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Zeitgeist ~ Addendum

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Sandra Campbell2 Sandra Campbell2 Member
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#21 ·
Michael Ortiz68, here is some 100% friendly advice: go watch The Walt Disney Company documentary. Seriously. Get an education on what corporations actually are and try to wrap your head around how they operate and what principles truly drive them. If you can watch all that—see the endless accusations flying, the legal battles dragging on through the courts, the sheer scale of it—and still believe that today's global reality is just a coincidence... I mean, look at ExxonMobil pulling in billions from oil extraction while people living in states where that very oil is pumped are struggling just to survive... if you see that, then accepting a scenario like 9/11 or anything else won't feel like such a stretch.

p.s. The absolute worst thing you can be is lethargic and try to bury people with a revolutionary spirit. 🙂 Revolutions are exactly what brought us to this point in history, not lying around in bed preaching the idea that anyone who believes there are evil people in this world is just being a fool...
Chloe Collins34 Chloe Collins34 Newcomer
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#22 ·
Noah Smith53 said:p.s. Honestly, there’s nothing worse than being stuck in a lethargic stupor and trying to bury people who actually possess a revolutionary spirit 🙂 because, let's face it, it was actual revolutions that landed us right where we are today, not lying in bed all day preaching the nonsense that everyone who believes evil exists in this world is just some kind of fool...

🙏🙏🙏 I couldn't agree more.🙏🙏🙏
Zachary Sanchez2 Zachary Sanchez2 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#23 ·
Taylor Gonzalez79 said:I took a look at this recently, and I have to say, I’m genuinely impressed. There’s something here that people really ought to consider from a much broader perspective, rather than just clinging to their narrow, outdated viewpoints.

Exactly. I feel the same way—this is such an opportunity to bring some fresh, new ideas to the table. It shouldn't just be about constant fear, panic, or endless crises... honestly, seeing the argument that the world's core issues stem from our current monetary system actually really energized me.
Anyway, it's worth checking out. Even if you don't change your mind, it'll give you a whole new perspective... a different way of looking at things.👍
wiredtiger10 wiredtiger10 MemberOP
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#24 ·
The Zeitgeist Movement : Orientation Presentation

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The Goal

The Means is the End:

The Goal The means is The end : WE intend to restore The fundamental necessities and environmental awareness of The species through The advocation of The most current understandings of who and what we truly are, coupled with how science, nature and technology (rather than religion, politics and money) hold the keys to our personal growth, not only as individual human beings, but as a civilization, both structurally and spiritually. The central insights of this awareness is The recognition of The Emergent and Symbiotic elements of Natural law and How aligning with Thes understandings as The bedrock of Our personal and social institutions, life on earth can and will flourish into a system which will continuously grow in a positive way, where negative social consequences, such as social stratification, war, biases, elitism and criminal activity will be constantly reduced and, idealistically, eventually become nonexistent within the spectrum of human behavior itself.

Look, this idea is a tough pill to swallow for most people—we’ve been brainwashed by society to believe that crime, corruption, and lying is just "how the world works." We're taught to expect people to always be looking for ways to exploit or screw over others. And honestly? Religion is the biggest driver of this nonsense, pushing that whole fake "us vs. them" or "good vs. evil" mindset.
The truth is we're living in a system designed to manufacture Scarcity. Because of that, people are forced into survival mode—even if that means stealing or cheating just to get by. Our research Has concluded that Scarcity is One of The most fundamental causes of aberrant human behavior , while also leading to complex forms of neurosis in other ways. If you actually look at the numbers for drug addiction, crime, and prison populations, it's clear that poverty and terrible social conditions are what drive those behaviors.

People aren't inherently "good" or "bad"... they're just a constant, shifting reflection of their life experiences. A person's "quality"—if you even want to call it that—is basically just a direct result of how they were raised and the belief systems they were shoved into.

Most people completely miss this. They fall for the primitive idea that greed, competition, and corruption are "hardwired" into us—so we need prisons, cops, and some big hierarchical power structure to keep everyone in check. That's just plain wrong. It makes zero sense.

Bottom line: if you want to fix anything, you have to tackle the root cause. Our current system of "punishment" is ancient, cruel, and totally useless. When some serial killer gets busted, most people lose their minds screaming for them to be executed. That's backward thinking. A sane society—one that actually gets how humans work—would study that person to figure out why they turned violent. Then, that data goes to a research team to figure out how to prevent those exact conditions through better education.

We need to stop patching up a sinking ship. It’s time for a new social model built on actual modern knowledge. Unfortunately, the world is still stuck clinging to outdated superstitions.

One more thing: there's no such thing as a "utopia" or a finish line. Everything is constantly changing. Our daily choices shape the social systems we live in, but—here's the kicker—those same social systems shape how we see the world. So, real change isn't just about fixing your own mindset; it's about rebuilding the social structures that dictate how we think and act in the first place.

