Vince Carter vs. LeBron James

analogowl122 said:-Imagine if we had a four-time Formula 1 champion

Are you kidding me right now? 😠😠😠😠

Seven times!!!!11!!

Anthony Jackson2 said:Kudos to Blanka and Joško, really—but personally, I’m firmly on the gips side of this one.

First off, even Blanka herself—and especially her father—are just incredibly, incredibly unlikable people in my book; I get this nagging feeling they are both far too full of themselves and act rather condescending, which isn't exactly a trait I care for in anyone... 🤷

Secondly, in my view, the real distinction between them is that gips handles everything for his athletes—from physical conditioning to technical prep. On the flip side, without Marinović, Vlašić wouldn't be worth a damn... all those nutrition plans, training regimens, and fitness routines don't mean much when you consider that if Blanka didn't have Marinović, she might just be an average high jumper—a massive talent without any actual results. I am somewhat convinced that Joško simply lacks the deep technical knowledge required to teach the nuances of the high jump, and frankly, that is gips' biggest advantage. If anyone deserves credit for Blanka's success, it truly is Marinović.

Best post on this entire board.
I especially appreciate how you aren't afraid to say exactly how much Blanka rubs you the wrong way.
Well, at least someone else feels the same way...

Honestly, the mere fact that it's the US Olympic Committee despite the Olympics having happened just last year speaks volumes... that's all there is to it. This guy won two medals at the Olympics. End of story.

darkwolf61 said:this is easily the best post on this thread.
I especially appreciate how you don't hold back when saying how much Blanka rubs you the wrong way.
it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who feels that way....

I mean, just the fact that we're talking about the US Olympic Committee right after the Olympics ended speaks volumes... it's pretty obvious. This athlete won two medals at the Games. End of story.

the "best post" ever, whose entire logical foundation is basically just that he doesn't like Joško or Blanka, so they shouldn't get an award... 🤦

just so you know, the USOC is the governing body for all sports and federations here—they aren't just focused on the Olympic cycles...

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Blanka is arguably the third greatest athlete in the world when you mix men's and women's sports... so where does Ivica land on that list? ☕

That’s fair. My only hang-up with all this is the fact that an old, decrepit chimpanzee with a little monkey hanging off its waist could clear that 208 cm bar without breaking a sweat, yet not a single primate on this planet can even manage to button a pair of shorts.

In my book, skiing sits at a much higher evolutionary and civilized level than high jump, which makes being a ski coach a far more demanding gig.
Based on that logic, gips ranks above Vlašić, though I honestly have serious doubts about gipsov coaching skills—especially when you look at the laundry list of injuries Ivica and Janica sustained. Janica's career was cut short too soon, even if there's no denying she won everything in her path.

I get the feeling gips pushed Blanka toward tearing her Achilles tendon and dealing with a herniated disc; he's a total fanatic who sometimes fails to realize that poorly programmed training leads directly to major injury.

The real heavyweight coach is the guy training Vanja Mamić. With the right investments and smart selection, he’ll pull in more money than gips, Lino, and Joško combined.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:The best part of this argument—if you can call it that—is the claim that they just don't like Joško and Blanka, so they shouldn't get an award... 🤦

Only the trolls are buying that logic☕

Anyone actually paying attention—the real users here—can see there's more to the post than that.☕

Jessica Sullivan91 said:1. Both of them act like they’ve swallowed the entire library of human wisdom when, in reality, they're just full of themselves.

2. It is patently obvious that Vlašić suffers from a massive inferiority complex, considering this isn't even the first time he's gone out of his way to lash out at others.

3. While Blanka might have had more success than Ivica, she doesn't hold a candle to Janica.

4. Alpine skiing is fundamentally more grueling than the high jump, and frankly, the level of competition is much steeper.

1. Agreed.
2. Honestly, the second one isn't any better either.
3. It's subjective; if you ask me, they're all pretty much the same...
4. And there you have it. ...................😳

Anthony Jackson2 said:only the trolls actually catch the main point here☕

but anyone being serious and constructive around here can see there's a whole other side to the post☕

from what I gather, people always focus on the head coaches rather than their staff... but any award given usually goes to the entire organization, not just one guy... you know someone like Jerry Jones, but do you really know all the specific coaches at Arsenal besides Wenger, or over at Bayern aside from Van Gaal, and so on?

vividstag24 said:1. yeah
2. the second one isn't any better either
3. depends on who you ask, to me they're both just...
4. yeah, whatever...😳

Try hitting the slopes first, then try a high jump, and come back and tell us which one actually sucks more.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:As far as I can tell, it's always the head coaches who get all the credit, rather than their assistants... any award really belongs to the entire staff, not just one person... you know Marinović, sure, but are you actually familiar with the coaching staff at Arsenal besides Wenger, or at Bayern aside from Van Gaal, etc.?

