Support resources for families dealing with cancer and other serious illnesses

slyseal28 said:You definitely misunderstood my point. The issue with alternative medicine is that the ingredients aren't fully researched. Someone battling cancer shouldn't just ingest random herbs and concoctions without consulting a doctor first. As for your comment—"I'd rather wait for death surrounded by family than try alternative routes"—sometimes that really is the better choice. It's better than poisoning someone and causing more pain and suffering than the disease itself.

We will hear the story about Jovo soon enough. I will make sure we track him down. If Drew Allen were a celebrity, he would probably handle the introduction himself.

But regardless, we will get it done.

Oh, so chemotherapy is just some magical milk flowing through your veins?

I have no desire to be a celebrity. I’ve already stated that old man Jovo has documentation that I wish someone would actually verify to see if it's legitimate or a forgery. Who says I believe him? That’s why I said "it would be good if someone investigated this." I am not qualified to review medical records to determine if they are originals or fakes. Like most people here, I am a layman. To me, papers and theories don't mean much; all that matters is the spoken word and seeing people who have actually recovered. That's the bottom line.

Drew Allen said:I sent Angela Wright a well-intentioned message a few months back, and she never bothered to reply. No matter how much she might dislike me, she could have at least responded so we could clear the air. Instead, she just keeps bombarding me, and I suspect she’s probably begging the admins to scrub my posts (I can't prove it, but it's my best guess). What kind of respect did she show me? Absolutely none. So why on earth should I respect her? I don't see any reason to.
Go ahead and get mad at me, hold whatever grudge you want, but I don't wish ill on any of you—NOT EVER! I'm just trying to reach the goal we're all searching for here. If my posts bother anyone else (besides just Angela Wright), feel free to speak up, and I'll stop writing. If it helps any of you, I'll do it.

Honestly, your "well-intentioned" little message gave me an instant stomach ache.🙄 I think we are operating on such vastly different levels that healthy communication is impossible, which is why I didn't dignify that infantile message of yours with a response, and I certainly don't see why you're forcing this issue.🤷

Drew Allen said:Oh, so chemotherapy is just some medicine and milk flowing through your veins?

Look, I'm not trying to be anyone's hero or a big shot. Like I already said, old man Jova has documentation that I really wish someone would go out and verify to see if it's legitimate or a total forgery! Who says I actually trust him? That's exactly why I suggested "it would be good if someone investigated this." As for going to him myself, I'm not qualified enough to look over medical records and determine if they're fakes or originals. Like most people here, I'm just a layman. At the end of the day, papers and theories don't mean a thing compared to the spoken word and people who have actually recovered. Period.

Go check it yourself before you start blathering about it, and until then, please leave us alone with your rhetoric and demagoguery.😳☕

Top-tier culture right here! Honestly, people always tell me I need to "calm my passions." 🙏
If you're dealing with diarrhea, I’d highly recommend trying a blend of local herbal teas—they work wonders for getting things moving. you the very best with your recovery. 😁Here's hoping you get back to "normal stools" soon.

I’m reading through everything and I honestly can’t believe it—though, I suppose I don't really want to get myself worked up enough to start quoting people and getting into arguments... 🙄

Anyway, dear friends, how is everyone doing?
I hope you're all holding up okay.
How are the treatments progressing for you and your loved ones?

Kind regards to everyone! Hang in there!! 👍

Drew Allen said:Talk about class! Unbelievable... then people have the nerve to tell me to "calm my passions." 🙏
If you're looking to fix that diarrhea, I’d most highly recommend a blend of homemade tea that actually works wonders for clearing things out. Wishing you nothing but the best in getting your gut back on track. 😁 Here's hoping for some "normal stools" very soon.

🙄🙄🙄

Why would anyone bother treating a symptom with herbs when you could permanently solve the problem by eliminating the actual cause? 😉...You've been politely asked to stop the provocations, and since you're clearly so "civilized and well-intentioned," I’m certain you’ll honor that spirit, right? 👍
If you won't, I'm sure the moderators will step in instead.😳

Drew Allen said:Oh, so chemotherapy is just some magical milk flowing through your veins?

I’m not trying to be anyone’s hero here. I’ve already made my point: this old man Jova has documentation that I honestly wish someone would step up and verify—to see if it’s legitimate or just a complete fabrication. Who said I actually believe him? That’s exactly why I said "it would be good for someone to investigate this." Personally, I don’t have the credentials to look at medical records and determine if they're forged or authentic. Like most people on this forum, I’m an amateur. At the end of the day, papers and theories don't mean a damn thing to me; all that matters is the spoken word and people who actually get better. That's the bottom line.

