US Grand Prix 2010

Arthur Doyle70 said:Man, you absolutely roasted him :rofl :rofl :

Yeah, they went a bit extreme, I'll give you that. They could have just ordered him to park by the track and let a crane pick him up, but honestly, claiming a PP through pure deception is a bit much even for you. 😉

You know how it goes—old habits die hard. Maybe I'll try my luck one day too. 🤣🤣

God... it’s like trying to punish Christian Horner for playing dumb. Just let the guy do his job the best he can. 😂

Extreme? Don't make me laugh. 🙄

The rule is simple: you have to make it back to the pits within a certain timeframe, and you have to have at least one liter of fuel left in the car. ☕

That's the rule. What happened here was just bending the rules by exploiting a loophole—oh wait, "sorry, there was a communication breakdown, we didn't realize he was running out of gas." 🙄

Basically, they're using a clause meant for unforeseen circumstances to get away with something else.

Which pretty much translates to: the team lies and cheats. ☕
Because nobody is going to convince me they didn't know Lewis Hamilton was low on fuel for that final lap.

And yet, they're the first ones to go on the attack and accuse everyone else of making up nonsense. Honestly, they're gross. 🙂

Kudos to both Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button for their driving 👍, but McLaren is acting shady, and they need to be called out.

Mercedes completely fell short of expectations today, whereas Ferrari managed to deliver a really pleasant surprise. That being said, the hero of the day is undoubtedly Liuzzi; it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the Force India car is still perfectly suited for these high-speed tracks.

stormybadger8 said:It’s all getting a little extreme, honestly—let's just dial it back. 🙄

The rule is pretty straightforward: you have to make it back to the pits within a specific window, and you need to have at least one liter of fuel left in the tank when you pull in.

It’s just how they play the game—bending the rules until they snap. And then suddenly, there’s this convenient "miscommunication" within the team, and oh, look at that, they just didn't realize they were running out of fuel. 🙄

So, they basically just lean on that clause if something unexpected goes sideways.

It’s pretty obvious that the crew is just lying and cheating their way through.☕

They love to pick a fight and then turn around and act all high and mighty, accusing everyone else of making up the very lies they started themselves. Honestly, it’s just exhausting to watch. 🙂

Kudos to both Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button, but honestly, McLaren is being a complete joke lately and they really need to get their act together.

There was more than enough fuel left in the car for the FIA to pull whatever amount they needed and still have a few extra milliliters to spare.🤣
The only real issue here is how much time they’re going to waste limping back to the pits, which is exactly why they'll get slapped with a penalty and sent packing.☕
Honestly, this is actually pretty useful since they finally stumbled upon a loophole in the regulations—who knows how many times it’s been sitting there—so at least now they can actually fix it. They really ought to get a thank you note for that. 😬

It looks like Jean Todt is going to end up being a total fanboy for McM. 🤣🤣 I mean, I already said it—back when we were absolutely tearing them apart with that old Mosley nonsense, maybe it’s time we actually tried to de-escalate things for once.😂

Arthur Doyle70 said:There was plenty of fuel left in the car for the FIA to pull whatever amount they wanted, plus a few extra milliliters to spare.🤣
The only issue is the time they wasted getting back to the pits. They’re gonna get penalized for that, too. Goodbye.☕
Honestly, this is actually useful. They finally found a loophole in the rulebook—who knows how many times it's been sitting there—so at least now they can fix it. They probably deserve a thank you note for that one. 😬

So, Jean Todt is going to be a fan of McM. Great. 🤣🤣 I mean, I said we spent all that time terrorizing them with old man Mosley, so maybe it’s time we actually chill out for once.😂

Look, let’s stop pretending. He was running seriously low on fuel—way past just "not enough for an inspection." We're talking about a car that barely had enough juice to even limp back to the pits. There's zero chance he had enough left to make it to the box and still pass an inspection. Period.

So, they found a loophole in the rules again. Honestly, who knows how many times now the FIA has failed to penalize what actually deserves it, only to turn around and hand out punishments for totally harmless situations and absolute nonsense.

The rules are basically half-baked, and they let people bend them however they want. It’s a joke.

Michael Schumacher got hit with the exact same thing before—finding a loophole in the rules. It's all the same to me; he still gets penalized. 😉
Meanwhile, at that exact same race, Rubens Barrichello didn't get penalized for doing something just as stupid.

McLaren missed the mark this time around. Honestly, they'll probably end up penalizing someone just because the car is acting up, which is going to leave them stuck without being able to make it back to the pits after qualifying. Typical.

stormybadger8 said:The car was seriously short on fuel—don't try to spin it—it wasn't just a matter of not having enough for an inspection; there wasn't even enough juice to make it back to the pits, let alone pass a test.

