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Stander (2003)

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briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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When a director who was almost totally unknown—Bronwen Hughes, whose biggest claim to fame was a rom-com with Sandra Bullock—walks right into a male-dominated genre and delivers a film that Michael Mann probably should’ve watched at least twice before he made Dillinger, and holds her own against someone like Kathryn Bigelow in terms of sheer quality... well, then I have to present this title as its own thing if you haven't seen it yet. To put it simply, it’s been a while since a movie really gripped me, pulled me into the plot, kept me up half the night Googling real-life events and people, and just left me floored. Basically... this one hits all those marks.

After Michael Mann delivered a decent flop—and I mean a total flop—with Dillinger (I usually love movies with that kind of vibe), I stumbled onto a film with a strikingly similar premise by pure accident. Stander tells the story of Andreo Stander, a young police captain in the South African police force who, after being involved in the bloody crackdown of an anti-apartheid uprising in New York City, decides to start robbing banks out of sheer spite—driven by his belief that the justice system is fundamentally racist and that white guys can basically get away with anything (he was pretty well known for those anti-racist views)... and then he starts coming back to the "crime scene" as an investigator. After pulling off about thirty successful heists, his own people finally manage to trap him, sentencing him to 75 years in prison (which is overkill even by today's standards), only for him to pull off a successful escape a few months later. Doubling down on his criminal streak, Stander quickly becomes Public Enemy Number One, winning over the hearts of regular folks while putting massive pressure on police departments nationwide to just take him out via summary execution because the rest of the world is starting to laugh at their pathetic attempts to bring one guy to justice. The story reaches its conclusion, but I won't spoil too much... just watch it.

There are a few things that make this movie interesting. The film is broken into segments: the first part is almost entirely about Stander's palpable frustration with the things he witnesses as a cop and his slow slide toward the criminal side; the middle section is packed with intensity from the bank robberies, the escapes, and the massive ego of the leads; and the finale slowly drifts into that familiar territory where nothing good lasts forever. But the transitions are incredibly smooth—before you even realize you've shifted moods, you're still being carried along by the emotions of the previous segment. The acting is fascinating, especially Thomas Jane, who seems to be proving with roles like this that he should probably stay away from big-budget productions (like The Punisher or Deep Blue Sea) like a vampire avoids a church... but the support from Deborah Kar Unger isn't bad either. It's precisely directed, with a period setting (the 70s and early 80s) that feels so tangible it's almost a miracle the film is buried under such a thick layer of being underrated. And honestly, it's one of those rare films based on true events that actually gets about 97 percent of it right. There are some cosmetic tweaks in the final act (the actual event itself is shortened by a day or two), but nothing more than that. Almost unbelievable.

If you're into solid crime dramas, decent action sequences, top-tier acting, and a backdrop that tackles controversial issues... well, here's my recommendation.
northernmoose26 northernmoose26 Newcomer
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#2 ·
I’ll definitely give it a shot. Honestly, I’ve been skipping over it for ages because every time I see the cover art, it looks like some low-budget trash you'd find in a bargain bin at a CVS. But hey, since you’re vouching for it, I'll finally bite.
briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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#3 ·
The poster feels a bit "B-movie" in its vibe 😁

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This one looks a little better, though. Honestly, the budget was sitting around ten million bucks, and it pulled in about 30. Given how much it flew under the radar... you could kind of call it a hit...
Dennis Doyle3 Dennis Doyle3 Active Member
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#4 ·
It’s a solid movie. I remember back in the day, it used to pop up on FOX about three or four times a year.
John Taylor19 John Taylor19 Member
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#5 ·
Honestly, this movie is a solid 10. I’ve spent years actively avoiding it, but I finally stumbled upon it by pure chance the other day, and man, was I wrong to skip it.👍
northernmoose26 northernmoose26 Newcomer
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John Taylor19 said:Honestly, this movie is a solid 10/10. I’ve spent years actively dodging it like it was some kind of plague, but I finally stumbled upon it by total accident the other day, and man... I am so glad I did.👍

I just finished watching it. Honestly, it’s a solid story, but I have this weird thing about foreign films—I just can't seem to connect with them on the same level as an American production. There's just something about that domestic cinematic feel that hits differently for me. Rating? I'll have to think on it. 7/10.
graniteheron132 graniteheron132 Active Member
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northernmoose26 said:I checked it out. It’s a solid story, but I’ve just never been able to get into foreign films. For some reason, I can't connect with them the same way I do with American movies. I'd give it a 7/10.

