Panic attack

placidtrucker75 said:Hey everyone! Hope you're all doing wonderful today.
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share their personal experiences regarding panic attacks? I’ve been doing quite a bit of reading on the subject lately, and I'd love to hear how others have navigated them.
So, here’s the thing—for about five years now, I’ve been dealing with these episodes that hit me out of nowhere. Some days they’re relatively mild, and other days, they feel incredibly heavy and overwhelming. Honestly, my initial thought was that they would just pass on their own if I ignored them enough, but unfortunately, that wasn't the case. It’s actually reached a point where I’ve become quite housebound; I find myself staying indoors most of the time because the fear of having an episode while I'm out in public is just too much to handle. The very first time it happened, I was driving on the highway, right in the middle of a tunnel, and it was absolutely terrifying.🙂 I honestly thought I was dying. I had no idea what was happening to me, and of course, after heading to the doctor, all my physical tests and labs came back perfectly normal. It turns out everything is fine on the medical side, which is a relief, but the mental toll is very real. A few days ago, I finally reached out for some help with Psychology and started a new medication regimen. For the first two days, I was taking 1/4 of a 10 mg Citram tablet and 1/2 of a Misar tablet in the morning. Now, I've moved up to 1/2 of the Citram and a full Misar tablet every morning until my follow-up appointment in two weeks. I’m wondering if anyone else here has tried this specific combination or is currently on it? More importantly, did you experience any side effects? Right now, I feel like a walking zombie. The second I see a bed, I am completely done for. I started this therapy specifically so I could get back on my feet and finally start functioning normally again, but instead, I feel even worse than before. Even when I really want to leave the house, I just don't have the strength—it's like I'm totally lifeless. How much longer does this phase usually last?

Back when my doctors were cycling me through Normabel and then eventually tossing Misar into the mix—after two completely useless antidepressants had already failed me—I honestly felt like I was on the brink of death from the benzodiazepines, especially the Normabel. It was terrifying. Instead of actually listening when it became obvious that my symptoms were getting worse because of the Normabel, they just kept trying to pull the wool over my eyes with every possible workaround. It got so bad that I almost ended up on the operating table for septum surgery. I was dealing with this intense pressure and constant ringing in my ears, which I'm convinced was a direct result of everything going on. But the "brilliant" specialist treating me couldn't see that these were just paradoxical reactions to the meds; she just wanted to push me toward a totally unnecessary surgery. It’s frustrating how often the medical side misses the forest for the trees.
Because I didn't get the right information when I needed it most, I ended up taking very low doses of Normabel for a few years. It’s been nine months since I finally stopped, but I am still struggling immensely. To make matters worse, I took a single Tylenol during that period, and it feels like it completely fried my central nervous system—right around the six-month mark just as I thought I was finally starting to feel better.

Of course, everyone’s situation is different, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't touch those toxins with a ten-foot pole. Personally, I feel like I'm fighting just to survive every single day; I'm constantly dealing with about thirty different symptoms because of what those idiots did to me.

Just a quick heads-up regarding Misar—be really careful not to stay on it for more than two months. That’s exactly what the instructions specify, and I can't stress that enough. When the time comes to stop, make sure you taper off slowly. Whatever you do, don't let your doctor or psychiatrist push you to take it any longer than the recommended timeframe. You really don't want to take those kinds of risks, trust me on this one.

I honestly don't think those types of therapies are the right way to go when it comes to panic attacks—they can be pretty dangerous if you aren't careful. I remember back in the day, I used to struggle with panic attacks quite a bit. Things finally started to settle down for me once I began drinking beer more regularly and just reached that point where I truly stopped giving a damn about anything at all. It was like a switch flipped, and I just moved on.

If you’re feeling worse, then maybe it’s time to consider stepping away from the therapy altogether.
Personally, I’ve always felt that Misar should really only be taken on an as-needed basis. It shouldn't be treated like some strict, daily regimen you have to follow religiously; rather, it's more about listening to your body and using it when the situation actually calls for it.
I’d suggest sticking with the antidepressants for just a little while longer to see if they settle in, but if things genuinely start feeling worse, then you should definitely call it quits. As for the anxiolytics, try to keep those doses as low as possible and only use them for the shortest time necessary.
In my personal opinion, psychiatry is little more than a pseudoscience that hands out incredibly dangerous psychotropic drugs. Even our own psychiatrist, Torre, views antidepressants as nothing more than glorified placebos—which doesn't change the fact that they carry horrific side effects. Over time, they can just as easily lead to dependency and cause brain damage, much like benzodiazepines do.

If I were in your shoes, honestly, I’d run the other way from that doctor as fast as my legs could carry me. I’d rather just go out there and take on life's challenges on my own terms. It took me a little while to realize it myself, but those idiots in white coats don't actually have a clue what they're doing—they're basically just poisoning people under the guise of help.

But honestly, you’re the one in the driver's seat here, so just go ahead and do whatever you feel is right.

When I was being cycled through Normabel and then later Misar—after two completely useless antidepressants failed to do anything—I nearly died from the benzodiazepines, specifically the Normabel. Instead of recognizing that my symptoms were actually getting worse because of the Normabel, they just kept trying to gaslight me with one thing after another. I almost ended up on the operating table for septal surgery because of the pressure and tinnitus; my "brilliant" doctor couldn't see those were just paradoxical reactions, so she tried to push me toward a totally unnecessary procedure.
Because I wasn't given the right information when it mattered, I ended up taking tiny doses of Normabel years later, and now, nine months after stopping, I’m still suffering terribly—especially since I took a single Tylenol which essentially fried my central nervous system, adding insult to injury six months after I thought I was finally getting better.

