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dustyhawk4 dustyhawk4 Newcomer
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#121 ·
Vlašić just doesn't get it—or maybe he just refuses to admit—that the Democratic Party is a political machine that lives and breathes on budget allocations and corporate sponsors. The party has to keep everyone happy by handing out little pieces of cheese to every mouse in the room (whether it’s the rowers, the water polo players, Ivica, or Blanka). This kind of election is just one way they do that.

There was really no need to blast those open letters to the public. Most of the time, people just twist the meaning, speculate about motives, or try to play amateur psychologist with the author.

But that's just how Joško is; he can't help himself. And it doesn't take much for gips to react impulsively. The media is already salivating at the chance to cover the drama. Once the dust settles, both gips and Joško will end up being the big losers here, because while the two of them are busy bickering, someone else is quietly reaping the rewards.

Mateša is playing it smart. He’s using a classic divide and conquer strategy. A true politician!
Betty Patel172 Betty Patel172 Member
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#122 ·
Both are undoubtedly exceptional coaches, but speculating on their personal characters is foolish for those of us who don't know them. One can only observe that they have both produced elite athletes; now, each follows his own path, driven by ego just like the rest of us. As for the media, they'll say whatever gets clicks,
Gerald Martin26 Gerald Martin26 Newcomer
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#123 ·
Awards for best athletes, coaches, or teams aren't objective—they never can be. Journalists basically invented them just to have something to write about during the off-season... I’m honestly surprised both top-tier coaches fell for that "best of" hype. What Ante Kostelić achieved is nothing short of a miracle. In a country where the total length of ski runs is barely longer than a single decent trail at a Colorado resort, he managed to produce two world-class champions entirely on his own, despite all the skeptics out there. On top of that, they’ve remained humble, hardworking, and down-to-earth people, which is a massive win in itself. Setting aside his political views, that family serves as a perfect blueprint for success in America. Skiing is a brutal sport, just as dangerous as boxing or motor racing. There isn't a single elite skier who hasn't dealt with at least one knee surgery, and in downhill, they're basically flying without protection 87 miles on the clock, only to finish 10th—trailing by 78 hundredths—and walk away with maybe a thousand bucks. Beating someone when you're starting with bib number 64 in a slalom is like driving a Ford Fiesta against a Ferrari in an F1 race. Even making it into the second run from bib 70 is harder than winning a World Championship in high jump. A skier has to spend over 150 days on the snow every year; if you factor in seven days of travel at $250 a day for three people plus food, you're looking at $1,000 a week. Multiply that by 25 weeks plus gear, and you're at $30,000 a year minimum. Do that for eight years without any guarantee of success, and it's incredible. Kudos to Joško... if it wasn't for him, Blanka wouldn't be where she is. And when things stalled slightly, he brought in a phenomenal expert like Bojan Marinović, and suddenly Blanka was dominating again. High jump facilities are available in every school in the US, so that's incomparable. I really feel for Joško; his kid made it, and his dream came true. It's true that skiing doesn't have a huge base here, but the competition in Europe is fierce. Yesterday, 30 skiers were within two seconds of each other on a 600-meter course, and because of the actual path taken, they covered about 1,000 meters. Imagine eight racers finishing within two seconds of each other on a 1,000-meter run. Tomorrow, the skiers compete in Adelboden for the giant slalom. That's about 559 miles from the city, and after the race, they'll hop in vans and drive all night to Switzerland. Bottom line, writing that letter to Vlašić didn't do anyone any favors. Calling out the Democratic Party while downplaying the achievements of Ivica and gips is just arrogant. When you consider how many devastating injuries Ivica had to fight through to come back, it feels downright insulting. I totally get why gips would say Joško doesn't understand the reality of skiing...
Timothy Rogers9 Timothy Rogers9 Newcomer
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#124 ·
Look, there’s no arguing that both coaches are killing it. The results speak for themselves, so honestly, hats off to them and I wish them nothing but luck.

The real headache, though, is this constant, grating ego trip both of them go on. It’s like a first-class media circus where everyone sits around sipping coffee and smoking cigarettes while the news outlets terrorize us with these ridiculous, overblown interpretations of how much—or how little—any of this actually matters.

