirable or beautiful. I wasn't the only one who felt this way; other users mentioned that the same types of models were posted far too often. At the end of the day, the behavior in that thread was childish, filled with endless petty arguments, and we all contributed to that environment.
Secondly, it wouldn't be right for me to bring up the complaint that another user, Countrywoman, filed against you. That has nothing to do with my situation, and I ask that it be disregarded when reviewing my ban.

pdf Fashion
There are a few threads there where users post photos of themselves and others critique their style. After I posted a few shots, some women said they looked fine, while others suggested changes. I got stubborn, defending my style and arguing with those who criticized me. It escalated into a massive debate involving several people 😬 and I took it all way too personally. I convinced myself the moderators were playing favorites with those women, which eventually led me to create a clone account just to troll myself.🤣 How could I lean into the idea that those ladies on the Forum "hate" me, while simultaneously using my alt account to soften the blow so it doesn't look totally bleak 😂... basically, I acted like a child because I thought the moderator should have stepped in and told them to back off; I felt ganged up on by several people in that thread. The truth is, I was being stubborn and refused to take any criticism, they kept pushing once they saw I wouldn't budge, and looking back, the whole thing was just a comedy 😬

pdf N/A
I showed up already frustrated, and there was no turning back. Once I started communicating at such a low level, I couldn't stop myself. My apologies to anyone I insulted during that time, which ultimately led to my ban

So, that’s the gist of it. I won't be posting here anymore, but if anyone from the Forum reaches out to support my ban appeal, thanks in advance. If they argue against it, thanks for that too. I just hope this appeal gets resolved and the ban is lifted; I know I messed up, and I can't change what happened. It is what it is 🙂
Anthony Jackson2 Anthony Jackson2 Regular
605 messages
joined Jul 2009
#15 ·
Look, if nobody else wants to step up, I’ll give you my take—and I’ve got two perspectives on this.

First, from the viewpoint of a user who actually witnessed your antics over at the local community centers, let me be blunt—there is absolutely no scenario where I’m voting to lift your ban. You can try to blame your frustrations—which were totally uncalled for—or maybe some excessive drinking, or whatever else, but a ban isn't something you just get to walk away from.

On the other hand, looking at it from my position as a moderator for the Soccer forum—which you’ve brought up several times now—your actual contribution to that section hasn't been significant enough to justify overturning a ban. Most people would call your posts about legendary soccer players nothing more than pure fanboyism, even if you did manage to squeeze out a couple of decent points here and there. Everywhere else on the forum, you never really stood out—though, to be fair, you weren't exactly a constant headache either.

When you crunch all the numbers and weigh the pros against the cons, you’re deep in the red as far as I'm concerned. I won't be supporting the removal of your ban.
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#16 ·
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placidviper placidviper Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2006
#17 ·
I disagree. The picture book is already dense enough to read alongside the Simpson family; there's no need to add more tacky nonsense to clutter things up. 🙂
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#18 ·
@Anthony Jackson2, you’re entitled to your opinion. Honestly, I didn't expect anything different from you. 😁 You seem pretty stubborn when it comes to your stances on other complaints too, but you're young—you mentioned that yourself. Besides, I don't see why you'd even bother judging or mentioning my involvement in those PDFs when you aren't a moderator. 🤷 With all due respect, I think that's someone else's job.

Regarding Soccer, I wasn't just debating the greatest players of all time; I was also discussing the Spanish league. You know that perfectly well, being a Real Madrid fan yourself. Those threads had some really solid, constructive discussions about tactics, technique, and everything else regarding Spanish soccer. Most of the tension was just healthy rivalry between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona fans. I'd prefer if you weren't the one grading my posts on those topics; you aren't objective, especially since I get the feeling you don't particularly like me because of other debates on this site. That said, I wouldn't exactly call your soccer knowledge top-tier based on what you've written either, but that's a conversation for another time.

I'd actually like to hear what people like Engineer, Ono, torrentz, and Correspondence think, or even the "Real Madrid fans" like Pilatus, Keith Miller30, and Zinedine Zidane... specifically, I'd love to hear what Engineer thinks about my contribution to the Soccer section, since he and I had the most high-quality, intense debates. The guy is an authority there, and I'd value his take . A quick shout-out to Engineer if he's reading this. If we don't cross paths here again, I'd love for him to tell me which forum he hangs out on so we can talk soccer there. Actually, I'll just shoot him a DM, since I doubt he visits this site much.