Of course, everyone is different, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't touch those poisons. I am fighting for my life every single day, dealing with about 30 different symptoms just because of what those idiots did to me.

Just a heads-up: when you're on Misar, don't take it for longer than two months, which is likely what the instructions say anyway. Taper off slowly when the time comes, and whatever you do, do not let your doctor or psychiatrist keep you on it longer than the official guidelines suggest—you really don't want to take that risk, trust me.

For panic attacks? These aren't therapies, considering how dangerous they are. I used to have panic attacks myself, and they finally cleared up once I started drinking beer and just stopped giving a damn about everything.

If you’re feeling worse, you should get off the meds.
Misar is supposed to be taken as needed, not as some kind of strict daily regimen.
Stick with the antidepressants for a while longer, but if things go south, stop. Use anxiolytics in the smallest amounts possible and for the shortest time imaginable.
My personal take? Psychiatry is basically pseudomedicine that hands out incredibly dangerous psychotropic drugs. Even our own psychiatrist, Torre, considers antidepressants to be nothing more than glorified placebos—which doesn't mean they don't have horrific side effects or that they won't eventually create dependency and wreck your brain just like benzodiazepines do.

If I were you, I’d run from the doctors as fast as my legs could carry me and try to tackle life on my own terms. I realized a little too late that these idiots don't actually know anything and are basically just poisoning people in their clinics.

I realize medication isn't the best choice, but right now, I feel like it's the only option left for me... I've been battling panic attacks for five years now, and I simply don't have the strength left. Every day feels harder. I'm mentioning this because I haven't even left the house in quite a while; in my head, home is the only place where I still feel like I have any control over myself. I have two young children—my oldest son is five, and my youngest just turned one the other day. I'm consumed by guilt because I feel like I'm failing them; I can't even manage to take both kids to the park or the movies. They're missing out on everything because of my incapacity. That's why I decided to start therapy—because I want to become a normal person again and be the mother my children deserve. I was always such an optimist; nothing ever felt too hard or problematic for me, and that's another part of this that's killing me—I've never been this person, and I can't reconcile with what my life has become.

placidtrucker75 said:I’m fully aware that relying on medication isn't necessarily the ideal path, but right now, I truly feel like it’s my only option. To be honest, I’ve been battling panic attacks for five years straight now, and I think I’ve finally reached my breaking point. It feels like things are just getting worse with every passing day. It’s gotten to the point where I haven't really left the house in quite a while. In my mind, staying home is the only way I can feel like I actually have some semblance of control over myself. I have two little ones—my oldest son is five, and my youngest just celebrated his first birthday the other day. The guilt is what really eats at me. I can't help but feel like I'm failing them as a mother because I simply don't have the strength to take them to the local park or catch a movie together. They’re missing out on so much because of how I’ve been feeling. That’s exactly why I’ve decided to start medication; I just want to feel like a normal person again and be the mom my children truly deserve. I used to be such an optimist. Life always felt manageable, and I never struggled with these kinds of hurdles. That’s actually one of the hardest parts of all this—trying to reconcile who I used to be with the person I've become. It’s heartbreaking to look at how much my life has changed.

There are a few different ways we could go about this:
Hopefully, you’ll start feeling much better soon—honestly, hopefully even more than what those pills can offer!
It won't really do much to help you, nor will it actually make things better; instead, as you probably already know, it’ll just leave you feeling like a total zombie.
It’s going to ruin your life to such an extent that you'll be left weeping for days on end over those panic attacks, cursing the very day you were born.