Traditional protests and political movements don't really shake the foundations of elite power in the long run. We’ve gotta move past these "establishment rebellions"—they don't work—and start using a much heavier tool:
The plan is to stop fueling the machine while constantly pushing for knowledge, peace, unity, and compassion. You can't "fight the system." Using hate, anger, or a "war" mindset is a dead end—it just uses the exact same dirty tactics the corrupt powers use to stay in control.

The Distortion and Paralysis:

Once you realize that all systems are Emergent and always evolving—and that we’re all Symbiotically tied to nature and one another in these super simple but massive ways—it hits you. It forces the realization that our own personal integrity is only as strong as the integrity of the society around us. When you see that, you realize how backward our social institutions actually are—their very existence is basically what's causing all this social instability. Take the US Monetary System, for instance. People have always claimed it’s a good thing because it supposedly drives progress and incentive. But honestly? The monetary system has turned into nothing more than a way to divide people and enforce totalitarian control.

It’s the ultimate "Divide and Conquer" play because it’s built on two big lies: (1) We have to fight each other just to make it, and (2) humans need some kind of financial "incentive" to actually do anything worthwhile.

Regarding point number one—that we have to fight to survive—this whole "competition" vibe baked into the system practically guarantees corruption everywhere. It’s all "us versus them." A lot of people argue that the "free market" is a good thing... but let's be real, it's totally broken today because of shady policies, cronyism, and massive corporate bailouts. They think if we just had a "pure" free market, everything would be fine. That’s total nonsense. What we’re seeing right now *is* the free market in action—complete with all its unfair advantages and corruption. No amount of legislation is going to stop insider trading, collusion, monopolies, worker exploitation, pollution, or planned obsolescence. That’s just what a competition-based system spits out every single time—because the whole thing is predicated on screwing others over for a profit. End of story.

We need to pivot away from these oppressive ideas and head toward a system actually "designed" to support humans—not force them into a survivalist dogfight. And as for number two—the idea that we need "incentives" to do anything meaningful—that’s just a depressing and incredibly cynical view of humanity. Thinking a person has to be "structurally motivated" or essentially coerced into acting is ridiculous. Just look back to when you were a kid and didn't even know what a dollar bill was. You played, you explored, you learned... why? Simply because you wanted to. But as we grow up in this system, that natural curiosity and drive gets crushed out of us because we're forced to fit into these hyper-specialized, narrow job roles just to eat. This ends up creating a deep, internal rebellion because of that forced obligation—which is exactly how we ended up with this weird split between "work" and "leisure." The people defending the monetary system (those who claim it creates incentive) call people "lazy," but they totally miss the point. In a real society, people would follow their natural passions and contribute to the community—not because they're getting a paycheck, but because they have a higher awareness that helping society helps them too. That’s the elevated state of consciousness we’re talking about. Your reward for helping out is a healthy society... which, naturally, makes your own life better.

To put this in perspective: let's face it, our world is currently run by a tiny group of powerful men sitting at the top of the most dominant institutions—specifically Big Business and Finance. The US government operates hand-in-hand with the influence of massive corporations and Wall Street banks. Money is the lifeblood here, but it’s basically an illusion that doesn't even serve society anymore—it just acts as a tool for manipulation and division, creating a social structure that guarantees elitism, crime, war, and massive inequality.

Look, we’re basically raised to believe that our entire worth as humans boils down to being "right." But here’s the kicker—what counts as "right" is just whatever the current social status quo says it is. It’s a rigged game. If you play along with the mainstream narrative, you’re "normal." If you dare to push back? Suddenly you’re "abnormal," a troublemaker, or some kind of subversive threat to the system. Whether it’s some outdated local tradition or sticking to the big global religions, the root cause is always the same: Intellectual Materialism.

Look, once you accept that knowledge—and by extension, all our institutions—is constantly shifting, you realize that any belief system claiming to have the "final word" without room for debate is basically a dead end. Religion is the ultimate example of this distortion. It’s built entirely on blind faith, making definitive claims about the origins of humanity—which are incredibly complex and elusive—when in an emergent universe, that's just impossible. Period.
Look, here’s the thing—as dangerous as the big-shot power structures are, the real problem is the people who’ve been brainwashed into accepting everything those systems feed them. They basically turn into "Self-Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo." It happens everywhere—politics, Wall Street, even organized religion. Once someone ties their entire identity to the doctrine of a specific nation, a faith, or some corporate grind, they’re stuck. Changing becomes nearly impossible because their whole sense of self is fused with the very ideologies that were forced on them in the first place.

So, they just keep pushing the status quo—basically peddling the institution's doctrine—just to protect their own egos and keep their sense of self intact. That's how they see it, anyway.