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A good movie is a good movie, period...

Stander 👍

Man, I saw this ages ago back when I was working at a local video rental shop, and it definitely stuck with me as an awesome flick🙂
swiftcrane96 swiftcrane96 Active Member
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#8 ·
I checked this out as soon as I saw the thread. It was actually a pretty good watch for me, especially since I just finished watching The Baader-Meinhof Group, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765432/ . I suppose I just tend to gravitate toward non-American films more often than not.
Raymond Palmer8 Raymond Palmer8 Active Member
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#9 ·
Caught that flick last night and... man, what can I say? It was awesome. Thanks for the heads up!
briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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#10 ·
Raymond Palmer8 said:thanks for the recommendation.

No worries. Glad there are still people out there who actually enjoyed the flick...
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
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#11 ·
That was a really fantastic recommendation, briskhound2. I truly appreciated you sharing it. 😁

Though, if I’m being perfectly honest, I wouldn't personally classify this particular film as a crime drama.
briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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Lisa Morgan76 said:Really solid movie—thanks for the heads up, briskhound2. 😁

Though, personally, I wouldn't even label this one a crime flick...

Another happy customer 🙂 No worries at all. Why wouldn't you call it a crime movie though? You think it leans more toward drama?
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
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briskhound2 said:Just another satisfied customer 🙂 You're very welcome. But why categorize it as a crime thriller? Do you feel it leans more toward being a drama?

Personally, I would say yes. The criminal career of the protagonist—and indeed the entire plot surrounding it—is essentially just a reaction of his specific character to the social circumstances of the time. I realize that might sound like I'm describing some heavy-handed, somber drama, which isn't quite the case; the screenwriter and director handled the material beautifully, ensuring we have a great time while still giving us something profound to ponder. The character himself is quite entertaining (if we didn't know this film was based on a true story, many of us might even argue that the lead wasn't particularly realistic).
Furthermore, the heists and the wild antics carried out by Stander and his crew aren't presented in the way you'd see in a classic crime flick. There isn't an exhaustive focus on the minute details of the planning and execution; instead, we mostly witness the bold, gutsy behavior of these characters when they find themselves in certain situations. I hope I've managed to express that clearly. 🙂
briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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Lisa Morgan76 said:Personally, I think so. The lead character's criminal career—and the whole plot surrounding it—is basically just his reaction to the world around him. It sounds like some heavy-handed drama, which it isn't, because the writer and director handled it so well that you actually have fun while still having something to chew on... The guy himself is just entertaining (if we didn't know this was based on a true story, half of us would probably say he wasn't even a realistic character)
And all those heists and wild moves by Stander and his crew aren't even framed like a standard crime flick. You don't get this massive, granular breakdown of the planning and execution; instead, we mostly just see how gutsy these characters act in the moment. Not sure if I'm making sense there... 🙂

Crystal clear 🙂 I was actually just reading up on Stander and you hit the nail on the head—the guy never really sat down to plan his scores. He’d just burst into a bank and wrap the whole thing up in seconds, never dragging his feet or getting greedy trying to maximize the haul. The dramatic beats are paced perfectly, too. Honestly, it’s been a while since I’ve seen something that illustrates someone's motives so vividly while still leaving enough gray areas for the audience to draw their own conclusions... One of the standout moments for me has to be that first breakdown, where he’s just dancing around the room with his headphones on. It captures his frustration so clearly, and there's something almost hauntingly real about it. Just a side note—they never hit the same bank twice in one day (which the movie shows), but it’s a clever way to highlight how totally unprepared the local authorities were for an educated white guy suddenly turning to crime...

It's a shame the director hasn't tackled more projects with this kind of vibe; she really made the most of the material they gave her.
Matthew Peterson5 Matthew Peterson5 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Just finished watching it—really solid film. Thanks for the killer recommendation.
briskhound2 briskhound2 RegularOP
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#16 ·
Matthew Peterson5 said:Just finished watching it—absolutely killer movie. Thanks for the solid recommendation...

No problem. Catch you on the flip side 🙂

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