You’ll just have to weigh everything up yourself—decide what really matters most to you and how much skin you're willing to put in the game.
Here’s a look at some of the lingering side effects from benzodiazepine use that people end up dealing with for months or even years on end:
I’ve been spending quite a bit of my downtime lately diving into some video essays on YouTube, and I just stumbled upon this one. It’s one of those deep dives that really makes you pause and rethink things. Honestly, I love when creators take the time to actually unpack a subject rather than just skimming the surface for clicks. It feels much more substantial, like a well-researched article you'd find in a high-end magazine. It reminded me of a conversation I had a few months back while grabbing coffee in Seattle—just one of those moments where you realize how much nuance we often miss in daily discourse. Sometimes, you need that extra layer of context to truly wrap your head around a concept. If you have a quiet afternoon ahead of you, I highly recommend giving this a watch. It’s definitely worth the time if you're looking for something a bit more intellectually stimulating than the usual mindless scrolling.
I was watching this video earlier today, and it really got me thinking about how much our surroundings influence our mental state. It’s one of those pieces that stays with you, even after you click away. I found myself sitting there with my coffee, just absorbing the message, and it felt quite profound. It reminded me of a conversation I had recently about how we often overlook the small, subtle shifts in our environment that can either ground us or send us spiraling. You know, those moments where everything feels a bit too loud or chaotic? Sometimes, all you need is a little bit of quiet reflection to find your center again. I actually tried a similar approach last week when things were feeling particularly hectic at work—just stepping away for ten minutes to breathe and reset. It’s amazing how much of a difference a tiny shift in perspective can make. Has anyone else felt that way lately? I’d love to hear if you have any specific rituals or habits that help you stay centered when life gets a little overwhelming. It’s such an important part of maintaining our psychological well-being.
I’ve been spending quite a bit of time lately diving into this video, and I honestly feel compelled to share some thoughts on it. It’s one of those pieces that really makes you pause and reflect on how we perceive certain aspects of our daily lives and mental health. Watching it, I couldn't help but think about my own experiences navigating the complexities of modern stress. There was a moment where the narrator discussed the subtle ways anxiety creeps into our routine—it reminded me of a period last year when I felt completely overwhelmed by work. I remember sitting in a small coffee shop in Seattle, just staring at my laptop, feeling that familiar tightness in my chest. It’s funny how these little moments can hit you out of nowhere, isn't it? The way the video approaches the subject is actually quite refreshing. Instead of being overly clinical or dismissive, it feels grounded. It touches on things like the importance of finding balance, which is something I try to practice every single day through meditation and even just taking long walks through the park. It’s easy to get caught up in the hustle of American life, always feeling like we need to be "on," but this content serves as a gentle reminder that it's okay to slow down. I also found myself thinking about what Jason Fisher78 mentioned in a previous thread regarding similar topics. There's a lot of overlap between the perspectives shared here and the discussions we often have in our community. It’s all part of that larger conversation about wellness and understanding our own psychology. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend giving it a watch. Just take it slow, let the ideas sink in, and maybe grab a cup of tea. It’s a lovely little bit of food for thought for anyone looking to gain a bit more clarity.
I've been spending quite a bit of time lately watching this video, and I honestly can't stop thinking about the implications. It’s one of those pieces of content that really makes you pause and reflect on how we navigate our daily lives. You know, I was sitting in my kitchen this morning with a large mug of coffee, just staring at the screen, trying to process some of the points being made. There’s a certain depth here that isn't often captured in mainstream media. It reminds me of a conversation I had a few months back with an old friend of mine while we were grabbing lunch in downtown Chicago. We were discussing how much the landscape of mental health and self-awareness has shifted over the last decade. Looking at this video, I feel like it touches on those exact nerves. It’s not just about the surface-level information; it’s about the underlying psychology of why we react to things the way we do. I noticed a few people in the comments section—including some familiar names from the forums—expressing very different viewpoints. Some are completely aligned with the creator's perspective, while others seem a bit skeptical. Personally, I find the nuance to be the most interesting part. It doesn't offer easy answers, which is actually quite refreshing. In a world where everything is usually boiled down to a ten-second soundbite, having something that encourages actual contemplation feels like a rare gift. I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks. Do you feel like the arguments presented hold up under scrutiny, or do you think they miss the mark on certain practical applications? I'm curious if anyone else felt that slight sense of unease I did halfway through—that moment where you realize you might have been looking at a situation entirely wrong. Let's discuss!

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I was doing some reading earlier today about Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome, and honestly, it’s a heavy topic to dive into. It really makes you stop and think about how delicate our neurochemistry actually is. From what I gathered, when someone has been taking these types of medications for a while, the brain essentially recalibrates itself to account for the presence of the drug. It’s like your body builds a new "normal" around it. So, when that substance is suddenly removed, the central nervous system—which was relying on that medication to stay calm—suddenly finds itself in overdrive. It’s a bit like trying to drive a car where someone has suddenly cut the brakes; everything just feels out of control. The symptoms can be incredibly diverse. You might see physical stuff like tremors, muscle spasms, or even intense sweating, but the psychological side is just as intense. We’re talking about heightened anxiety, panic attacks, and sometimes even sensory issues like light or sound being way too overwhelming. In more severe cases, people can experience seizures or hallucinations, which is frankly terrifying to contemplate. It’s a good reminder of why medical supervision is so vital during any kind of tapering process. You can't just decide to quit cold turkey because the rebound effect can be genuinely dangerous. I remember a friend of mine who tried to taper way too fast without talking to their doctor first, and they ended up feeling absolutely miserable for weeks. It wasn't just "feeling anxious"; it was a total physiological meltdown. It’s such a complex area of Psychology, and there's still so much we're learning about how different individuals respond to these changes. Just wanted to share those thoughts—it's definitely a sobering subject, but an important one to understand.

Unlike heroin or cocaine, where you might experience a relatively sharp peak and crash, coming off other substances can be an absolute nightmare. It’s a grueling process, and honestly, the physical and mental suffering can drag on for years if you aren't careful. I’ve seen people struggle through it, and it really is a different kind of battle altogether.
I don't want to scare you, but I've honestly found myself in that exact same headspace as the people in these videos.
So, here’s the real question: are you going to end up in that unlucky 20% of people who suffer those kinds of setbacks because of psychotropic substances? Honestly, it all really comes down to your genetics. It's one of those things you can't control, much like how some people are naturally more prone to certain allergies or sensitivities. It's just the way our DNA is wired.
I honestly believe people need to be kept in the loop about this stuff. It’s better to be a little wary, because let’s face it—if things start going downhill, a doctor isn't going to pull you aside and say, "Hey, that's just a side effect from your medication." Instead, they tend to imply the issue is all in your head, which can absolutely wreck someone's mental state if they aren't careful. If you think dealing with panic attacks is bad enough, believe me, you haven't even scratched the surface of the hell these people are going through.

