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Brazil vs. USA - Nov 7, 2010

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Jonathan Adams85 Jonathan Adams85 Member
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#161 ·
Webber might just screw things up at the start, or even later in the race, because honestly, he’s a bit of a loose cannon.

Hulkenberg🙏🙏🙏🙏 🙏🙏🙏

The kid deserves a massive amount of respect for his rookie season. In just 18 career starts, driving a car that isn't even in the top five, he pulled off a podium—and not just any podium. His pace was over a full second😲 faster than whoever finished second.

🙏🙏
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#162 ·
cosmicridge5 said:😬


Our driver is a total legend. He just veered his car off course and started plowing through the pack, hitting and shoving everyone in line one by one.


Clearly, Webber was behind the wheel. 😵
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#163 ·
Jonathan Adams85 said:Webber might mess things up at the start, or later in the race, since he’s not exactly the most stable guy mentally.

Hulkenberg🙏🙏🙏 🙏 🙏

The kid deserves a standing ovation for his rookie season. In just 18 career starts, driving a car that isn't even top five, he pulled off a podium—and not just any podium. His pace was over a second😲 faster than P2.

🙏🙏

And an even bigger shocker? He was three seconds faster than Mass, who’s supposed to be the local hero and knows this track better than anyone.

It’s honestly baffling and an incredible achievement.🙏

It’s a damn shame a driver like that has to fight for a seat next year while a bunch of entitled assholes with deep pockets get spots handed to them without breaking a sweat.🤦
Christian Williams61 Christian Williams61 Regular
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#164 ·
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Maybe they'll start catching him on the backstretch—if that happens, he’s just gonna blast right past everyone.😂

🤣
Nah, they’ll just call in some other driver to do the dirty work for him—classic move. 🤣
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#165 ·
Edward Howard2 said:It's definitely better than finishing in this order with Hulk ahead of those four.

Obviously, I'm rooting for that outcome.
I'm also pulling for Sebastian Vettel; he's basically Fernando Alonso's biggest ally in these two races. 😍

If things end up looking like this, Abu Dhabi will give Fernando enough...
1. Sebastian Vettel, 2. Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso, 3. Lewis Hamilton, 4. Fernando Alonso
...to clinch the title.

Yeah, right. Vettel, because he's just so fast.
Lewis is an ally too, but I wonder how much that actually matters given how the McLaren is performing. Especially in Brazil, where he's trailing Fernando and the Red Bulls by two or three tenths per lap.
Still, Yas Marina might be his shot. Red Bull shouldn't have such a massive advantage there.

Edward Howard2 said:It’s great for Nico Hulkenberg that Sebastian Vettel is sitting right in second. It gives him the best shot at a win, regardless of how much the Williams struggles. We all know how "good" Sebastian is at overtaking on track, so if they both nail the start and hold their spots through the first lap, Sebastian becomes the perfect buffer for Hulk, keeping him away from the trio chasing him down. We could end up with a solid little Hulk train until the pit stops. With a bit of luck in the pits, he might even pull off the win, though it's a long shot to stay ahead of everyone through the stops. The gaps will be tight, so Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, or even Fernando Alonso could jump in. We'll see how it all plays out... 😁

If Nico Hulkenberg manages to clear the first corner in the lead, we're definitely looking at a train.
The Red Bull duo will have Fernando and Lewis breathing down their necks, so anything can happen.
Fernando is only a tenth or two behind Sebastian, Lewis is about that far behind Fernando, and the Williams is roughly that distance behind the McLaren. A train is a 100% certainty.
I'm also worried about Rubens being right behind Fernando. He's a Brazilian racing in Brazil, after all.
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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joined Nov 2010
#166 ·
Nico really needs to hold his ground through that entire first lap. We all know how aggressive the drivers trailing him can get; they’ll be snapping at his heels like hungry wolves. It’s a calculated gamble on their part—anyone who manages to dive past him secures a clear track ahead, while anyone who fails to make the move just ends up stuck in a massive, slow-moving train behind him. Isn't that always how it goes? One wrong move and you're just watching the taillights of the car in front for the rest of the stint.

