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Drug promotion on the "Alternative" subforum

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Participants Sean Perez21boldjackal10Jose BarrettMark Gomez9steelskipper5hollowtinker18Carol Baker6Laura BishopKenneth Peterson5slyfox49cosmicskipper39Brian Edwards6placidmarlin3restlessnomad16
Sean Perez21 Sean Perez21 MemberOP
38 messages
joined Oct 2009
#1 ·
LSD

What’s the official stance on a thread that basically encourages and promotes drug use? ☕

The exact same topic has been sitting right here for an entire week now...☕
boldjackal10 boldjackal10 Member
39 messages
joined Dec 2009
#2 ·
Do you honestly think someone’s gonna see an LSD thread and suddenly decide to go out and do it just because they stumbled upon this post?
Sean Perez21 Sean Perez21 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2009
#3 ·
boldjackal10 said:Do you honestly believe that someone is going to go out and actually take LSD just because they happened to stumble upon a thread about it?

By that logic, I could start a thread titled "Hitler: The Misunderstood Genius" or "Hitler: A Man Ahead of His Time" and ask if anyone truly believes people would start hating or attacking Jewish Americans simply because they read such a post...☕

The core issue here is consistency. If individual users are being slapped with warnings for minor infractions, then when things really escalate, it stands to reason that threads which directly violate not just the subforum rules or the site guidelines, but actual federal law, should be shut down immediately...☕
boldjackal10 boldjackal10 Member
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joined Dec 2009
#4 ·
Sean Perez21 said:So then I could just start a thread titled "Hitler, the misunderstood genius" or maybe "Hitler: A man ahead of his time," and ask you if you actually think someone would go out and attack Jewish people just because they saw a post like that...☕

I don't think anyone's actually stopping you from starting a thread like this. Personally, I wouldn't even bother participating—that's the best way to show that this kind of topic isn't my vibe and I couldn't care less about it.

Sean Perez21 said:Look, here's the deal: if certain users on Reddit get banned over nothing, then it’s only fair that when a thread pops up where people are straight-up breaking the site rules—and even federal law—it gets shut down immediately.☕

If we’re playing by those rules, then why aren't we banning movies that show drugs too? Seriously. Look, man, I started this thread just to get people talking. If someone’s actually gonna go out and pop a baggie just because they saw a movie, that’s on them. It's not my problem.
Honestly, if someone’s already itching for a trip before they even start a thread, they might as well go get the facts straight. It’s better to ask than to mess up. It’s like those needle exchange programs—it's just about harm reduction.
Jose Barrett Jose Barrett Member
48 messages
joined Jun 2009
#5 ·
boldjackal10 said:Do you honestly believe someone is going to see an LSD thread and decide to try it just because they stumbled upon that specific discussion?

Oh, absolutely.

Because of that old marijuana thread, I started smoking weed, and tomorrow I’m heading to my lawyer to sue Reddit because that one topic sent me down a rabbit hole from weed to coke to heroin.
Mark Gomez9 Mark Gomez9 Newcomer
5 messages
joined May 2009
#6 ·
boldjackal10 said:I don't believe anyone is stopping you from starting a thread like this. Personally, I wouldn't participate, which would be my way of showing that such a topic doesn't suit me or interest me at all.

By that logic, should we also pass laws banning movies that depict drug use? It shouldn't matter to you whether someone opens a discussion; people can debate whether watching a certain topic will actually tempt someone to go out and buy a baggie, or you can just stay out of it.
In my view, if someone is looking to get high, they likely already had that desire before even opening the thread. It’s much better to be informed because things can go sideways very quickly, so why not ask questions? It’s essentially the same principle as harm reduction programs where needle exchanges provide clean supplies. It's about minimizing potential damage.