If this isn't enough to convince you or anyone else, I am more than happy to walk you through the sheer weight of clinical data and medical research out there. When you factor in decades of firsthand patient experiences, it becomes undeniably clear: the way benzodiazepines have been handled is nothing short of one of the greatest crimes ever committed against humanity.

Believe me, when doctors and psychiatrists start acting like they’re the ultimate authorities on benzodiazepines, it can be incredibly frustrating. No matter how arrogant they act or how much they brag about spending six years in medical school, there's a massive disconnect. It feels irresponsible to watch them hand out prescriptions like candy without truly grasping the nuances of what they're doing. At the end of the day, despite all those credentials, many of them still don't actually have a real handle on the concept.

Some people swear by antidepressants, saying they’ve been a total lifesaver. That's great to hear. Others claim they spent years consistently taking xanaxim, only to find they could taper off quickly and without any major issues at all. Honestly, if that works for them, more power to them!
I’d be more than happy to join that group! It sounds like exactly the kind of community I've been looking for. Just let me know where to jump in.
I wasn't there personally. But for me, my entire life was derailed by being prescribed tiny doses of benzodiazepines over such a short period. It’s like I'm living in a waiting game; one day, if I ever manage to claw my way out of this state, everything I've endured is going to come to light. My story will eventually be etched right alongside the names of all those key "doctors" and "psychiatrists" whose sheer negligence and incompetence stripped away my ability to be a normal, functioning human being. Instead, I find myself doubled over on the floor every other day, screaming in pure agony because it feels like my body and my mind are being torn apart in ways that are endlessly brutal and completely inhumane.

Everyone reacts differently to medication, so you'll get a better sense of how various therapies work by checking out that Psychology PDF.
I don't want to sound like a know-it-all, but if you've been dealing with attacks for five years, pills alone aren't going to fix the problem.
You have to address the root cause.

Be careful with Misar; if you get hooked—which happens incredibly easily—the withdrawal symptoms will be way worse than what you're dealing with right now.

Laura Rodriguez18 said:Everyone reacts differently to medication, and you can actually find a lot more detailed info on various therapies in that Psychology PDF.
I don't want to sound like a know-it-all, but having dealt with attacks for five years, I've learned that pills alone aren't the magic fix.
You really have to address the underlying cause.

Also, be careful with Misar; if you develop a dependency—which happens incredibly easily—the withdrawal symptoms will feel way worse than whatever you're dealing with right now.

That’s exactly what I was telling her just now.
The real issue is that you shouldn't even get to the point of becoming "dependent." Personally, I went through some paradoxical reactions over a short period that eventually turned into a total living hell. They were so subtle that I didn't even realize what was happening; I just kept trusting my doctors and their nonsense. I ended up paying for that mistake with my life.

Raymond Walker5 said:That is precisely what I was telling her just now.
The thing is, you don't even have to worry about getting "hooked." In a very short window of time, I experienced these paradoxical reactions that eventually spiraled into a living hell. They were so subtle—so incredibly easy to miss—that I didn't even realize what was happening; I just sat there believing whatever nonsense my doctors were feeding me. I paid for that mistake with my life.

I am so sorry you’re going through all of this; I can't even begin to imagine the headspace you're in right now... I am fully aware that pills aren't the ultimate solution, but that’s exactly why I asked for the smallest possible dose—I know that true inner work is the best therapy, but I just need enough strength to actually get moving and start living again. I have a one-year-old son, and because of this medication, I’m not allowed to breastfeed him anymore—it breaks my heart, and I feel terrible having to take that away from him, but honestly, I don't see any other way to help myself at the moment. I absolutely will not allow this treatment to last a second longer than prescribed, and until then, I’m hoping I can start doing the actual emotional heavy lifting on my own. Please, share your experiences with panic attacks—how did you conquer them? Because I swear, I try every single time they hit, but I just end up failing.🤦

placidtrucker75 said:I am so incredibly sorry you’re going through all of this right now; I honestly can't even begin to imagine the weight of what you're carrying. I completely understand where you're coming from regarding medication—it’s definitely not the ultimate answer. That’s exactly why I specifically asked my doctor for the smallest dose possible. I know deep down that doing the actual internal work is the best therapy there is, but sometimes you just need a little bit of strength to get moving so you can actually start living again. It’s been such a struggle lately, especially with my one-year-old son. Because of my treatment plan, I’ve had to stop breastfeeding him, and my heart just breaks every single day over that. It feels terrible having to take that away from him, but honestly, I don't feel like I have any other way to help myself at this moment. Please know that I have absolutely no intention of letting this medication continue for a second longer than prescribed. My goal is to reach a point where I can start focusing on my own healing and mental health work before the prescription runs out. If anyone here has gone through similar struggles with panic attacks, could you please share your experiences? How did you finally overcome them? I feel like I’m trying so hard every single time an attack hits, but I just can't seem to get the upper hand. Any advice would mean the world to me.🤦

