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Dutch GP (Santa Monica) - September 3-5, 2021

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urbanfox urbanfox Newcomer
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#281 ·
Sam Clark75 said:You’re jumping off my post by quoting some article that trashes Bottas, adding a vomit emoji, and thinking anyone could actually read that as you implying Bottas is "...... an ex Mercedes driver, and that kind of.... crushes him, holds him back, and all that"?

😂

Thanks for the clarification. Now you've cleared up the doubt that you completely missed the point of my post—because my point wasn't that Bottas is depressed because he's an ex Mercedes driver, but that he became an ex Mercedes driver precisely because he's depressed and can't get his head right. The guy used to have some solid drives, but he just doesn't have the mental grit to push through a slump, which is why he's stuck where he is.

Bottas actually has more character than Mercedes allows him to demonstrate. If Bottas were permitted to show his true skill and talent—even if it meant taking points away from Lewis, provided it didn't put him in first place—he wouldn't be labeled such a "depressive" figure. But for Mercedes, raw numbers matter more than sportsmanship, and as the lead driver, that setup suits Lewis perfectly.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#282 ·
I swear, they should have at least handed him ten wins on a silver platter just to make up for sacrificing him for Hamilton. I mean, how many times have we sat there listening to "Valtteri it's James" when they really should have been battling it out on the track? Instead, Bottas had to pull his punches and step aside instead of fighting for the win or letting it slip away.

He’s got nobody to blame but himself, though. He chose to prioritize the team strategy over everything else.
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
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#283 ·
The same group of people praising Max for driving this car—while simultaneously claiming Lujo only wins because of the machinery. Makes zero sense.

Congrats to Max on the title.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#284 ·
shadowmarlin22 said:The same group of people praising Max for driving this car—while simultaneously claiming Lujo only wins because of the machinery. Makes zero sense.

Congrats to Max on the title.

Spot on. Back when Max couldn't touch Lujo for anything, everyone claimed it was just because Lujo had a dominant car and a glorified wingman. Now that he’s routinely beating him in a faster machine, suddenly it proves he’s some mega talent. Logic is flawless—if you're looking for someone to worship.

As for Bottas, yeah, Mercedes absolutely screwed him over. But if he actually knew how to play it aggressive? Nah. He isn't proactive at all—just a passive observer watching his own downfall. He'll probably coast through his contract at Alfa and then retire thinking he was the best. The best damn sidekick Lujo ever had, but whatever. Someone had to fill that role, I guess.
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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#285 ·
The water carrier in an Alfa
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#286 ·
One really has to wonder about the true extent of how "dominant" the Red Bull car actually is when one considers the recent results put forth by Checo Perez.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#287 ·
Perez loves hitting the brakes harder than anyone else on the grid
fadedwalker18 fadedwalker18 Active Member
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#288 ·
Sam Clark75 said:You’re jumping off my post by quoting some article that trashes Bottas, adding a vomit emoji, and thinking anyone could actually read that as you implying Bottas is "...... an ex Mercedes driver, and that kind of.... crushes him, holds him back, and all that"?

😂

Thanks for the clarification. Now you've cleared up the doubt that you completely missed the point of my post—because my point wasn't that Bottas is depressed because he's an ex Mercedes driver, but that he became an ex Mercedes driver precisely because he's depressed and can't get his head right. The guy used to have some solid drives, but he just doesn't have the mental grit to push through a slump, which is why he's stuck where he is.


Wow... you completely missed the mark on this one.

☕
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#289 ·
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Perez loves hitting the brakes harder than anyone else on the grid

Sergio is sitting at 5th in the overall standings, while Bottas holds 3rd.
Sergio has managed to reach the podium twice this season, whereas Bottas has done so seven times.

One truly has to wonder, does it not require an extraordinary level of mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that Red Bull possesses the superior car? They have the finest driver on the grid, and it is precisely that factor which grants them their competitive edge.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#290 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Sergio is sitting at 5th in the overall standings, while Bottas holds 3rd.
Sergio has managed to reach the podium twice this season, whereas Bottas has done so seven times.