They found a loophole, which honestly feels like just another Tuesday where the FIA fails to penalize the real offenders while breathing down everyone's necks over completely harmless technicalities.

Besides, the rulebook is full of holes that let people manipulate things whenever it suits them.

I remember when Michael Schumacher got slapped with a penalty for something almost identical because of a similar loophole, so they're just being inconsistent as usual.😉
While during that same race, Rubens Barrichello didn't get hit with anything even remotely significant.

It's not Hamilton or McLaren's fault this time, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up penalizing someone else who’s actually struggling with genuine car issues and can't physically reach the pits after qualifying.

Hamilton was asked by his engineer to pull to the side of the circuit so that enough fuel was left in his tank for a fuel sample to be taken.
If you really want proof, I can send you the links, but it seems like we're seeing yet another case where people are penalized solely
because they exceeded the time limit to reach the pits... and that's the whole story.

McLaren didn't write the rules; they were drafted by an incompetent organization led by that former Ferrari boss who took over from a complete maniac, so hey, they have their own leadership—feel free to send them an email if you want to complain.😉

stormybadger8 said:He was low on fuel—like, seriously low. Don't even try to spin it. The car needs enough juice just to make it back to the pits. That means he didn't just fail the inspection; he barely had enough to even reach the garage. There's no way he could've made it back for an inspection if he was already empty...

It’s pretty obvious they found a loophole. Honestly, who knows how many times now the FIA has failed to penalize the right things while handing out punishments for totally harmless stuff and complete nonsense...

And by the way, the rules are clearly lacking, which basically lets people manipulate them however they feel like...

Michael Schumacher got nailed for the exact same thing—finding a gap in the regulations—so he got punished regardless 😉
While during that same race, Rubens Barrichello didn't get penalized for some minor nonsense at all...

It’s not Lewis Hamilton or McLaren this time, but it’s super likely they’ll end up penalizing someone else soon who actually has legitimate car issues and genuinely can't make it to the pits after qualifying...

Man, when you start getting all defensive over McLaren, it’s honestly painful to read...🙄

..as if....like Vettel and Red Bull are paying your bills or something, so you gotta swear on your life for them...😁

Arthur Doyle70 said:Lewis Hamilton was asked by his engineer to pull to the side of the circuit so that enough fuel was left in his tank for a fuel sample to be taken.
I can send you the links if you want, but who knows? They got penalized strictly
for taking too long to get back to the pits... simple as that.

McLaren didn't write the rules; they were written by an incompetent organization led by that former Ferrari boss who took over from a literal Nazi maniac... so go ahead, they have their own management, feel free to email them and complain.😉

Yeah, no kidding. I know why they were penalized, you don't need to explain it to me.

Of course they drove back to the pits and didn't leave enough fuel. The penalty would've been draconian. Naturally, they told Lewis Hamilton to shut down the engine so there'd be enough fuel left for inspection. They aren't idiots; they wouldn't risk a penalty like that.

They got hit for that stupid timing issue, which is ridiculous. Either there's no rule saying a car has to make it back to the pits—instead of just sitting on track or being pushed along while everyone else heads to the pits—or the FIA is just being shady.

Why exactly is McLaren getting hammered this year? 🙄

They're basically picking on McLaren so they can get rid of Denis. Once Max handles him, the penalties will vanish and the officials will just start looking the other way entirely.

Give me one serious penalty MCM actually faced this season 🙂

You want a few shady moments? Here:

The F-duct
Team orders during the Hamilton-Button situation
Running qualifying sessions on fumes and then playing the "we didn't realize our fuel level" card to skirt the rules. 🙄

stormybadger8 said:McLaren gets hammered until Max finally deals with Denis; once that happens, the penalties vanish, and they'll probably just start looking the other way entirely.

name one penalty from this season for MCM 🙂

you want a few shady calls? here:

the F-duct
team orders during the Hamilton-Button situation
running qualifying on fumes and then playing the "we didn't realize our fuel levels" card to dodge the rules🙄

10000 bucks 😬

ruggedfox28 said:Honestly, reading you defend McLaren's "golden era" makes me physically ill.🙄

...as if Vettel and Red Bull are paying your mortgage or something. You'd swear on your life for them if it meant getting a paycheck.😁

🤣 I usually hate being right, but this time it's just obvious.😉

I am just completely fed up with this nonsense—playing by the rules when they feel like it, handing out massive penalties to some teams while slapping others with a measly $10,000 fine. And we're talking about teams with millions in the bank here.🙄

If this were a penalty for a tiny backmarker team, sure, whatever. But this? This is a joke.

They might as well not have penalized anyone at all, because this whole thing is just a circus.