He clearly took his "information" from some lunatics who insist that drugs are nothing more than pure entertainment. Of course, he even included his own personal instructions for guaranteed success: take a quarter dose, lie down in nature and enjoy life—🤣just don't do it too often.
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#7 ·
While you guys are all busy arguing here, I went ahead and reported this thread to the police for promoting drug use.
The author of these instructions—and hopefully the person who started this whole mess—can probably expect a knock on the door. At least, I hope so. ☕
hollowtinker18 hollowtinker18 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#8 ·
So, what’s my deal for opening threads like this?... Not long ago, there was that whole thing on the "spirituality" PDF, and people lost their minds. It turned into these ridiculous little cliques—consumers, dealers, critics—everyone threatening everyone else until the whole thing just got locked up.🙄
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2010
#9 ·
hollowtinker18 said:Look, what’s the point of me even starting these threads?..., seriously. Just recently there was that whole thing about spirituality on Reddit—it turned into such a massive mess. Everyone started picking sides like they were in some tribal war—consumers vs. dealers vs. haters—and people were threatening each other left and right until the whole thread got nuked.🙄

So yeah, I guess we'll just wait and see how this plays out. Until someone actually learns their lesson, anyway.
Carol Baker6 Carol Baker6 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#10 ·
steelskipper5 said:While you guys are all busy arguing here, I went ahead and reported this thread to the cops for promoting drug use.
The person who wrote the guide—and hopefully the guy who started this whole mess—should probably expect a phone call from the authorities. At least. ☕

Honestly, if I were the cop assigned to cases like this, I think you’re the only one I’d actually bother calling in for questioning.

I’ve spent most of my time reading your posts with a heavy dose of skepticism, but now I’m just genuinely baffled.😕

I mean, maybe the next logical step in this madness would be to hold public book burnings for Huxley, Castaneda, and a whole bunch of other authors since they aren't around anymore to be thrown in a cell. And what about the directors, actors, writers, producers, singers, scientists...?
Laura Bishop Laura Bishop Member
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joined Sep 2010
#11 ·
Harold Morales said:I’ve mostly just scrolled past your posts with a smirk until now, but man, you’ve actually got me stumped 😕

Honestly, I think steelskipper5 is playing it a bit too smart. Whatever.

Look, you gotta take everything on Reddit as a total joke unless someone proves otherwise.

You're tripping. 🙄
Just scrub & found from your location info.
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2010
#12 ·
Harold Morales said:If I were the cop in charge of cases like this, I think you’re the only one I’d actually bother bringing in for questioning.

And on what grounds, exactly?
I've mostly just skimmed through your posts before, but now I am genuinely baffled.😕

Maybe the next logical step—since we can't exactly throw dead authors in jail or lock them up—is to call for some public book burnings for Huxley, Castaneda, and all those other similar types. What about directors, actors, writers, producers, singers, scientists... should we go after them too?

What's the actual issue here?
In that other thread, laws are actually being broken (if you ask my amateur opinion) because people are basically giving instructions on how to use drugs.
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#13 ·
Laura Bishop said:I think steelskipper5 is being a bit smart-aleck. Whatever.

Look, on Reddit, you should probably just take every single post as a joke until proven otherwise.

You're clueless. 🙄
Delete this & found from your location info.

In this specific case, I think you've got it wrong.
Honestly, I'm just getting fed up with the illegality being tolerated around here—like, they used to tolerate hate speech, and I kept delaying my reports because an admin promised me an explanation that never actually happened—so now I've decided to just report whatever I run into.

I've been on this site for nearly ten years; I've gotten used to this place somehow and I don't really feel like migrating to some other online community, but certain things are seriously crossing the line of what's acceptable. So, when the forum higher-ups won't listen to the users, they can go ahead and explain to everyone else why they're tolerating what they're tolerating.
Laura Bishop Laura Bishop Member
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joined Sep 2010
#14 ·
Haha. And here I was thinking you were actually being smart for once.
My bad—screw me.

Anyway, it’s cool though. Seriously, props to you for staying active and actually putting in the work.
Most people see hate speech or whatever online and they're just too damn lazy to even bother replying, let alone doing anything meaningful (me included, honestly). If it weren't for those slackers, the world would be way worse than it already is—real change only happens because people actually step up. It's been like that throughout history, too. These lazy types just coast along on the efforts of others, thinking, "Eh, someone else will deal with it..."

Total tangent, I know! I didn't even click on the actual thread I meant to, so I'm gonna bounce. 👋
Carol Baker6 Carol Baker6 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#15 ·
Laura Bishop said:I feel like steelskipper5 is getting a little too full of himself. I don't know. Maybe it's just me.

Honestly, it’s just the same thing over and over again. They keep repeating themselves without even a tiny hint of sarcasm or a bit of actual humor to break it up. It gets old fast.
Laura Bishop said:Honestly, I feel like you have to treat every single post on Reddit as one big joke until someone actually proves otherwise. It’s just safer that way, I guess.