Here we go again with the same old issue. They’re going to be fighting tooth and nail just to overtake Nico Rosberg, and honestly, I can already see them potentially clashing with one another in the process. Isn't it always a bit of a gamble when everyone gets that aggressive at once? 🙏 🙏
shadowtinker29 shadowtinker29 Member
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#167 ·
mistybear87 said:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88015

But honestly, maybe that isn't even the case 😁

Yeah, but if you check out those speed trap numbers from practice, Nico Hulkenberg is actually one of the slowest...7.5 miles/slower than Jenson Button, for instance—which was the main reason Jens struggled to get his tires up to temperature during qualifying, since he was running a low downforce setup

On the flip side, Hulk is running a high downforce setup, which makes it basically the perfect configuration for the kind of track conditions we saw in Q3...

I mean, Ferrari and Red Bull are only a tiny bit faster than Williams, so anything could happen...

Anyway, provided he doesn't mess up the start, I think Hulk might just pull off a train of cars like we haven't seen since the glory days of Jarno Trulli... 😁

It would be a dream scenario for the drivers who decide to go with the harder tire compounds at the start (maybe Jenson Button, Kamui Kobayashi, or Nico Rosberg?)
Tyler Lewis38 Tyler Lewis38 Newcomer
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#168 ·
Oh, just imagine if things had played out like this:
1) Sebastian Vettel
2) Lewis Hamilton
3) anyone else, really
4) Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso
With Alonso out of the running

Everyone would be sitting pretty within a point or two of each other!😁
Edward Howard2 Edward Howard2 Regular
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joined Jan 2010
#169 ·
stormybadger8 said:Man, Alonso had basically nothing going for him before one race, then maybe a tiny theoretical chance a couple of races later, and by the time we hit Germany, he was pretty much out of it. So, what now?🙄

Man, can we talk about what just happened? A few laps before the end of that last race, Vettel was actually sitting pretty at the top of the championship standings. Before that race even kicked off, he didn't have Hamilton or Alonso even in his rearview mirror, let alone chasing him down. Now look at us. What a complete rollercoaster. How did things flip this fast?🙄

Roger Wright94 said:That’s just your take, man. Honestly? I think you've got it all wrong. But hey, I'm a die-hard fan, so let's just say I'm definitely biased.
Look, there’s a reason we have such a solid group of people here. We’ve got actual experts who know their stuff—people who were calling the shots and laying out logical arguments for why Fernando Alonso was the undisputed number one title contender way before that last race even happened. I still remember what Joe and DMJ were saying about it. They nailed it.

So, I was just reading what this absolute legend—a true connoisseur of Formula 1—had to say about the odds for Alonso and the rest of the field. He actually broke it all down with some serious logic, too. Here’s the deal... ☕

I can't believe we're actually talking about this again. Honestly, I feel like a total idiot for even bringing up my old theories from years ago, but here we are! Looking back, I was definitely overthinking things way too much. It’s kind of funny, really. I used to be so convinced about certain driver matchups, but man, was I wrong. Anyway, what do you guys think about the current grid? Is anyone else feeling as lost as I am, or am I just spinning my wheels? Let me know if I'm totally tripping!
Edward Howard2 says:
Everyone keeps saying Alonso doesn't stand a chance... but honestly, they said the exact same thing back in Germany. As soon as he snatched that win, all you heard was pure panic and people tearing him apart in the McLaren and Red Bull fan circles, simply because they knew he was a massive threat for the title. It’s the same old story playing out right now. They’re trying to downplay him again. But mark my words: if Alonso pulls off a win at Monza, the fear and the finger-pointing are going to start all over again.