Nobody here claimed chemotherapy was milk. But it is administered under strict medical supervision, which is a far cry from herbs and home remedies. Cancer patients aren't turning to cytostatics because they've lost their minds or have nothing better to do.

The issue with everyone advocating for alternative medicine is that you always retreat behind the excuse of not being "competent enough" to review the actual documentation. You dodge the question whenever evidence is requested. That is precisely the problem. Alternative medicine tends to hide the truth about recovery. Conventional medicine, on the other hand, is more than happy to show us cases of people who have recovered or at least extended their lives. That’s where I find hope, and that’s why we fight to get access to these treatments.

Since my husband isn't doing very well right now, I need a little time to dig into this story about your herbalist. But, I promise both myself and everyone else fighting similar battles that I will do it. If it turns out everything you’re saying is true, I’ll be the first to admit it publicly.

But if it turns out this guy is just a con artist, then you'll be the one answering for spreading lies and unverified information.

Angela Wright said:🙄🙄🙄

Why would you try to treat a symptom with herbs when you could permanently solve the problem by eliminating the cause itself? 😉... You have been politely asked to stop provoking others. Since you claim to be "polite and well-intentioned," I am certain you will honor that request, won't you? 👍
If you don't, I suspect the moderators will step in on your behalf. 😳

The herbal remedies come from the Dr. Josif Pančić Institute. They hold all the necessary certifications, degrees, and accolades. These methods are effective, reliable, and safe—which is exactly what you are looking for. 🙂

Drew Allen said:This cannabis comes straight from the Dr. Josif Pančić Institute. It’s fully backed by every necessary certificate, diploma, and award you could ask for. It's effective, it gets the job done, and it’s safe—which is exactly what you're looking for, isn't it? 🙂

I don't take anything unless it comes from Ruđer.😛

Here is a copy/paste for anyone interested from
"Tomorrow (April 22, 2009) from 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM, American Radio's second program will broadcast a live radio show centered around the book 'Chemotherapy treat cancer and earth be flat plate' by German author Lothar Hirneise. It will be hosted by editor Ljudevit Grgurić Grga (the show is titled 'Hungry ear' and airs every Wednesday)."

"The studio and phone lines will feature several interesting guests who are experts in the field of cancer research." Message posted by "Tornado"...
If anyone is interested, give it a listen. I’m going to try to find that station online myself.

Drew Allen said:Here’s the info for anyone interested—just copy and paste this:
Tomorrow (April 22, 2009) from 9:00 AM to noon, tune in to the second station of American Radio for a live broadcast centered around the book "Chemotherapy treat cancer and earth be flat plate" by Lothar Hirneise from Germany. The show is hosted by editor Ljudevit Grgurić Grga; it's called "Hungry ear" and airs every Wednesday.

We'll have some fascinating experts joining us both in the studio and via phone to dive deep into the complexities of cancer. Post written by "Tornado"...
Who actually cares about following orders? I'm just going to try and track down that station online myself.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting.👍 If you can, listen closely—and then just sit tight and don't do a damn thing. The Association reached out to us, asking for our input on which doctors and scientists should be involved in this.😁

Seriously now ENOUGH!!!
I’ve just been sitting here reading all of you!
PATHETIC!

You guys totally missed the mark—the location, this forum, and the "audience" included. All of you, every single one of you (no exceptions)!

Do you even realize how much you're bringing people down? People come here looking for even a tiny shred of comfort, some kind words, or actual support.

My blood runs cold every single day. I honestly don't know how much more pain my heart can take... and yet, here you are, bickering over the pros and cons of conventional versus alternative medicine. Arguing about who supports what and why they're against it.

Look, everyone should just say what they think, support whatever they believe in, and keep the criticism to themselves. Especially the insults. Leave the disrespect out of it.

I think we’re all going through enough hell as it is without wasting our energy on this kind of nonsense.

Come on, let's bury the hatchet and start being decent to one another again.👍..I'm hoping for some positive news and better vibes.

casualrider21 said:I think life is hard enough for everyone without us wasting our energy on this kind of nonsense.

Then why are you putting so much effort into it?😕

This whole argument kicked off because of a very specific issue that’s been dragging through the Health section for months now—something the mods have already had to step in and address several times. Hopefully, they’ll finally deal with it once and for all and wipe out all the junk that’s piled up here.
Actually, everything you wrote is spot on, and that's exactly why this fight started in the first place.😉
Everyone has the right to speak their mind, provided they stay within the rules of the forum and its sub-forums. Those are the rules, so there's not much else to say about it.🤷

Angela Wright said:Yes, it will be interesting.👍 Please listen closely if you have the chance, and try to stay out of the fray. We were contacted by the Association to suggest specific doctors and scientists who, in our opinion, should be involved in this process.😁

Is there a website where I can listen to this online?