Go ahead then—define what a head coach actually does in high jump.

dustypanther6 said:Why don't you go try hitting the slopes or attempt some high jumps yourself, then come back and tell us which one is actually harder?

Look, everyone gets to choose their own lane and the discipline they want to pursue; there is absolutely no reason to diminish someone else's achievements just because they aren't playing the game you'd play... ☕
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter whether one feat is objectively "easier" than another—what matters are the results and the actual success achieved.😉

ambercobra28 said:Go ahead—tell me what a head coach actually does in high jump.

I mean, once you start defining the roles of a head coach in football or skiing for me...

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:As far as I can tell, it's always the head coaches getting the spotlight, not their assistants... any award really belongs to the whole staff, not just one guy... you know Marinović, sure, but are you actually familiar with the coaching staffs at Arsenal besides Wenger, or at Bayern aside from Van Gaal, etc.?

Your examples aren't exactly hitting the mark—these are teams training 20 to 30 athletes, whereas here we're talking about a single person. Plus, Wenger is the one calling the shots on tactics and giving advice before and during the game. Have you ever seen Blanka consulting with Joška during a competition? No. That’s why Marinović should be the lead—he’s the one handling the high jump, while brko deals with conditioning and the "marginal" stuff. If they were actually going to give an award to Blanka's coach, Bojan is the one who should take it, in my opinion.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:As far as I can tell, it’s always the head coaches who get all the glory, not their assistants... if there’s an award up for grabs, it goes to the whole staff, not just one guy. You know Marinović, sure, but do you actually know the assistant coaches at Arsenal besides Wenger? Or over at Bayern aside from Van Gaal, for instance?

If we're giving all the credit to the head coach, then Marinović is the main Blankin coach, not his dad.

Maybe we should have gips and brko go head-to-head in their own specialties—gips in the giant slalom and Vlasic in high jump—just so we can finally settle the debate? 😁

If only gips's discipline wasn't skiing, but handball instead 😛

Anthony Jackson2 said:I mean, those examples aren't really hitting the mark... these are teams managing like 20 or 30 different athletes at once, whereas here we’re just talking about one person. Plus, you have someone like Wenger who actually calls the plays and gives advice both before and during the game. Did you see Blanka checking in with Joško while she was competing? Nope. Not a chance. That’s exactly why I think Marinović should be the lead—he’s the one actually handling the high jump itself, while the guy with the beard focuses more on conditioning and the "extra" stuff... so, if they were actually going to give an award to Blanka's coach, my vote would be for Bojan to take it home.

Haha, let's see who's actually on Blanka's team anyway:

frozentiger6 said:If only gipsov's specialty wasn't skiing, but handball instead. 😛

And before handball, it would've been swimming and water polo. 😉

dustyhawk4 said:That's true. My only hang-up is the fact that an old, worn-out chimpanzee with a little monkey hanging off its waist could clear 208 cm without breaking a sweat, yet not a single primate on this planet knows how to button up a pair of jeans.

In my opinion, skiing is at a much higher and more demanding evolutionary and civilizational level than high jump, which makes being a ski coach way harder.
By that logic, gips is above Vlašić, though I honestly think gips's coaching knowledge in skiing is pretty questionable, especially when you look at all the injuries Ivica and Janica sustained. Janica's career was unfortunately too short, though there's no denying she won everything while she was active.

I get the feeling that gips pushed Blanka so hard that she ended up dealing with an Achilles rupture and a herniated disc. He's a total fanatic who sometimes fails to realize that poorly programmed training leads directly to serious injury.

Then again, who knows... if gips were training Blanka, maybe she would have cleared 2.10m a long time ago.

Sandra Wilson38 said:And before they even touched handball, it was swimming and water polo. 😉

But before all that, they were busy building Terminators.

Working alongside Marica... my favorite part had to be that one guy who couldn't figure out how to pair up Ivica and Marica.

It might be best if they just swapped roles and we could finally see how things actually play out.