I'm just... I don't even know. Honestly, I'm pretty confused right now. 🙄
Delete this. I guess I finally stumbled upon it. Found it. From my location.

Look, I don't even know where to start with this one. Just... wow. Total nonsense.😍

Honestly, you should probably be locked up for being so incredibly reckless with how you invite people to things and make public promises like that. It’s just irresponsible. I mean, if we follow your logic, what's next? Some Congressman stands up on the House floor and claims women are only good for one thing, or some judge decides that a handshake is basically the same thing as sexual assault? Because if people start having involuntary spasms from all that physical trauma, they aren't going to be able to get any actual work done. People have jobs to do, you know—they can't just spend their whole day twitching and convulsing because of the nonsense being thrown around.😁

steelskipper5 said:Based on what, exactly?

What's even the big deal? I mean, seriously, what's the actual issue here?
I mean, if you ask me—and I’m definitely no legal expert here—that thread is actually breaking the law. It feels like they're basically handing out tutorials on how to use drugs, which I'm pretty sure isn't exactly legal under federal law.

Look, I’m just saying this, but there’s a fine line between being a nuisance and actually messing with the cops, and lately, people seem to be crossing it way too often. It’s getting ridiculous. You see these videos popping up online all the time where people think they’re being some kind of hero by standing right in a cop's face during an arrest or trying to block their path, and honestly? It’s just asking for trouble. I mean, I get it—people have opinions on policing, and rightfully so. We live in a country where accountability matters. But there’s a massive difference between filming an interaction from a safe distance—which is totally legal, by the way—and physically interfering with an officer who is clearly trying to do their job. If you start obstructing a scene, you aren't "protecting rights," you're just creating a safety hazard for everyone involved, including yourself. Maybe I'm being too cynical, or maybe I've just seen too many people catch a charge because they thought they were invincible. But at the end of the day, if you interfere with a lawful investigation or prevent an officer from performing their duties, you're going to end up in handcuffs. It's basic stuff. I guess it's just frustrating to watch people throw their lives away over a moment of misplaced bravado. Just stay back, keep your distance, and let things play out. It's not that complicated.
I mean, that’s not really how I saw it. The guy was just sharing his own subjective take while trying to flag a few different risks, but honestly, that's not even the main point here.

steelskipper5 said:I mean, I think you're actually looking at this all wrong.
I’m honestly getting pretty fed up with all the rule-breaking that just gets swept under the rug on this subreddit. It’s frustrating, really. Like, they let hate speech slide right past them, and I kept putting off reporting it because an admin promised me they’d look into it—and then, of course, nothing ever happened. So, I guess I've decided I'm done waiting around. From now on, if I run into anyone breaking the rules, I'm hitting that report button immediately.

I’ve been hanging around Reddit for almost ten years now. I guess I’ve just gotten used to the vibe here, and honestly, I don't really have the energy to go hunting for some other online community to call home. But man, some things are seriously starting to cross the line. It’s getting hard to stomach. When the higher-ups refuse to actually listen to the users, they shouldn't be acting like we don't matter—they need to step up and explain why they're choosing to tolerate this kind of nonsense.

Regarding this whole mess—specifically regarding Reddit—I could probably go on forever about why I feel this way. Look, I totally get why you're frustrated, but I don't think that's really hitting the nail on the head here.

The real point is what I’ve always said about books, movies, or music that hit the mainstream. Even if they weren't being mass-marketed, my stance wouldn't change much. I mean, I am more than willing to defend the right to access information, have debates, and share experiences about pretty much anything... as long as things don't spiral completely out of control.

I think we can both agree that drawing a hard line in the sand is tough, which is probably why you and I see the limit differently. For instance, I was honestly pretty disturbed recently when someone on a different sub posted asking for the specific names of date-rape drugs and how to actually use them. Nobody even touched that topic, even though I know some users were complaining behind the scenes.

But anyway, back to the main reason I even bothered to reply to you: it actually surprised me that you think filing a report is going to achieve anything when the exact same stuff—or even worse—is allowed everywhere in the media, from the books I mentioned earlier to basically everything else.