That comment about how "high-quality posts could be squeezed out of you" actually made me laugh, if you'll excuse me. You're being pretty patronizing 🤣 as if you have the soccer expertise of the late Ivić. Again, a user's actual posts speak louder than any moderator's assessment, which in your case is pretty subjective. The people I just listed, along with everyone else in those threads, know exactly how constructive and serious I was regarding the Spanish league and the GOAT debates. I can pull up a mountain of my own posts to prove you wrong if I need to. Sure, things got heated occasionally, but what's a debate without a little back-and-forth? As for your claim that I "wasn't particularly problematic," I won't even dignify that with a comment; as far as I know, I have exactly one warning for trolling in the entire Soccer section.

@Nice, this appeal is clearly going nowhere. On this forum, as some others who have complained have realized, you simply aren't allowed to make mistakes. No matter how hard I try to show I've changed, it doesn't matter to the moderators. And I'd rather not comment on the objectivity of mods like Anthony Jackson2.
I know the ban isn't getting lifted, and you can lock this thread as far as I'm concerned. But I can't say I'm not disappointed that everyone can now read that once you get a permanent ban, any effort to fix things is useless. There is no coming back.
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#19 ·
placidviper said:I disagree. The picture book is already dense enough to read alongside the Simpson family; there's no need to add more tacky nonsense to clutter things up. 🙂

Sorry, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen you post anything on the Forum instead of just the photo gallery. I don't remember seeing you in any of the threads I've been hanging out in over there.

If Simpsolina and I are really the biggest problem on this board because of our questionable taste, then you all might want to take a long, hard look in the mirror. 🤣 Since when did being tasteless become a bannable offense? 😬
Betty Taylor37 Betty Taylor37 MemberOP
16 messages
joined Nov 2014
#20 ·
Betty Taylor37 said:@Anthony Jackson2, you’re entitled to your opinion. Honestly, I didn't expect anything different from you. 😁 You seem pretty stubborn when it comes to your stances on other complaints too, but you're young—you mentioned that yourself. Besides, I don't see why you'd even bother judging or mentioning my involvement in those PDFs when you aren't a moderator. 🤷 With all due respect, I think that's someone else's job.

Regarding Soccer, I wasn't just debating the greatest players of all time; I was also discussing the Spanish league. You know that perfectly well, being a Real Madrid fan yourself. Those threads had some really solid, constructive discussions about tactics, technique, and everything else regarding Spanish soccer. Most of the tension was just healthy rivalry between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona fans. I'd prefer if you weren't the one grading my posts on those topics; you aren't objective, especially since I get the feeling you don't particularly like me because of other debates on this site. That said, I wouldn't exactly call your soccer knowledge top-tier based on what you've written either, but that's a conversation for another time.

I'd actually like to hear what people like Engineer, Ono, torrentz, and Correspondence think, or even the "Real Madrid fans" like Pilatus, Keith Miller30, and Zinedine Zidane... specifically, I'd love to hear what Engineer thinks about my contribution to the Soccer section, since he and I had the most high-quality, intense debates. The guy is an authority there, and I'd value his take . A quick shout-out to Engineer if he's reading this. If we don't cross paths here again, I'd love for him to tell me which forum he hangs out on so we can talk soccer there. Actually, I'll just shoot him a DM, since I doubt he visits this site much.

That comment about how "high-quality posts could be squeezed out of you" actually made me laugh, if you'll excuse me. You're being pretty patronizing 🤣 as if you have the soccer expertise of the late Ivić. Again, a user's actual posts speak louder than any moderator's assessment, which in your case is pretty subjective. The people I just listed, along with everyone else in those threads, know exactly how constructive and serious I was regarding the Spanish league and the GOAT debates. I can pull up a mountain of my own posts to prove you wrong if I need to. Sure, things got heated occasionally, but what's a debate without a little back-and-forth? As for your claim that I "wasn't particularly problematic," I won't even dignify that with a comment; as far as I know, I have exactly one warning for trolling in the entire Soccer section.

@Nice, this appeal is clearly going nowhere. On this forum, as some others who have complained have realized, you simply aren't allowed to make mistakes. No matter how hard I try to show I've changed, it doesn't matter to the moderators. And I'd rather not comment on the objectivity of mods like Anthony Jackson2.
I know the ban isn't getting lifted, and you can lock this thread as far as I'm concerned. But I can't say I'm not disappointed that everyone can now read that once you get a permanent ban, any effort to fix things is useless. There is no coming back.

Honestly, I find a fair amount of mental satisfaction in the fact that everyone reading this appeal will see that the Forum "management" just doesn't value a conscientious and honest approach from permabanned users—even though I tried my absolute hardest to be exactly that, hoping for some fairness and understanding from their side. I can't say anything more than this. It's a shame.

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