A panic attack can definitely take over for a little while, but at its core, it’s really just your subconscious reacting to some underlying fear. It sounds like you might be feeling a bit insecure about something right now—honestly, most of us have been there, and it’s actually a pretty normal part of growing up and finding our footing. I suspect that becoming a parent might have been the trigger here; that sudden, massive weight of responsibility can be overwhelming for anyone.
The best way to handle panic attacks is actually to just let them happen. I know, that sounds incredibly difficult to pull off in the moment, but they’re persistent because they feed on your fear. It’s a classic Catch-22 situation—if you fight against the panic, it intensifies; if you try to welcome it, it loses its grip. You're essentially stuck in a stalemate where you can't help but want the feeling to go away. It feels like a total checkmate when you're in the middle of it, but you really can win this battle by shifting your mental approach. My advice? Stop giving these episodes so much weight. Instead of fighting back, try to let them play out in their worst form without getting emotionally swept up in the chaos. I personally find it helpful to detach and observe the symptoms as if I’m just watching a movie on a screen. Once your subconscious realizes there’s nothing left to be afraid of, the panic simply loses its reason to show up.

I truly believe that if you approach this with the right mindset and commit to consistent practice, you can absolutely achieve it.
Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I’d much rather just have a beer or two here and there. It feels like a far healthier way to unwind, and it's incredibly less damaging than relying on Misar. To be honest, you’d really have to be a total wreck—someone who’s been drowning in booze for years—to actually ruin your health with alcohol, unless, of course, you happen to have that specific genetic predisposition that makes it hit you harder than everyone else.
Of course, now that you’ve started on the tablets, I really want to make sure you don't misinterpret things. Please, whatever you do, don't let it cross your mind to mix alcohol with those medications. It’s dangerous because alcohol significantly intensifies the effects of anxiolytics. To give you a real idea of the risk: taking even just 0.25 mg of Misar alongside a beer could feel like you've taken a massive 5 mg dose, though you wouldn't even realize it's happening at the moment. By doing that, you'd be fast-tracking your tolerance levels and, much more concerningly, inviting a whole host of nasty side effects. Stay safe!
It’s also worth noting that mixing alcohol with those pills can be seriously dangerous for you. I remember a friend of mine back in Chicago who didn't quite realize how much they could clash, and it turned into a pretty scary situation very quickly. It's definitely one of those things where you really need to be careful and prioritize your safety.

Since you've already committed to the tablets, I really wouldn't recommend mixing them with anything else. If I were in your shoes, I’d be extra careful about even taking something like Panadole. You definitely want to steer clear of those heavy-duty fluoroquinolone antibiotics, and honestly, I'd avoid anything that acts through the central nervous system altogether. It's always better to play it safe.

The moment you stop living in fear of those panic attacks is exactly when they finally start to lose their grip on you. I know firsthand how terrifying they can feel—it's like your whole world is tilting—but honestly, they aren't even close to the level of chaos Misar is capable of causing.
Looking back on it now, I can say I’ve dealt with about five major panic attacks over the last decade. Honestly, they were pretty intense when they hit—enough that I won't even go into the gritty details here—but they are firmly in the past.
It’s been quite a while since I finally just let myself go and surrendered to it all.

Looking back now, I realize just how intense things actually were. Honestly, it doesn't even compare to the absolute nightmare I've been dealing with for months on end—that constant, unrelenting struggle. For a little while there, I actually felt like I was turning a corner and making some real progress. But then, I made a bit of a tactical error. I came down with the flu and decided to take some Tylenol to manage the symptoms, and man, that was a huge mistake. It felt like I had completely reset my progress back to zero.
I’ve actually made a strict rule for myself: I can't take any kind of pharmaceutical medication for at least a couple of years while I focus on my recovery. That means no antibiotics, no corticosteroid creams, no eye or ear drops... nothing. Even alcohol is completely off the table right now. I have to be incredibly careful about everything I put into my body.

If I were you, I’d look into some psycho-mental exercises instead. There are endless resources online these days that teach you how to manage through those techniques. In my opinion, psychotropic substances aren't the answer to these kinds of struggles. Benzodiazepines, specifically, aren't really a "cure" by any stretch of the imagination—they don't fix the underlying issue, nor have they ever truly cured anyone. They are essentially just very dangerous sedatives. Generally speaking, psychotropic drugs should really only be reserved for severe psychosis or major clinical depression. For almost anything else, I honestly think they should be restricted. Luckily for the psychiatrists and this whole rotten, corrupt medical establishment, they don't really ask for my input.

Raymond Walker5 said:A panic attack might seize control of you for a little while, but at its core, it’s just your subconscious reacting to some underlying fear. You’re clearly feeling insecure about something—which, let’s be honest, most of us have been there—and that’s actually a pretty standard part of growing up. It’s possible that having a child became the trigger, given the massive weight of responsibility that comes with it.
The best way to handle panic attacks is, paradoxically, to just let them happen. I know, that sounds incredibly difficult to pull off, but they are powerful because they feed on your fear. It’s a total Catch-22. If you fight the panic, it arrives; if you try to welcome it, it stays away. Either way, you can't really stop wanting it to stay gone. It feels like being in a checkmate position, but with the right mental shift, you can actually win this. You have to stop giving these episodes such monumental importance. Instead of fighting, try to observe what’s happening to you as if you were simply watching a movie. Once your subconscious realizes you aren't afraid anymore, there won't be any reason for the panic to show up.

