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Question for the US mods?

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Participants Hannah White2Brandon Castillo4mistywolf17Nicholas Kingreddriver35hollowtrucker77feralpilot0Jason Clark7
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
What was the actual reasoning behind locking this thread?

Was it because someone bumped an old topic, or is there some other rule I missed? 😕

Thanks for getting back to me.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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#2 ·
Yeah, just because someone decided to dig up an old thread that doesn't even have anything worth talking about anymore.
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2011
#3 ·
Maybe we could carve out some space here specifically for questions about how moderation works in the States—you know, not just whining about getting banned or all that other crap. 😉

What's your take? 🙂
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#4 ·
Of course. I’m just eagerly awaiting the moment I have to justify every single thread I move, merge, or close to William Mitchell50.

😕
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#5 ·
mistywolf17 said:I am just dying to apologize to William Mitchell50
for every single thread I decide to move, merge, or shut down.

And this sort of condescending attitude—where does it even come from? 😕
reddriver35 reddriver35 Active Member
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joined Aug 2010
#6 ·
She isn't going to spend her whole life justifying herself to you. 🙄 For heaven's sake, you guys are exhausting. 😁
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#7 ·
exactly
I’m not about to spend my life justifying every single little thing I do or answering every random question thrown my way
for instance, there’s absolutely no point in explaining things when the answer is staring you right in the face—kind of like that first post here
it isn't some kind of "holier-than-thou" attitude either, it’s just about asking questions that actually matter and can actually be answered
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#8 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:exactly
I am not going to justify myself to everyone regarding every single question, or every little move I make
for instance, I won't be making excuses for questions where the answer is perfectly logical and obvious—much like in the first post here
this isn't some "holier-than-thou" attitude, it's simply a matter of focusing on what is essential and possible

Let's get our stories straight.

Without even getting into whatever potential baggage they might have from before, the person in question asked quite calmly whether this thread could remain dedicated to inquiries regarding the moderation of the US. That is to say, not to justify every single moderator action, but rather to provide answers to questions found on—believe it or not—the document titled the Employee Handbook.

Regardless, the phrasing "well, I suppose I won't have to justify myself to William Mitchell50 just once" is undeniably insulting and condescending, completely irrespective of the context in which it was uttered. That specific wording unmistakably implies that the author considers "one single William Mitchell50" to be beneath them. There really is no room for debate there—unless someone dares to head over to those "nothing-to-see-here" types on Reddit to hear the exact same thing I'm saying, only much more crudely. 😁

However, I fail to understand one thing: you wouldn't feel insulted if I were to write, "Well, I suppose hollowtrucker77 won't be explaining things to me..."? I mean, that would definitely be an insult. 😕
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#9 ·
reddriver35 said:Look, she isn’t going to sit there and feel obligated to justify herself to everyone—not her, not you, not anyone. 🙄 For heaven's sake, they are absolutely exhausting. 😁

He was asking for some kind of "total justice for everyone"—but honestly, who exactly was he talking about, and where was this supposed to take place? 😕
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#10 ·
The two of them are the only ones who actually know what’s going on with their own issues, so if they feel like clearing things up, they will
I’ve basically narrowed my focus down to those endless, repetitive questions where the answer is already staring you in the face
Look, you’ve got maybe two, three, or four moderators and a few hundred forum members, most of whom think they’re an expert on absolutely everything
When it comes to a specific problem, whether someone is asking a question, offering praise, or whatever else, I honestly don't mind people asking or making requests...
But we simply cannot be out here breathing down the moderators' necks over every single move they make, expecting them to justify themselves or explain every little thing
feralpilot0 feralpilot0 Active Member
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#11 ·
In the Religion section, we have a 'complaints log'—perfect for those trivial little inquiries that don't quite meet the criteria for the main board. It works just fine, really. 🤷
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#12 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I’ve basically found myself spiraling into these endless, repetitive questions—the kind that just circle around endlessly—when, if I'm being honest, the answer is already staring us right in the face. It feels like such a waste of mental energy to debate things when the conclusion is already pretty much obvious, isn't it?