We've gotta break this loop—it’s paralyzing us. Not just on a personal level, but for the whole damn country.
The Truth and the Shift—it's happening. Look, we aren't just talking about minor tweaks to the system here. We’re looking at a total overhaul. The Goal The means is The end : WE intend to restore The fundamental necessities and environmental awareness of The species through The advocation of The. It sounds massive because it is. And honestly? It’s the only way forward if we want to stop spinning our wheels. We have to face the facts: Our research Has concluded that Scarcity is One of The most fundamental causes of aberrant human behavior , while also leading to complex forms of neurosis in other ways. You see it everywhere in the States—people acting out, systems breaking down—all because we're stuck in this loop of never having enough. It's driving everyone crazy. But there's a way out. The central insights of this awareness is The recognition of The Emergent and Symbiotic elements of Natural law and How aligning with Thes understandings as The bedrock of Our personal and social institutions. If we actually lean into how things work naturally instead of fighting against them, everything changes. That’s the core of the transition. It's about moving past that constant state of Scarcity and finally building something that actually works for everyone.

Look, once you finally wrap your head around the fact that your own existence is tied directly to the health of the planet, every living thing, and everyone else on Earth—your path basically lays itself out for you. It’s pretty simple. Once you realize that actual progress comes from science, tech, and raw human creativity, you start seeing exactly where our priorities should be for both personal and social growth. When you lay it all out like that, it becomes obvious: religion, politics, and this whole cutthroat, money-driven labor system are just outdated relics. They're obsolete models of how society functions, and we seriously need to move past them. Our mission? To build a social system that doesn't rely on politics or money, letting superstition fade away naturally as real education takes over. No one has the right to dictate what anyone else believes—let's be real, nobody actually understands everything. But if we just pay attention to how nature actually works, we can align ourselves with those natural processes, and suddenly, the way forward becomes crystal clear.

People are freaking out about global population growth—it's everywhere. You even get these creepy, shadowy comments from old-school power brokers like Henry Kissinger suggesting we need some kind of "reduction." Honestly? It’s terrifying stuff. But here’s the thing: is overpopulation actually the monster everyone thinks it is? From a scientific standpoint, the answer is a hard no. Once we actually harness high-end tech, this planet could support way, way more people than we have now. I mean, 70% of the Earth is water—building floating cities is the logical next move—and those kinds of visionary projects are exactly where we're headed. Plus, once you actually educate people on how life functions, they'll start to see the real impact of their own reproductive choices. Population growth will naturally level off once everyone realizes how deeply we're all tied to the planet and its actual carrying capacity.

Look, let's get real—the only actual "government" that matters is the Earth and everything it provides. Everything else is just noise. If we want to actually get somewhere, we need a total intellectual unification of every nation on the map. Why? Because as a species, our most vital asset is having a complete, granular, high-definition breakdown of exactly what we’re working with on this planet. It’s simple math—you wouldn't dream of trying to farm or build on an acre of land in rural Texas without first checking the soil quality and water access, right? We need to apply that exact same logic to the entire globe if we ever want to stop guessing and actually optimize our potential as a species.

Look, I know what people are gonna say: "How the hell are we supposed to pull this off when our entire value system is totally broken? How do we even make a move like that?" Honestly—it’s the toughest question there is. But here’s the thing: we’ve gotta start somewhere. There’s plenty an individual or even just one local community can do to start carving out this vision. The absolute biggest first step? Education. It's everything.

Thanks for jumping in on this.

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The Zeitgeist Movement : Orientation Presentation Video

This is basically a deep dive into why everything is broken right now and how we actually fix it—whether it's the money system, industry, or just life in general. It breaks it all down with actual science and facts, looking straight at the future. For me, this is hands down the most important film ever made for humanity. You seriously need to watch this.
Ronald Brooks75 Ronald Brooks75 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#25 ·
An interesting documentary, specifically parts 1 and 3. Part 2 holds its own, though I was already well-acquainted with that particular "conspiracy" long before I sat down to watch the film.

To those claiming the movie fails to provide any evidence: if you actually watched it, you would have seen hundreds of pieces of proof, particularly within the first installment.
Sean Martin62 Sean Martin62 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2009
#26 ·
An exceptional film, much like the rest of the series... I see plenty of people in these threads calling it "funny," yet they fail to back up those claims with any actual substance. It isn't anyone's job to judge or dictate what works and what doesn't. Everyone is free to choose their own path and how they conduct themselves, but the reality is that so many people are essentially hostages to society—they simply conform to the status quo instead of looking at things through a realistic lens. True strength resides within each of us; the only question is whether we actually know how to harness it and in what capacity. Wishing you all the best!!
rustyscout34 rustyscout34 Active Member
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joined Aug 2009
#27 ·
This is an incredible documentary that anyone with an open mind should check out. It really makes you stop and think about what needs to change. Alongside Zeitgeist, this is my favorite doc—actually, it’s more than just a movie to me. I guess most people just aren't conscious enough yet to grasp certain messages that are way ahead of our current era. It might take centuries for us to actually overcome this broken system and this specific way of thinking to evolve as a civilization. I'm a pessimist by nature, and honestly, history doesn't give me much reason to be optimistic. Just look back at the Middle Ages, living under religious dogma, intellectual stagnation, and that constant need for the masses to stay ignorant and submissive. Today, we have major world religions acting as the biggest enemies to intellect, alongside our monetary system, capitalism, and massive corporations. Every single person needs to watch these two documentaries.

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