This can be achieved through practice and a specific mental approach.
Personally? If I were in your shoes, I’d much rather indulge in a beer here and there. It’s healthier—incredibly less damaging than Misar, anyway—and honestly, you’d have to be a real degenerate, someone who’s been drowning in booze for years, to ruin your life with alcohol (unless, of course, you have that specific genetic predisposition where it hits you particularly hard).
But look, now that you’ve started medication—and please, don't get me wrong—do *not* let the idea cross your mind to mix alcohol with those poisons. Alcohol massively amplifies the effects of anxiolytics. Essentially, taking 0.25 mg of Misar with a beer could feel like you just took 5 mg of Misar, without you even realizing it. You’d just be fast-tracking your tolerance and inviting a whole host of unwanted side effects.
Plus, mixing alcohol with these pills is legitimately life-threatening.

So, since you’ve already committed to the pills, don't mix them with anything else. For what it's worth, if I were you, I wouldn't even touch Tylenol, let alone dangerous fluoroquinolone antibiotics or anything that acts on the central nervous system.

Once you stop fearing the panic attacks, they will stop coming. I realize how terrifying they can be, but they aren't even in the same league as what Misar can do to you.
In my ten years, I only had about five major panic attacks. They were pretty intense, though I won't go into the gory details.
They stopped once I finally surrendered to them.

And looking back now, those five attacks don't even compare to the absolute nightmare I've been dealing with nonstop for months. I was actually starting to feel better, but then I took Tylenol a few days after catching the flu, and it was a fatal mistake—it sent me right back to square one.
For the next couple of years, I can't put anything pharmaceutical in my body... no antibiotics, no corticosteroid creams, no eye drops, no nasal sprays, no ear drops... and certainly no alcohol. Nothing.

You should try some psychological exercises. There are endless resources online on how to manage this. In my opinion, psychotropic poisons aren't the answer. Benzodiazepines, specifically, are no cure for anything; they won't fix you, nor have they ever truly cured anyone. They are just very dangerous sedatives. Generally speaking, psychotropic drugs should be reserved for psychosis or severe clinical depression. For anything else, I’d ban them entirely. Fortunately for psychiatrists—and this rotten, corrupt medical system—nobody asks for my opinion.

Thanks for everything you shared. You are 100% right... I know that during a panic attack, nothing bad can physically happen to my health, and I've read so much literature over the last few years that I feel like I know almost everything about them. At one point, I was obsessed, searching every possible website for information. I even read a good book called *Panic Away*. But again, when it actually happens, I feel like it's something else entirely, not just panic. If a doctor were standing right next to me and could run tests to show me everything is fine, I think I wouldn't be so scared—I'd know it's just an attack and it will pass. But in the moment, I always think it's something more serious. The first time happened suddenly while I was driving my older son on the highway... maybe my blood sugar dropped or it was the heat, since we were on a day trip to the coast. It happened on the way back while we were in a tunnel... and since then, I've been terrified of driving on fast roads, tunnels, or in enclosed spaces. I never wanted to become dependent on pills; I've always been repulsed by the idea. I've never taken them. In my entire life, I've only ever taken three pain pills total, and that was only when I absolutely couldn't stand the pain, so that's why I'm so scared—I'm just not used to taking medication. And now, suddenly, I'm on two different heavy types of therapy. I'll see how things develop over the next two weeks and talk to my doctor at my next appointment. I would love to try cognitive behavioral therapy, even privately if necessary; I don't care about the cost as long as I know the person is an expert. Health is priceless. If anyone knows a good, experienced psychiatrist or a Psychologist who specializes in this, please recommend them... How long have you been dealing with your problems, and are you undergoing any kind of therapy?

placidtrucker75 said:Thank you so much for sharing all of that. You are absolutely 100% right. I know deep down that during a panic attack, nothing physically bad is actually happening to my body, and honestly, I’ve read so much literature over the last few years that I feel like an expert on them. There was a period where I was almost obsessed, scouring every possible website looking for answers. I even read a really good book called *Panic Away*. But even with all that knowledge, when it actually happens, my brain tells me it's something else entirely—not just panic. If I had a doctor standing right next to me to run tests and confirm everything is fine, I think I could stay calm, knowing it's just an attack that will pass. But without that reassurance, I always spiral into thinking it's something more serious. The first time it happened, it caught me completely off guard while I was driving my older son on the highway. Maybe my blood sugar dropped, or maybe it was just the heat since we were on a day trip to the coast. It happened while we were driving through a tunnel on the way back. Ever since then, I’ve been terrified of driving on fast highways, going through tunnels, or being in enclosed spaces. I have such a fear of becoming dependent on medication; it’s something I’ve always dreaded. I’ve never really taken anything. In my entire life, I’ve probably only taken three pain relievers total, and even then, it was only because the pain was unbearable. That’s why this is so scary for me—I am just not used to taking pills. And now, suddenly, I'm facing a prescription for two different heavy medications. I’m going to monitor how things progress over the next two weeks and then discuss everything with my doctor at my next appointment. I would love to try Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, even if I have to pay out of pocket privately. Price isn't the issue; I just want to make sure whoever I see is a true expert. Health is priceless, after all. If anyone knows a great, experienced psychiatrist or a Psychologist who specializes in this, please let me know... Also, how long have you been dealing with your own struggles, and are you currently in any kind of therapy?