I’ve somehow—and I say this with a fair amount of self-reflection—devolved into using this incredibly, and frankly quite unnecessarily, condescendingly arrogant moderator tone... that "I simply will not" sort of attitude. Once upon a time, there was William Mitchell50.It’s the same old story—those endless, repetitive questions—and frankly, they could have been posed without all that unnecessary baggage regarding their personal opinions on "some guy named William Mitchell50."
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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#13 ·
feralpilot0 said:On the main forum, there's an 'appeals book' for minor inquiries that don't quite meet the standards for the official board. It works perfectly fine enough. 🤷

We have a thread like that here too, though for some reason, nobody ever seems to use it. 🤷

Nicholas King, what exactly am I supposed to do if I get a strike? What then? 😍
feralpilot0 feralpilot0 Active Member
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#14 ·
mistywolf17 said:We have a thread like this here too—though for some reason, it just sits there gathering dust. 🤷

I don't see it among the top posts—maybe if you pinned it as a hot topic so people actually notice, they'd start asking?
Just ban the spam and we'll be golden. 😛
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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#15 ·
It was a major topic for maybe three or four years, but even then, it wasn't really being used much. During my first year of moderating, I think maybe only five people actually asked anything about it.
It’s sitting there in the thread list right now, and honestly, you don't have to go out of your way to find it. However, we might consider moving the thread back up to the top. Personally, I’d love to see some suggestions from the community regarding how we handle the subforums.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#16 ·
mistywolf17 said:Nicholas King, what exactly would you do if I actually got banned? Huh? 😍

Well, nothing at all.

"Wanted" is—quite frankly—the wrong word here. And I certainly don't care about anyone getting slapped with a ban. Perhaps one could say I had hoped (if we really want to be generous about it) that you might write something along the lines of, "I didn't mean it that way, sorry if it came off like that, damn, just having a bad day, planetary alignments, whatever..." But, when instead of actually addressing the issue, you just "resolve" things with some cheap smiley face, I honestly wouldn't give a damn.
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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#17 ·
Aha, I suppose you were expecting me to go on a long rant apologizing for that post. To be honest, I really don't have the energy for it; it feels quite exhausting, even though I do have a specific reason for why I wrote it that way.
Jason Clark7 Jason Clark7 Member
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#18 ·
feralpilot0 said:If we look at the main Religion forum, they actually maintain a 'complaints log' for minor inquiries that don't quite meet the threshold for the official board... It works perfectly fine 🤷

It strikes me as odd that most of the more active sub-forums lack a complaints log as a pinned or top-level thread... ☕
implementing one here might lend this specific forum a much-needed sense of professionalism...
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2011
#19 ·
mistywolf17 said:Oh, absolutely. I’m just dying to sit here and apologize to William Mitchell50 for every single thread I move, merge, or shut down.

😕

Look, if you actually stepped outside your little bubble of arrogance and bias for once, you might actually see where my question was going.

I really hope that now that this thread has been brought up in your official FAQ section, you finally get what one specific William Mitchell50 was trying to do.
Wait, is there actually two of them on this board? 🤔

Using a thread like this to actually talk to users within the FAQ section could actually help things run more smoothly.

I know you're pretty young, but maybe try working on being a bit more polite when you talk to people. 😍
It might actually serve you well in the real world.

Maybe just lock this thread so that mistywolf17—or some other "superior" moderator—doesn't accidentally have to deal with questions from regular users. 🙄
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
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#20 ·
William Mitchell50 said:If you could just step outside of that bubble of arrogance and prejudice for a moment, I think you might actually see the point of my question.

I hope that now that I’ve brought this up in your PDF, you finally understand my intentions. One. William Mitchell50.
I was wondering if there are two William Mitchell50s on this forum? 🤔

Engaging with users directly within the PDF through a dedicated thread like this might actually help foster more constructive dialogue, I guess.

I realize you might be on the younger side, but I think it would be beneficial if you tried to work on communicating a bit more politely. 😍
I suppose you could actually apply that to real life.

Let's lock this thread. I wouldn't want mistywolf17 or one of those high-and-mighty moderators to be forced into answering forum questions by mistake. 🙄

Ah, my apologies. I didn't realize right away that this was actually part of your diabolical scheme to tear apart the USA and its moderators using nothing but constructive criticism. 🙂

Regardless of my age, I don't see any reason to be polite to rude people who are twice my age.

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