I don't even want to get into a debate about how, in a country drowning in economic and social misery, the public still gets sucked into these "who's better" arguments. We're obsessing over stuff that has absolutely zero impact on moving this pathetic nation forward. Instead of actually discussing how to fix our economy, the American public would rather argue about which athlete is the bigger big shot on the field. As if Blanka, Ivica, or any of these tennis players, handballers, or football stars are going to save us from this collective moral and economic dumpster fire. Seriously, I'll give them all the credit they deserve for their wins, but frankly, I couldn't care less about their trophies or their glory as long as my own existence is being crushed by the hordes of criminals and morons running this country.

And when people start preaching about their supposed "patriotic spirit," I just think about the awards they win, the taxes they dodge on those prizes, the massive transfers, and the way they list their permanent addresses in places like Monte Carlo. That's how our great "patriots" really bleed for the good of America.

It’s all just tragicomic, really...
Gerald Rivera17 Gerald Rivera17 Member
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#125 ·
Betty Jones23 said:I’m really not interested in playing judge regarding who the better coach is... but looking at how Mr. Vlašić has been acting for a few years now—if my memory serves me right—it just doesn't sit right. He seems to be perpetually angry at someone or other... and somehow, he always ends up being the one left out in the cold... 🙄

analoggull4 said:Vlašić—well, nothing was ever quite right with him to begin with, so I suppose it’s hardly surprising he’s just talking nonsense now... as usual.

Is it actually possible to just tell the truth... without everyone immediately jumping down your throat?

And why are you dragging gips into all of this... he basically branded himself that way—it wasn't like Vlašić was actually taking aim at him, he was going after the Democratic Party...
Sean Davis52 Sean Davis52 Newcomer
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#126 ·
Skiing isn't even truly a sport. There is no direct confrontation between competitors, and the participation numbers are far too minuscule to qualify. A world champion in darts carries significantly more weight than some skier.
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
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#127 ·
Sean Davis52 said:Skiing isn't even really a sport—there's no direct head-to-head combat between athletes, and honestly, so few people actually do it that it barely qualifies. You'd probably find more world champions in competitive cornhole than in skiing.

🤦
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
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#128 ·
Sean Davis52 said:I mean, you can't really call skiing a sport, since there isn't any direct competition between the athletes......

unlike high jump...😁
Jonathan Cox4 Jonathan Cox4 Member
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#129 ·
analogowl122 said:Take a look at the awards for the world's best athletes and those in America over the last decade.
Or just the ones listed here.
Let's put it this way— The Laureus World Sports Awards are essentially the Oscars of the sporting world. It’s a massive deal where they hand out trophies to the absolute best athletes on the planet across various categories. I guess you could look at it as the ultimate validation for an athlete's career. Every year, the heavy hitters gather to celebrate excellence, and honestly, it’s one of the few ceremonies that actually feels like it carries some weight in the industry. It’s pretty much the gold standard for recognizing greatness in global sports.
And I suppose that should all be perfectly clear.
And they’re really the only ones who can even be put in the same context.

I think I see exactly what's going on here. 😍
2006. 😍

analogowl122 said:If you think Blanka isn't putting in the work, you're dead wrong. I guess you're seriously mistaken.
I remember that show, Currency Exchange.
I guess Blanka has somehow managed to flip the script on a shepherd.
That guy was in incredible shape—basically a beast who spends all his time training out in the Rockies.
Even that Black athlete couldn't handle three minutes of Blanka's training. He was absolutely spent.
Unless we're talking about world-class athletes, I guess none of us here could even last three minutes.

Nobody is disputing that Blanka puts in the work. My take is that her training sessions just aren't as grueling as Ivica's.
That currency exchange thing you mentioned is just plain stupid. Even if I decided to get back into the gym right now, it would probably take me six months just to catch up to where my teammates are at.

Gerald Rivera17 said:Is it even possible to tell the truth without getting chewed out for it?

And why on earth are you dragging gips into this? He actually called himself that. It wasn't Vlašić taking aim at him; he was going after HOO.