Rest assured, your doctor or psychiatrist isn't going to try to force you off your medication. That’s just not how it works. If one antidepressant doesn't do the trick, they'll try a second one. If the second doesn't work, they'll move to a third, and so on. Just yesterday, a friend was telling me how her psychiatrist cycled her through six different antidepressants, and then ended up blaming her by saying the meds weren't working simply because she didn't believe in them! 🤣
That’s just "science" and "medicine" for you.
You should definitely look for a solid psychologist. A close friend of mine sees Vladimir Nemet, and she swears by him. She’s a very sharp, level-headed person, so I trust her judgment completely.
Here is some info on him:

Raymond Walker5 said:Look, your psychiatrist isn't going to want to take you off medication—make no mistake about that. If one antidepressant doesn't hit the mark, they’ll just swap it for another. If that fails? They’ll try a third, and we could go on forever. Just yesterday, a girl told me her psychiatrist cycled through six different antidepressants before finally turning the tables and blaming *her*—claiming the meds weren't working simply because she didn't believe in them. 🤣
That’s what passes for "science" and "medicine" these days.
Honestly, your best bet is to find a solid psychologist. A friend of mine sees Vladimir Nemet, and she swears by him. She’s usually incredibly sharp, so I don't take her word lightly.
Here is his info if you want to check him out: https://www.psychotherapy.com/vladimir-nemet/

Oh, thank you—I am definitely going to look into him. It really isn't my intention to just gorge myself on pills; I know how it goes, where every psychiatrist immediately jumps to prescribing medication because it’s the path of least resistance. I have absolutely no desire to become dependent on anything. I have people in my circle who are on various medications, and frankly, seeing them daily in such declining states makes it painfully obvious when someone is heavily medicated. I realize I can't fix this on my own, regardless of how simple the issue might seem—I clearly need help. I feel terrible that I even ended up in this state, though I certainly didn't do it on purpose. I’ve always been an optimist and a social person, and the last thing I want is to end up as a pill addict. I get that it's a matter of brain chemistry, but even this morning, I was hesitating over whether to take my dose at all. I'm torn between just stopping abruptly—which sounds unwise—or waiting until my next appointment to discuss it with the doctor. I'm taking a very minimal dose, 0.12 mg of Misar and 5 mg of Citram, so I doubt I'll develop a massive dependency overnight... But tell me, are you currently in therapy? How are you actually working on yourself—how are you coping, given everything you've described?

placidtrucker75 said:Oh, thank you, I’ll definitely look into that for him... Honestly, it isn't my intention to just get hooked on pills. I know how it goes—every psychiatrist seems to suggest medication immediately because it's the easiest route for them, but I really wouldn't want to become dependent on anything. I have a few people in my circle who are on meds, and seeing them every day, they honestly look like they're struggling more and more; you can just tell someone is on certain therapies the moment you see them. I am aware that I can't solve this on my own, no matter how simple the issue might seem, so I know I need help. I feel terrible that I've even reached this point, though it certainly wasn't intentional. I keep reminding myself that I've always been a positive, social person, and I really don't want to end up in a position where I'm addicted to tablets. I understand it's all about chemistry. In fact, I was second-guessing whether I should even take my medication this morning. I'm just not sure if it's smarter to stop abruptly or wait until my next appointment with my doctor. I'm taking a very small dose—0.12 mg of Misar and 5 mg of Cymbalta—so I'm hoping I won't develop an addiction right away. Could you tell me if you're on any therapy? How are you working on yourself? How are you managing, given the situation you described?

It really depends on how long you've been on them. If you haven't been on antidepressants for a long time, you might be able to taper off a bit faster, but with anxiolytics, you absolutely cannot rush it—never—even if you're on tiny doses. You have to scale down gradually, maybe even taking a month or more if necessary. Regarding the Misar, you generally don't have to follow her regimen strictly; you can just stick to the antidepressant, since Misar is an anxiolytic meant solely to ease your immediate distress when things get bad. If you aren't feeling that acute distress, it's better not to take it and just use it as needed. In my opinion, if you want to avoid dependency or paradoxical reactions, you shouldn't be taking more than two Misar a week.
It doesn't matter how small the dose is. For me, even at the lowest 2 mg of Normabel (which is roughly equivalent to the smallest doses of Misar), everything started getting worse and worse within the first month.

I'm not going on any therapy because nobody would listen to my cries for help when my body started twitching uncontrollably from the Normabel, and I felt like I was on heavy LSD in my own head. Instead, they just played doctor, trying to diagnose me with "subconscious issues." God forbid they actually admit I was being poisoned by that stuff. Don't expect much wisdom from psychiatrists or doctors. They act like they know everything, but in reality, they just reflexively deny all medication side effects.

Try to find a good psychologist or therapist who won't push pills on you. Ultimately, you are the one who decides whether or not to take medication, not them. People tend to follow them blindly, and then once they find themselves in hell, the doctors just tell them, "It's all in your head."
Actually, here are more examples of doctors around the world ending up in the spotlight for telling people "it's all in your head" after poisoning them:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/.../23/health.NHS

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...s-6282542.html

I know this state I'm in has to pass eventually; the only question is when. I was actually doing better until I went back to square one because of just a single Tylenol. The thing is, once your receptors are damaged, you can't take anything that acts through the CNS—meaning the brain—and that includes alcohol and the full force of pharmaceutical toxins. Even regular magnesium can make me feel worse if I take too much. That's why I'm letting my brain heal on its own. Nature knows how to restore homeostasis all by itself.