And just to be clear, even though I used to be pretty interested in LSD, I have never once tried it myself, nor have I ever encouraged anyone else to use it.
Kenneth Peterson5 Kenneth Peterson5 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#16 ·
So Harold Morales told me I was being witty and smart, so here’s a comment pulled from a controversial thread, handpicked just for you:

LJUBAWOLJA said:With every new dose, my experience and insight grow; my confidence, security, and peace increase; and everything starts to flow smoothly, spontaneously, and simply. There's an intense feeling of love present.

As you can see, user LJUBAWOLJA is also incredibly witty and sharp, because they used that statement—wrapped in a (clearly brilliant) layer of sarcasm—to explain how LSD works and why you should take it more often.

By the way, that’s called drug promotion, which is totally illegal.

For instance, if LJUBAWOLJA had been slightly less clever—if they had presented their point even half as subtly—they might have written:
"Every time I took it, my experiences and insights grew; my confidence, security, and peace increased; and everything started to flow smoothly, spontaneously, and simply. I felt this intense sense of love." (Well, then it wouldn't be "promotion," just sharing a personal experience, which isn't illegal to mention... unless the Reddit moral police decide to jump in 😁);
But if they had said it that way, the first thing we—the resident moralists—would ask is, "Man, how many times have you actually tripped to make such bold claims?" And that would lead straight to labeling them a junkie or maybe even a dealer, which wouldn't be great for them (or maybe it would, who knows?), and it definitely wouldn't be great for us, the moralists, because our precious "moral high ground"—our little "elite" status—would grant us a massive amount of judgmental points, and then we'd all be stuck in a mess of misery and drama.
Everything was calculated by LJUBAWOLJA, who, being as brilliant as they are, knew exactly what they were doing and outsmarted us all with pure wit.

So, dear Harold Morales, as you can see, this whole thing has layers, making it a fascinating read that shouldn't be dismissed or deleted regardless of US laws—because honestly, what are US laws compared to witty users and the self-appointed moral authorities of the internet?

(@Nex, look, my word doesn't mean much since I'm a total hypocrite. I mean, everyone knows hypocrites lie. Harold Morales, don't even read the stuff in the parentheses 😁)
Carol Baker6 Carol Baker6 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#17 ·
Look, Kate Fisher73, you're smart and you've got a great sense of humor, but if we’re strictly talking about legal boundaries here, then my argument regarding books, movies, music, and all that stuff is more than enough—unless for some reason I don't quite grasp, you think this place needs to be under strict censorship.

I also honestly feel like any average lawyer smarter or even dumber statement could be treated as being exactly the same; it's just two different ways of saying the same thing, or just freer, different ways of expressing oneself. And God forbid they try to accuse you of taking things out of context, because it's pretty obvious the guy is just talking about his own experience, not implying that everyone else is going to have the exact same thing happen to them, which he already made clear.
Kenneth Peterson5 Kenneth Peterson5 Active Member
124 messages
joined Nov 2007
#18 ·
Harold Morales, are you seriously telling me you love ExxonMobil as much as I do? 😁 (rhetorical question, obviously)

Just look at this: a> (mostly check out line 7);
See, when it comes to books and all that other junk, that falls under art—and art doesn't play by the same rules, just like artists themselves can be totally unpredictable. 😁 (I’m not even gonna bother explaining that further, mostly because you called me "dear Kate Fisher73," so I already know exactly how you process things 😍)

(And yeah, if you’re actually planning on replying to this, just know I’m completely out of arguments. Even if I did find one, the idiot in my brain would probably twist it into something ridiculous just so you could laugh at me—and honestly, I’d be pretty miserable about it, so let's just say goodbye until a better time comes along. What a mess. 😢)
Carol Baker6 Carol Baker6 Member
24 messages
joined Mar 2009
#19 ·
😕
I honestly don't even get why you're being so aggressive right now, so I'm just gonna bail on this argument, sorry.

Anyway, look, I don't know what your deal is with Nexa, and there’s really no reason for me to be anything but cool with her—especially since you're acting so incredibly simp-ish about it.
slyfox49 slyfox49 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Oct 2008
#20 ·
steelskipper5, you "protector" type didn't say a single word when people were making physical threats on this board. You weren't even around when users' private info was being leaked.
Where were you hiding?
And as for enky—I'm honestly glad she finally started working through her issues elsewhere, but it's not just one kid she's dealing with, it feels like she's got a whole daycare center running!

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