Wouldn't you feel targeted if someone started judging HOO, unless you actually were the best? 🤷

Quote:I hope you aren't being deadly serious here.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with that. If you're trying to make a point, you might want to be more specific. Maybe? [User Name] says:
I guess you could argue that skiing doesn't even qualify as a real sport. There’s no direct head-to-head combat between competitors, and the number of people actually participating is laughably small for it to carry that title. Honestly, a world champion in darts probably carries more weight than a world champion in skiing.
Seriously, I really hope you aren't being dead serious. ☕
analogcobra6 analogcobra6 Newcomer
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#130 ·
Sean Davis52 said:I mean, you can't even really call skiing a sport. There isn't any direct competition between participants, and hardly anyone actually does it, so it doesn't qualify. A world champion in cornhole probably holds more status than a world champion in skiing.

Congrats... definitely the fail of the year.
analogowl122 analogowl122 Newcomer
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#131 ·
I might have rambled a bit too much there 😁
So, I’ll just lay out two things clearly to make sure nothing gets lost in translation...
1. The whole coach selection thing
People might feel one way about it, but my money isn't on Vlašić. And it's not on Kostelić either.
I'll leave that up to the people actually in charge of making those calls.
The reason I'm even posting this is to point out how unfair the selection process has been toward Blanka and her coaches. The HOO completely ignored everything she achieved back in 2010.
That's just an undeniable fact.
Meanwhile, they took everything into account for Ivica.
I totally get why Vlašić stood up against that kind of injustice.
What was he supposed to do? Just hang his head and stay quiet? I'm sick to death of that typical American tendency to just shut up and take it.
Whatever happened afterward wasn't necessary for Kostelić or Vlašić.
But if they had just looked at all of Blanka's successes and picked Kostelić as the top coach/athlete, I wouldn't be saying a word.

2. The disrespect toward track and field
This is what really gets under my skin. It's honestly why I keep writing... 😁
You see it everywhere in our media. Even a reporter over at The Evening went out of their way to trash track and field.
And don't even get me started on this forum. The criticism started immediately.
Look, everyone has their favorite sport, and we all value different things differently.
But you don't have the right to talk down to someone else's discipline.
Especially not track and field. Along with tennis, it sits right at the absolute peak of individual global sports. That's not just my opinion; it's a reality.
It's a fact proven every single year by global sports awards. You almost always see tennis players or track athletes at the top of the list.
Track is respected everywhere. Except, apparently, here.
Just yesterday, Blanka was named the best athlete in Europe.
And like I said, none of our major news outlets covered it, except for Index. When I searched for the announcement, I found tons of articles from Canada or Mexico because of the language, but nothing on our local sites.
Or look at China, for example.
We're talking about a country that is hundreds of times larger than our tiny little America.
A nation that crushes it at every major competition and is consistently one of the strongest sporting powers on the planet.
And who is the biggest, most popular athlete in China (besides Ming)?
Some guy named Liu Xiang.
A track athlete, believe it or not.
A hurdler.
In some pretty mediocre competition.
And get this—he competes in only one single event.
His results from last year weren't even half as good as Blanka's.
Yet, in a massive sporting superpower like China, people adore and worship a track athlete.
They name him their greatest athlete.
But here in the US, we have the nerve to try and downplay Blanka's achievements.
Joshua Gomez54 said:Look, Blanka doesn't have any real competition because she's just that good. I mean, let analogowl122 name 7 or 8 high jumpers who are consistently clearing two meters.☕I don't think they exist, and that has nothing to do with Blanka dominating.
On the other hand, Ivica faces huge competition, and Janica had it too with Anja. It's like Blanka having a rival who is constantly jumping at the exact same heights as her.