I mean, honestly? Your fears are totally justified. If you take a closer look at who his actual rivals for the title are right now... man, it's a tough situation.
What's even the point of Lewis Hamilton having a 50-point lead if he just ends up blowing the whole thing at the finish line during the last two races?
Red Bull isn't going to put Mark Webber in that lead driver seat as long as Sebastian Vettel still has a mathematical shot at the title.
Sebastian Vettel is basically proving once again that he just can't turn a championship-winning car into actual titles. I mean, seriously? He’s grabbed seven poles this year, but only managed two wins. To put it bluntly: he's a total loser.
It’s honestly hilarious how Jenson Button can't seem to stay ahead of Lewis Hamilton. Every single time he finally finds that extra gear, starts charging through the field, and begins laying down serious pressure on Lewis... boom. Out of nowhere, he either runs bone-dry on fuel or his front wing just snaps off. And the kicker? Even with a busted wing, he’s still clocking faster laps than Hamilton! It's like the universe is actively working against him at the worst possible moments.

So, here’s the deal: Alonso is still very much in the hunt, and honestly, he’s got a legitimate shot at the title. At this point, the skill gap between the top drivers and their current standing isn't even the real issue. The million-dollar question is whether that Ferrari car can actually hold its own against McLaren and Red Bull for the rest of the season. I mean, let's be real—even if Alonso is a total wizard behind the wheel, we can't exactly expect him to pull off a miracle every single weekend when he's fighting a car that's clearly outclassed by the faster machinery on the grid.

This post was written two months ago on September 10th at 11:32 AM, right as the first practice session in Monza wrapped up. Back then, Fernando Alonso finished P8, trailing all those guys ahead of him...

At that point, Alonso was sitting in fifth in the championship, trailing the leader, Lewis Hamilton, by a massive 41 points (182 to 141).

And man, look what happened after I dropped that post...
Alonso goes out and grabs three wins plus a podium!
Meanwhile, Hamilton—who was leading the pack—completely choked off 50 points to Alonso over the next two races, getting tangled up with Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso in Italy and Singapore. He just totally lost his cool once he hit that championship lead; the pressure just cracked him.
Red Bull hasn't even officially named Webber their number one driver yet, which would give him a huge cushion right now.
Then there's Vettel, who keeps proving he’s just straight-up incapable of turning a great car into a title.
And Jenson Button? Before the last race in Korea, he was neck-and-neck with Hamilton, only three points back. Now, suddenly, after Korea and the Brazil qualifying, he’s had two absolutely disastrous outings while his teammate is killing it. It’s obvious he got too close to Hamilton in the standings, and McLaren definitely pulled the red alarm. I honestly doubt they're even running the same spec anymore. Button probably should have called for some independent stewards in the garage, just like Alonso did back in 2007, to make sure nobody was messing with his setup. McLaren already has a reputation for those shady moves... but hey, don't expect Button to be as obsessed with the technical side of the car as Alonso is. Not really his style.

I actually wrote another post even earlier where I was putting Alonso right up there as a legitimate title contender, but he was racing somewhere else so I can't be bothered to dig it up now...
Most of the Red Bull and McLaren fans were laughing at my rational takes, but honestly, that just shows how shallow their knowledge is and how much they overrate their favorites. 🤣
Jonathan Adams85 Jonathan Adams85 Member
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#170 ·
redheron12 said:It’s honestly pathetic watching what happened to Williams. You’ve got all that legacy and decades of pure engineering genius—I mean, they probably built the greatest car to ever hit the track at one point—and now look at them. They’re out there celebrating a single pole position like a bunch of little kids who just won a playground race. It's sad. 🙂

And that last win actually happened right here in Brazil back in 2004. (Juan Pablo Montoya)

Man, you wouldn't believe the crazy stuff that went down yesterday.😲

I’ve got some Alonso posters hanging up in my room. In the one I'm looking at right now, it's just Alonso and Fisichella rocking the Renault, and then there's another one of him in the Williams.

Unbelievable. As soon as I walked into the room, the poster just peeled right off the wall. It was only holding on by a single corner of Scotch tape, and of course, it was facing the Williams side.