Drew Allen said:Is there some website where I can listen to this online?

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Here's the live stream

Angela Wright said:Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, provided they stay within the rules of this forum and its sub-forums. Those are the guidelines we have to follow, so there isn't much else to say about it.🤷

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JVZomfOHbU

Angela Wright said:So why are you even wasting your breath on them?😕

I mainly come here to read some actual "smart" stuff and just vent so I can clear my head. Plus, if I can help anyone out along the way, then all good.
And then I run right into this crap... just absolute nonsense.

I just figured I should jump in here and say:
No, you guys seriously have no clue what you're talking about! The absolute best way to handle this is by using classic medicine and alternative treatments side-by-side.😁

Come on, people, let's get real here!😉

Anyway, just my two cents. Right now, I’m seeing a mix of both approaches being used, and honestly, I'm banking on it. I truly believe that combining them is the way to go if we want to see some actual positive results.😉

casualrider21 said:Anyway, here’s my take—based on what I’m seeing on the ground right now—it’s actually a mix of both approaches. I’m banking on that, and honestly, I firmly believe it’ll lead to positive results.😉

Look, I'm all for that, and that's exactly what we're fighting for. But the argument being made here is claiming the exact opposite.

So, what are you seeing on your end?

Angela Wright said:And hey, that’s fine—that’s actually what we’re rooting for. But this person is claiming the exact opposite.

How are things looking on your end?

The scans we ran at the end of February showed some major progression in the lungs, though things look slightly better in the liver. The bones aren't showing any more expansion, but he's been dealing with intense pain—arm, shoulder, ribs, spine... you name it—for about the last two weeks.😢

It was a bit of a shocker for us because we were really hoping for an improvement, especially since he seemed to "bounce back" a bit after finishing 6 cycles of chemo.🤷
So, he’s sticking with the chemo, even though they originally planned to wrap up the 6th round.

Whatever, we just keep pushing forward.

Yeah, I actually asked about this a while back... They put him on Zometa, he had one dose, and then the government just pulled the plug and wouldn't approve any more.
Now they’ve got him on Arredia. They're claiming it's basically the same thing and works just as well.
Do you know anything about that?

holloweagle6 said:First off, hello to everyone in this thread... I honestly don't know where to start because my search turned up nothing helpful. My mom has developed this spot on her back that bleeds, heals, and then starts all over again. It's spread, too. When her primary care physician saw it, she marked her referral as an urgent dermatology request and casually mentioned it looks like cancer. Naturally, we are all terrified 😢 though, I have to wonder, how can someone just toss out a diagnosis like that without being a specialist? Of course, Mom is scared, even if she’s trying her best to hide it over the phone. Since I'm far away from her, I feel completely helpless. I called her this morning to try and convince her to see a private specialist, but she refuses; she told me to leave her alone and stop panicking. She actually tried to go to the dermatologist yesterday despite the "urgent" note, but they sent her right back because you have to book an appointment in advance. If she had made a scene, would they have seen her immediately? Perhaps. But since she played by the rules, we are stuck waiting until next Tuesday. 😢😢😢😢 I don't even know what I'm looking for here, maybe if anyone has dealt with something similar? I've been losing my mind with worry since she told me yesterday.

Hello, holloweagle6,

My mother is going through the exact same thing. The spot looks identical to what you described. Her GP initially prescribed a cream, but when that failed to make any difference, she was referred to a dermatologist. Fortunately, we didn't have to wait nearly as long as you might. The dermatologist suspected malignancy and referred her to surgery to have it removed and sent for biopsy. The surgeon then informed my mother that she wouldn't be scheduled for the procedure for another two and a half months.
It’s enough to drive you mad.
We decided to bypass the wait and went to a private clinic, where she had the surgery last week. She goes in to have the stitches removed in about ten days, and then we should finally have the results. I am absolutely terrified of what those results will say.
I will certainly update everyone once we have the findings and know the next steps.
In the end, my mother also resisted the idea of paying for private care. We had such a hard time convincing her. Now, she doesn't regret it, especially since we'll have answers soon rather than waiting until the end of May for the operation.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that everything turns out fine, and I truly suggest seeing a private doctor if you can afford it.