One truly has to wonder, does it not require an extraordinary level of mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that Red Bull possesses the superior car? They have the finest driver on the grid, and it is precisely that factor which grants them their competitive edge.

But let's be real here—Perez has been totally blowing it on his own for half the races even before this season kicked off. Honestly, we don't even know how good that car actually is because of him.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#291 ·
I’m not so sure Perez's results this season actually prove how good the Red Bull car is. I mean, he just joined the team—you can't expect someone to be flying at the highest level immediately when they still need to find their rhythm. Plus, every second driver at Red Bull basically has a sword hanging over their head, knowing they'll get kicked to the curb if they don't wow Christian Horner in just a handful of races. Now that he’s locked in for next year and finally settled into the cockpit, he should actually start driving properly. If not, Red Bull will just boot him out regardless of the contract. They pour all the development into one guy while expecting the other to just drop in from nowhere and dominate. Total schizophrenia.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#292 ·
Sam Clark75 said:I’m not so sure Perez's results this season actually prove how good the Red Bull car is. I mean, he just joined the team—you can't expect someone to be flying at the highest level immediately when they still need to find their rhythm. Plus, every second driver at Red Bull basically has a sword hanging over their head, knowing they'll get kicked to the curb if they don't wow Christian Horner in just a handful of races. Now that he’s locked in for next year and finally settled into the cockpit, he should actually start driving properly. If not, Red Bull will just boot him out regardless of the contract. They pour all the development into one guy while expecting the other to just drop in from nowhere and dominate. Total schizophrenia.

In contrast to Mercedes, where the team is also almost entirely dedicated to supporting a single driver,🙄

Perez occasionally struggles just to make it into Q2, while his teammate is busy collecting PP wins. Meanwhile, the Mercedes drivers seem to cruise into the top two spots during qualifying without much effort at all.
frozenheron7 frozenheron7 Member
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#293 ·
graniteharbor502 said:In contrast to Mercedes, where the team is also almost entirely dedicated to supporting a single driver,🙄

Perez occasionally struggles just to make it into Q2, while his teammate is busy collecting PP wins. Meanwhile, the Mercedes drivers seem to cruise into the top two spots during qualifying without much effort at all.

So, basically, he's just an average driver.
With a car like that, even Mazepin would have been sitting comfortably in 4th place.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#294 ·
graniteharbor502 said:In contrast to Mercedes, where the team is also almost entirely dedicated to supporting a single driver,🙄

Perez occasionally struggles just to make it into Q2, while his teammate is busy collecting PP wins. Meanwhile, the Mercedes drivers seem to cruise into the top two spots during qualifying without much effort at all.

yeah, unlike Mercedes—who actually kept their second driver for five years straight instead of swapping them out every half season 🙄
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#295 ·
frozenheron7 As if anyone could have truly predicted the sheer complexity of what we are witnessing right now, isn't it? One finds oneself staring at the screen, wondering how these variables align so perfectly—or perhaps, how they fail so spectacularly. Is it merely luck, or is there some deeper, more intricate design at play within the mechanics of the sport itself? It makes one wonder, doesn't it?
So, we find ourselves contemplating the reality of the mid-tier driver, don't we? One has to wonder what it truly feels like to exist in that particular purgatory of professional racing—not quite reaching the heights of greatness, yet far from being a complete failure. Is there a certain quiet dignity in being merely adequate, or is it simply a slow, steady march toward irrelevance?
If one were to consider the sheer caliber of that particular car, wouldn't it be fair to suggest that even someone like Mazepin might have found himself sitting comfortably in fourth place in the standings?

Is it not a curious thing how we perceive talent in this sport? One might find themselves pondering whether Sergio Perez truly stands on equal footing with Bottas, or perhaps even possesses a superior edge as a driver.