I’m calling it now—that top three is basically a lock for qualifying 😍 I don't know about anyone else, though.
Honestly, I’m finally gonna sit my ass down and actually pay attention to this head-to-head race today, rooting for my own picks for once 👋 Might even jump back in here to live-post if I'm feeling it.

stormybadger8 said:That feels a bit extreme—don't overdo it 🙄

The rule states they have to make it back to the pits within a specific timeframe, and there needs to be at least one liter of fuel left in the car.☕

Come on, stop nitpicking. There isn't actually a strict rule about how quickly a driver has to return to the pits; there’s just a guideline that isn't mandatory.

Honestly, Sep is always complaining about everything—not that long ago, some drivers were tossing steering wheels onto the track and hitting other cars, and by those standards, you'd have to disqualify an entire team for ten years.

Arthur Doyle70 said:$10,000 😬 is nothing

The team gets punished way too hard 🤣

I mean, when was the last time McLaren actually caught a serious penalty? 🤷

That whole mess with Lewis Hamilton lying was the last thing I remember, and before that, the entire Hamilton-Alonso photocopy scandal.

When you look at the big picture, I’m pretty sure they’ve had the fewest penalties over the last two seasons.

Man... things used to be different back in the day 😲, but I guess journalists in this "modern" era have gotten bored, so now the tabloids just blast everyone with sixteen different headlines until people actually start having interesting debates 🤣

stormybadger8 said:the team is being unfairly targeted🤣

I can't even remember the last time McLaren actually caught heat for something serious🤷

it was that whole mess with Lewis Hamilton lying about things, and before that, the entire Hamilton-Alonso photocopy scandal.

When you look at the big picture, I'm pretty sure they’ve been one of the cleanest teams out there over the last two seasons.

So what does that even matter🤣 🤣, are we just going to crush them now just for the sake of the stats😂
, it's basically an OUT move—they used to do stuff like this back in the day, and I'm sure the FIA is just cooking up some new way to mess with them☕

redheron12 said:Cut the crap. There isn't actually a rule dictating exactly how fast a driver has to pit; it’s just a guideline that isn't even mandatory.

Good grief, Sep is losing his mind. Not that long ago, some guys were tossing steering wheels onto the track and under other cars—if we were being fair, the whole team should’ve been disqualified for ten years for that.

I’m with you on this one—Rubens should've definitely taken a massive penalty for that.

On the other hand, MSC got hit with a penalty—dammit, I’m sticking up for my grandpa. 😵Cheers to whoever interpreted the rules and managed to find that loophole.

Unbelievable. They aren't even getting penalized for the same thing now.

I don't see any reason to penalize Lewis Hamilton just for ripping off his steering wheel. If anyone deserves a fine, it’s the crew. They knowingly sent their driver out on track knowing they didn't have enough fuel to actually finish Qualifying properly.

Arthur Doyle70 said:So, what exactly are you getting at? 🤣🤣Alright, let's go out there and crush them just for the stats. 😂,
That’s already OUT. They used to do that all the time, McM. I guess the FIA is just cooking up something new to keep us on our toes.☕

Man, they used to hand out penalties for nonsense like that left and right. It was ridiculous. I'm with you on that one.

A few years ago, they would’ve slapped Hamilton with a pit lane start for this.

That's just how it is. But honestly? I’m not a fan of this whole "hand-holding" phase we're in right now. It feels pretty stupid to me. We used to get penalized for every little thing, and now it feels like everyone is just turning a blind eye to make up for old mistakes.

And what about the brainstorming?😬

Todt is clearly planning to strip McLaren of all their points and penalize both their drivers over that f-duct issue. Then he’ll probably go after Red Bull for their suspension, too. Honestly, it’s just a gift wrap for Ferrari to take the championship.😬

stormybadger8 said:I mean, back in the day they used to hand out penalties for stuff this minor constantly, so I can't say I disagree with you there.

A few years ago, an error like this would have easily landed Lewis Hamilton a penalty that forced him to start from the pit lane.

It's just how things are now, I guess, though I'm not a fan of this soft approach they're taking lately either; it feels pretty foolish to me, like we spent years punishing everyone for every little thing only to suddenly turn a blind eye now just to make up for old mistakes.

Jean Todt seems to be aiming to strip all the points away from McLaren and both their drivers because of the f-duct, and then they'll probably come after RB for their suspension too,leaving us with Ferrari as the champions by default.😬

So yeah, that's basically how it looks...👍

They should honestly just penalize all of them.🤣🤣

Arthur Doyle70 said:Yeah, pretty much that...👍

They all need to be punished 🤣🤣

Exactly, punish the first 22 🤣

Chandok champion 👋

Honestly, man, you’re just killing it with the productivity.
Take my hat off to you for hitting 9,000 posts. 🙏

I see how it is—it’s tough going up against the combined might of the McLaren crew. They're a force to be reckoned with.