Unbelievable how much symbolism is packed into this.😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
hollowgull5 hollowgull5 Active Member
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#171 ·
Morgan Murphy7 said:Anyone actually want to hear my take on this?...

lol ☕
Jonathan Adams85 Jonathan Adams85 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#172 ·
Joshua Newman2 said:Anyway, let’s see who you think actually has a shot at taking the title among the remaining four contenders (too bad Jenson Button is already out of the running).

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Lewis Hamilton
Adam Jones Adam Jones Newcomer
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#173 ·
Tyler Lewis38 said:What if things actually looked like this:
1)Sebastian Vettel
2)Lewis Hamilton
3)Anyone at all
4)Mark Webber
Alonso's out

Everyone would be sitting pretty in those top two spots.😁

3) Schumi👍
Edward Howard2 Edward Howard2 Regular
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#174 ·
Jonathan Adams85 said:and his last win was right here in Brazil back in 2004 (Montoya)

but man, something totally wild happened to me yesterday😲

so, I've got these posters in my room, right? one side shows Alonso and Fisico in the Renault, and the other side is Williams

and get this—as soon as I walked into the room, the poster actually peeled off the wall! Only one corner was still held up by some tape, and it had flipped over to show the Williams side

it's honestly crazy how much symbolism there is in that😲 😲 😲 😲 😲 😲 😲 😲

Are you trying to tell me... it's finally time for Alonso to move to Williams and for me to start rooting for them? 😁
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#175 ·
Edward Howard2
Edward Howard2 Asks:
Here’s what a truly respectable gentleman and seasoned F1 expert had to say regarding the prospects for Alonso and the rest of the field. He laid it all out with some very rational reasoning... ☕

Edward Howard2 says:

This was posted two months ago, back on September 10th at 11:32 AM. That was right as the first practice session in Monza wrapped up. Alonso finished in eighth, sitting behind all those competitors ahead of him.

At that point, Alonso was sitting in fifth place. He was trailing Lewis Hamilton by a massive 41 points—a gap of 182 to 141. Hard to imagine, isn't it?

And then, following that post of mine... what happened next?
Alonso pulls off three wins and a podium. What a run.
Hamilton, sitting in the lead, just threw away exactly 50 points over the last two races. He got far too aggressive fighting with Massa and Webber in Italy and Singapore. It’s the same old story: the moment he finds himself leading the championship, he loses his cool and cracks under the pressure.
Red Bull still hasn't promoted Webber to the lead driver role. If they had? He’d be sitting on a massive advantage by now. Wouldn't he?
Vettel just keeps proving it. Can he actually take a top-tier car and turn it into a championship? It doesn't look like it.
Button was sitting right there in the mix with Hamilton just before that last race, trailing by only three points. Now? Suddenly, after two races—that one in Korea and qualifying in Brazil—he’s struggling miserably while his teammate is absolutely flying. It’s obvious. He got too close to Hamilton’s shadow, and McLaren definitely pulled the red alert. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't even running the same spec anymore. Shouldn't he have called for some independent officials to check the garage, similar to what Alonso did back in 2007? Just to make sure nobody is messing with his setup? McLaren has a history of these shady moves. Then again, Button isn't exactly a technical wizard like Alonso, so maybe he just doesn't know what to look for.

I think I posted something earlier about how Alonso was already a serious contender for the title back then. It was during one of those races, but honestly? I can't be bothered to go hunting for it now.
Most of the Red Bull and McLaren fans were busy mocking these kinds of rational takes. But honestly? It just highlights how shallow their knowledge actually is. They're clearly overestimating what their favorite teams can actually pull off. 🤣

Wow. Two months ago. 🙏

🙄

Edward Howard2
Jason Campbell70 said:It’s become a bit of a trademark for Ferrari, hasn't it? They always seem to find that extra gear and pick up the pace just as the season starts hitting its stride.

With 275 points on the board and 11 races left to go, being 15 points behind Alonso seems like nothing. And honestly? It is.

