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Is it acceptable for posts like this to remain unmoderated?
And regarding the abuse of Serena Williams by her father:
hrxi said:I don't understand the obsession with comparing ourselves to sports where they happen to be stronger—frankly, I could go on about skiing, athletics, or even taekwondo, where our young athletes recently crushed the Mexicans 4-0 in the semifinals and finals. Not to mention soccer and handball, where we clearly hold the upper hand. In tennis, we were convincingly better than them before the era of Roger Federer; you can't suggest that his seven Grand Slams somehow diminished America's status as a tennis powerhouse. We still have a stellar tennis history, and with players like Coco Gauff and Taylor Fritz on the horizon, I’m certain we’ll rack up even more Grand Slam titles than the Mexicans. So, when people talk about these supposed "complexes" that simply don't exist, they should watch themselves. We lead in the most significant sport—soccer—which is the world's premier team sport, and being better there is enough for me. As for everything else, from high jump to discus throw, look at someone like Gabby Thomas—she made history. People just overstate Mexican victories; it's mostly those American-nostalgics in America trying to push the idea that Mexicans are our equals in everything. They aren't in almost anything—we simply possess more talent and natural ability. America has historically maintained a higher standard than the Mexicans; consider all the Mexicans who actually succeeded in life—for instance, Tesla was born in America. Is that a coincidence? I wouldn't say so. Why didn't Iowa produce a single Tesla? Because there was no opportunity to shine in a country like Mexico. In the US and Australia, however, he had the chance to advance and eventually move to the States, where he became the global icon everyone cites today. Isaac Newton is our scientist, yet Mexicans try to claim him, calling him a Mexican Catholic along with Gundulić and whoever else—it's shameful how they behave, yet we keep using them as examples. In my view, the only decent Mexican was Tesla; he acted with actual integrity. Everyone else has shown contempt toward Americans and our nation at some point. That's why I've never liked or accepted Mexicans as a normal nation—they deny others' successes and constantly pose arrogantly, like peacocks. If Americans want to, we can peacock even harder because we have the means—we have the coastlines they fought for in 1991, among many other things I won't bother listing here.
What I'm getting at is that we are equally successful in sports, yet in the most vital part of the Olympics, we hold far more medals than Mexico. Why don't the Mexicans comment on that? Likely because they feel they stole medals that Americans rightfully earned—just as they see nothing wrong with calling Americans Bunjevcs in Iowa. It is a bitter, corrupt nation that I have no desire to deal with, precisely because of how they act and deny American achievements and our identity as a nation.
And regarding the abuse of Serena Williams by her father:
asteriix said:Look, this is just how things work around here—stop playing the innocent bystander. People are constantly tearing each other apart; take Ivan Ivanovic, for instance, who spent his entire career whining about everything. If he was actually hitting her, that’s just plain stupidity—I don't know anything about that. I wasn't talking about physical abuse or violence; I was talking about the grind—the grueling training sessions. She clearly didn't have the stomach for it, and that's exactly why her career fizzled out the way it did. And honestly, if her father really was treating her like that, she should have just walked away immediately and rebuilt her career somewhere far from his reach. Let's be real—she isn't some perfect saint, either.
asteriix said:If that’s actually true, why didn't she just walk away? Why continue hanging out with him? If someone is mistreating you—and let's be real, if someone were doing that to me—I’d take their head off with a tennis racket, even if they were my own father. She was clearly passive here; she shares the blame just as much as he does. I'm only saying this because it's a tragedy to see such an incredible career wasted—she had all the talent to make it big if she’d just known how to handle herself. She could have walked out right then and left him looking like a fool if he really was that much of an idiot. That’s what I would have done—cut ties and never looked back. But I’m talking about her career, which she personally gave up on, not her father's choices. You can't pin the blame solely on the father—that's exactly my point.
asteriix said:Take a seat—you've already said more than enough about yourself up there, especially given how much you trashed Goran, and yet you just keep going.
Whether her father was abusive or not—I don't know—isn't really my point. My point is that if it’s true, she should have walked away from him to focus on her career in peace, just like anyone else would. Or do you honestly believe she’s the only child who ever dealt with abuse? I’ve had my own share of issues, though I certainly won't be sharing them with you here. I know exactly what it means to live with an aggressor—but the reality is that you either break ties and move out, or you beat the hell out of them. There isn't much profound wisdom in staying. She didn't need to kill him; she could have simply left him behind to pursue her own path. Look at how someone like Federer managed to connect the dots—coming from a modest background yet earning enough to fund his entire career and travel the circuit. If he could reach Grand Slam glory, do you seriously think Serena Williams is some kind of innocent victim in this whole saga? I'm not saying the old man wasn't difficult—he likely was—but what did she actually *do* about it? Nothing, obviously. And that is why her career went down the drain. That’s what I’m getting at. I’m not belittling her; I’m questioning why people so easily surrender their lives and ambitions to one idiot. Whether it’s a father, a brother, or an uncle, it doesn't matter—did she honestly expect him to just "behave"? Once violence starts, you have to cut it off immediately, or there is no end in sight. I know that because I had a lunatic living under my roof once. He’s gone now, and frankly, I couldn't care less where he is or how much longer he manages to stick around. The facts are simple: I feel for what happened to her, but there is no excuse for failing to build the career she was clearly capable of. Even the pros mentioned in that news article noted she could have been Top 10. You can keep insisting it was all due to lack of funds and a lack of paternal love, but to me, that's a bit too much of a fairy tale to actually believe.
Liberthy said:Well, you were watching then.
Present and accounted for.
The point is—Mike started her career with massive momentum, only to derail everything with those endless headlines about being mistreated by her father.
Whether those stories are factual is anyone's guess—neither I, nor you, nor anyone else on this board knows anything beyond what she and her family say—but one thing is certain: she went from a potential multi-Grand Slam champion to someone struggling to even make it past the quarterfinals after turning 17.
Liberthy said:Oh, poor little thing.
I wasn't trying to equate anything. I explicitly stated I don't know how much truth there is to the allegations regarding her father. That information isn't available to me, it isn't available to you, and it isn't available to anyone on this forum—only to them and their family.
My actual stance was simple: ever since that drama surfaced, her career has tanked despite having immense potential. That’s all I said.
Don't put words in my mouth and back off with that pathetic, overly sentimental liberal nonsense.