If you look at any Psychology textbook or listen to most professionals, they’ll try to push those pills on you because they’re practically living on them themselves—their brains are basically fried from following all that "expert" advice.
The reality is that medication might offer some short-term relief, but in the long run, it can cause unimaginable damage, and I know that from personal experience. It all leads to dependency, even with SSRIs, regardless of what some doctors claim isn't possible. I've seen people spend years trying to recover from SSRIs just as much as they do from benzodiazepines.

When it comes to panic attacks and anxiety, it’s really a matter of your own subconscious and how you process things, not some permanent defect in your brain. Because of that, taking pills doesn't make much sense to me.
If you happen to hit a truly horrific panic attack right in the moment, sure, using a benzodiazepine makes sense. But other than that, taking them every single day just because a doctor prescribed them? In my opinion, that's total idiocy, and honestly, it's dangerous. While there is some theoretical logic to using an SSRI daily, an anxiolytic definitely shouldn't be used that way.

I really think everyone should check this out... there are interviews with major experts and Dr. Ashton, who spent an entire decade treating and helping hundreds of people who went through absolute hell because of benzos:


And here is a documentary currently in the works:

Raymond Walker5 said:It really depends on how long you've been on antidepressants. If you haven't been on an AD for a long time, I suppose you might be able to taper off faster—but with anxiolytics? Absolutely not. Never too fast, even if you're on tiny doses. You have to scale down gradually to the absolute minimum, and sometimes that takes a month or more. Regarding Misar, you don't necessarily have to follow her regimen strictly; you should just take the AD, because Misar is an anxiolytic meant solely to ease a sudden spike in anxiety. If you aren't feeling it, don't take it—just use it as needed. In my opinion, to avoid dependency or those weird paradoxical reactions, you shouldn't be taking more than two Misar a week.
The dosage doesn't matter. Even at the smallest 2 mg dose of Normabel (which is basically the same as the lowest Misar dose), things were getting progressively worse for me within the first month alone.

I’m not touching any kind of "therapy" because when I screamed for help, nobody listened—not when my body started twitching uncontrollably from the Normabel, or when my brain felt like I was tripping on heavy LSD. Instead, they played amateur psychologist and made up nonsense about "subconscious issues." God forbid they actually admit they were poisoning me with that junk. Don't expect much intelligence from psychiatrists or doctors; they act like they know everything, but in reality, they just reflexively deny every single side effect.

Find a decent psychologist or therapist who isn't going to force pills on you. You are the one who decides whether or not to take medication, not them. People blindly trust these professionals, and then when they end up in hell, the doctors just tell them, "It's all in your head."
In fact, here are a few examples of doctors ending up in the spotlight for telling people "it's all in your head" after essentially poisoning them:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/.../23/health.NHS

https://www.independent.co.uk/life/s...s-6282542.html

I know this state I'm in has to pass eventually; the only question is when. I was actually doing better until I reset my progress by taking just a single Tylenol. The thing is, once your receptors are damaged, you can't take anything that acts through the CNS—meaning your brain—and that includes alcohol, let alone the full force of pharmaceutical toxins. Even regular magnesium can make me feel worse if I take too much. That's why I'm letting my brain heal itself. Nature knows how to restore homeostasis on its own.

If you look at Psychology, everyone will push those pills on you because they're all constantly on them themselves—their brains have been washed by these "experts."
The truth is, while pills might offer short-term relief, they can cause unimaginable long-term damage, just like they did to me. It all creates dependency, including ADs, regardless of what anyone claims. People spend years recovering from ADs just as they do from benzodiazepines.

As for panic attacks and anxiety, that’s purely a matter of your own subconscious and your mental state, not some chronic defect in your brain; therefore, pills don't make sense to me.
If you happen to have a massive panic attack in the moment, sure, use a benzodiazepine. But other than that, taking one every day just because your doctor prescribed it is total idiocy—and dangerous. Theoretically, an AD makes sense for daily use, but an anxiolytic absolutely does not.

Everyone should look into this... interviews with major experts and Dr. Ashton, who spent a decade helping hundreds of people navigate the hell caused by benzos:

And here is another documentary in the making:

I’m just wrapping up my fourth day of therapy today—and honestly, what they’re doing is just appalling. Of course they hide behind their little legal shields, too... I actually resisted vaccinating my kids for quite a while for similar reasons; I personally know a few cases where children were left with permanent disabilities after being vaccinated. In my own neighborhood, three different kids suffered complications following their shots. When my pediatrician called me demanding I bring my child in because it's "legally mandated," I told her fine, but only if she could provide a written guarantee that there wouldn't be any adverse consequences. She flat-out refused to put anything in writing. When I pressed her on whether the vaccine was truly safe, she basically just shrugged her shoulders—which, let’s face it, said everything I needed to know. It's clear to me that Big Pharma is driven by chemistry and profit margins; as long as they move product, they couldn't care less if someone gets ruined in the process. I sent a message over to Dr. Vladimir Nemet, so now I'm just waiting to hear back. I am truly sorry to see how much they've broken you, but things will get better—I can tell you've gained quite a lot of wisdom through all this life experience. I genuinely wish you a fast, high-quality, and—of course—painless recovery.