I wouldn't write him off quite that easily.


If you consider yourself such a gifted forecaster, then what does that make me? 🙏
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#176 ·
Jonathan Adams85 said:and the last win was right here in Brazil back in 2004 (Montoya)

but something incredible happened to me yesterday😲

I have these Alonso posters in my room. On one, I've got Alonso and Fisico in the Renault, and on another, the Williams setup

and it's wild—when I walked into the room, the poster had peeled off. Only one corner was still held by tape, and it had flipped over to face the Williams side

What insane symbolism: eek:😲😲😲😲😲😲😲

Symbolism? More like an omen.

The epicenter of the earthquake was near Small Town, USA, the Spider, USA, and Small Town, USA.


They even misspelled it. 🤦

🤣
Jonathan Adams85 Jonathan Adams85 Member
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#177 ·
Edward Howard2 said:So what you're trying to say is... it's time for Alonso to jump ship to Williams and for us to start rooting for them? 😁

Hell no ☕ I'm saying Williams is actually going to build something massive here ☕
Chris Ortiz Chris Ortiz Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2010
#178 ·
Edward Howard2 said:Here is what a highly respectable gentleman and true connoisseur of Formula 1 wrote regarding the chances of Alonso and the rest of the field, explaining everything with such wonderful rationality... ☕

Edward Howard2 says:

This post was originally written two months ago, back on September 10th at 11:32 AM, right as the first practice session in Monza wrapped up—a session where Alonso finished eighth, trailing all those competitors ahead of him...

At that point, Alonso was sitting in fifth place in the championship, facing a massive 41-point deficit behind the then-leader, Lewis Hamilton (182 vs. 141).

And just look at what has unfolded since I made that post...
Alonso goes on to win three races and secures a podium finish elsewhere.
Meanwhile, Hamilton, who held the lead, completely squandered exactly 50 points compared to Alonso after getting caught up in chaos with Massa and Webber in Italy and Singapore. It seems he simply cracked under the pressure once he found himself leading the championship.
Red Bull hasn't officially designated Webber as their number one driver yet, which would have given him a very comfortable advantage by now.
Then there is Vettel, who continues to demonstrate that he is quite simply incapable of bringing an excellent car to a title.
As for Button, before the last race in Korea, he was neck-and-neck with Hamilton, trailing by a mere 3 points. Now, suddenly, over the course of two events (Korea plus the qualifying in Brazil), he has been desperately poor while his teammate shines. He clearly got too close to Hamilton in the standings, triggering red alerts within McLaren, and I suspect they aren't running the same car anymore. Button really should have called for some independent stewards in the garage, much like Alonso did back in 2007, to ensure they weren't messing with his car; McLaren is already notorious for those questionable tactics... though, perhaps Button shouldn't get quite as deeply involved in the technical side of the car as Alonso does, so I won't hold that against him.

I actually wrote an even earlier post where I was already placing Alonso among the top contenders for the title, but he was at a race then and I don't feel like hunting for it right now...
Most of the folks from the Red Bull and McLaren camps mocked these kinds of rational analyses, but that only serves to highlight how fragile individual knowledge can be and how much people overestimate their favorites... 🤣

You hit the nail right on the head.🙏🙏 🙏
Edward Howard2 Edward Howard2 Regular
379 messages
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#179 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Whoa, that was like two months ago. 🙏

🙄

If you’re some kind of genius predictor, then what does that make me? 🙏

😂

You're seriously comparing a post you made when Alonso was only down 15 points after just 8 races to my post from back when he was trailing by 41 and sitting in fifth place with only 4 races left. 😂

Seriously, give your ears a rest, "Mr. Predictor." 🤦
Edward Howard2 Edward Howard2 Regular
379 messages
joined Jan 2010
#180 ·
Chris Ortiz said:you nailed it🙏🙏🙏

it wasn't even a guess...

it’s just basic F1 knowledge mixed with some good old logic ☕

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