Now, I'm going to exaggerate a little just to make a point and say something a bit dramatic...
I know most of you are just gonna laugh at me.
And just so we're clear—I’m not replying to anyone. 😁
Blanka is facing about 1000 times more competition than Ivica.
The fact that she dominates doesn't mean her rivals are weak. It just means she's incredible.
If she grabs gold by clearing 202, it doesn't mean she beat seven or eight mediocre jumpers.
It means that, in that moment, she's the best out of all 3.5 billion women on Earth.
Obviously, I'm exaggerating since not everyone actually does track and field.
But that brings us back to the whole competition thing.
And that "1000 times" figure.
Almost every single person on this planet has tried track and field, even if just a little bit.
Everyone goes through some basic screening where you can tell just how much natural talent you have in certain disciplines.
And when someone shows real potential, they usually stick with it. They start training seriously and pick the discipline they excel in. So it's not just about high jump; it's about the entire world of athletics.
When I say "almost everyone," just look at America.
Pretty much all of us grew up competing in track and field. Unless things changed drastically since my school days...
We all got to see how good we were. And exactly what our strengths were.
Almost everyone went through that selection process during elementary and high school. Even in that massive pool—second only to football—the filtering starts. Those who show talent move toward serious athletics, if they have the ambition.
Personally, I know exactly how good I am in certain events and where I stand compared to others.
So, the competition in track and field is actually the largest in the world.
It's a foundational sport that everyone tries. It's the biggest "pool" from which elite athletes are drawn.
And the rest of the world knows it. That's exactly why track and field is held in such high regard.
That's also why, out of all the top-tier athletes China produces, their best is an track athlete.
Back home, the situation is the exact opposite.
Everything gets boiled down to seven or eight jumpers who aren't really competition.
Instead of looking at the millions of people who tried track but weren't quite good enough to make that top group of seven or eight.
None of this applies to skiing. Very few people ever try competitive skiing. Even here in America.
That "pool" used to pick the best is way smaller.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle skiing. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.
Hope you guys enjoyed the laugh... ☕
Paul Anderson7 Paul Anderson7 Active Member
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#132 ·
Throw up a poll so we can see where everyone stands on this.
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
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#133 ·
Sean Davis52 said:I mean, you can't even really call skiing a sport, right? There isn't any direct head-to-head competition between participants, and the number of people actually doing it is so incredibly small that it barely qualifies. I guess a world champion in something like cornhole might actually hold more weight than a world champion in skiing.

This guy said it all, honestly. Just close the thread already. 🤣
quietfox38 quietfox38 Member
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#134 ·
This whole debate is pointless. It feels more like a rivalry between New York and Los Angeles than anything to do with track versus skiing. I get the feeling Vlašić thinks Kostelić won just because he’s from the East Coast, while she’s being overlooked because she’s from the West Coast, which is why she's pushing back.

It's obvious track and field is a global sport.
And who was named female athlete of the year in the world's biggest sports superpower? Lindsey Vonn

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201....ap/index.html

I honestly can't decide if this award gains or loses prestige knowing the runner-up for athlete of the year was a mare named Zenyatta.🤔
darkwolf61 darkwolf61 Member
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#135 ·
Well, this discussion has gone completely off the rails... 🙏 🙏
Melissa Kelly59 Melissa Kelly59 Newcomer
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#136 ·
Honestly, this whole debate just went nowhere. I mean, Marinović is Blanka's coach, but is the guy even showing up? It feels like the Kostelić and Vlašić families are just these private family projects—even their business stuff is tied up there. There’s just no real system in place, no massive grassroots movement for track and field, which is basically our foundation, or even for skiing. Meanwhile, the HOO leadership, especially with Mateš, is just sitting back with a smirk, totally enjoying the drama between those two guys from Hlebina.
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active MemberOP
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#137 ·
analogowl122 said:I’m posting this because I want to highlight how unfair things have been to Blanka and her coaching staff regarding this selection. The HOO completely ignored everything she accomplished back in 2010.
It's an undeniable fact.

Those points have already been debated here and all over the news media.

And just to throw in one more bit of gips-style thinking on the subject:
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#138 ·
Blanka is actually ranked as the third best athlete in the world when you look at the mixed categories—men and women combined... so I have to wonder, where does Ivica land on a list like that? ☕
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
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#139 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Blanka is basically the third best athlete in the world if you mix men and women... so where does Ivica rank on that list? ☕

🙄 Jesus, you guys are being so tedious.
Just like kids.
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
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#140 ·
Paul Anderson7 said:Let's run a poll so we can see where everyone stands.

A poll for what?
1. Best coach of 2010?
2. Best coach of all time?
3. Best athlete overall?

1. Bojan Marinovic
2. Gips
3. Jana Kostelic

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