Sam Clark75 As if we haven't seen this pattern before, right? It seems like everyone is just waiting for the inevitable, isn't it? One wonders if there is any actual substance behind these claims, or if we are all simply caught in the same cycle of expectation and disappointment that defines so much of our modern life. Is it possible that we are looking at this through too narrow a lens? Perhaps. But then again, one must consider the implications of what is being said, even if the delivery leaves much to be desired.
Indeed, one cannot help but notice the stark contrast when looking at Mercedes, where they actually maintained a sense of continuity by keeping the same second driver for five full years rather than swapping them out halfway through a season. Is it not much more logical to build around a consistent partnership? 🙄

Last year, George Russell stepped into that car on short notice for a race, and isn't it just remarkable how he managed to secure a spot right there on the front row?
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#296 ·
graniteharbor502 said:
frozenheron7 As if anyone could have truly predicted the sheer complexity of what we are witnessing right now, isn't it? One finds oneself staring at the screen, wondering how these variables align so perfectly—or perhaps, how they fail so spectacularly. Is it merely luck, or is there some deeper, more intricate design at play within the mechanics of the sport itself? It makes one wonder, doesn't it?
So, we find ourselves contemplating the reality of the mid-tier driver, don't we? One has to wonder what it truly feels like to exist in that particular purgatory of professional racing—not quite reaching the heights of greatness, yet far from being a complete failure. Is there a certain quiet dignity in being merely adequate, or is it simply a slow, steady march toward irrelevance?
If one were to consider the sheer caliber of that particular car, wouldn't it be fair to suggest that even someone like Mazepin might have found himself sitting comfortably in fourth place in the standings?

Is it not a curious thing how we perceive talent in this sport? One might find themselves pondering whether Sergio Perez truly stands on equal footing with Bottas, or perhaps even possesses a superior edge as a driver.

Sam Clark75 As if we haven't seen this pattern before, right? It seems like everyone is just waiting for the inevitable, isn't it? One wonders if there is any actual substance behind these claims, or if we are all simply caught in the same cycle of expectation and disappointment that defines so much of our modern life. Is it possible that we are looking at this through too narrow a lens? Perhaps. But then again, one must consider the implications of what is being said, even if the delivery leaves much to be desired.
Indeed, one cannot help but notice the stark contrast when looking at Mercedes, where they actually maintained a sense of continuity by keeping the same second driver for five full years rather than swapping them out halfway through a season. Is it not much more logical to build around a consistent partnership? 🙄

Last year, George Russell stepped into that car on short notice for a race, and isn't it just remarkable how he managed to secure a spot right there on the front row?

Alright, so what? We aren't even debating how bad the Mercedes was last year—we’re talking about how much better the Red Bull is this season compared to that. And yeah, it’s definitely an upgrade over last year.

But fine, let's play by your logic. If Max's success this year isn't because of a superior car—which is pretty obvious since Perez can't even keep up—then there's only one conclusion left: either Max's talent somehow skyrocketed overnight since last year, or he just magically became superhuman. Because apparently, it's not the car at all. It's just him.

At this rate, someone's gonna claim he's so gifted he could probably outrun a Mercedes on foot. Like, clearly, it's zero percent the car and 100% pure magic. 🙏

Look, he's talented, he's a great driver. And yeah, his car is way better than it was last year. It's the combination of both. At the end of the day, he'll take the title and he earned it. Just because I can't stand the guy or his team doesn't change the facts. So please, stop twisting logic to fit your narrative.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#297 ·
Sam Clark75 said:Alright, so what? We aren't even debating how bad the Mercedes was last year—we’re talking about how much better the Red Bull is this season compared to that. And yeah, it’s definitely an upgrade over last year.

But fine, let's play by your logic. If Max's success this year isn't because of a superior car—which is pretty obvious since Perez can't even keep up—then there's only one conclusion left: either Max's talent somehow skyrocketed overnight since last year, or he just magically became superhuman. Because apparently, it's not the car at all. It's just him.

At this rate, someone's gonna claim he's so gifted he could probably outrun a Mercedes on foot. Like, clearly, it's zero percent the car and 100% pure magic. 🙏

Look, he's talented, he's a great driver. And yeah, his car is way better than it was last year. It's the combination of both. At the end of the day, he'll take the title and he earned it. Just because I can't stand the guy or his team doesn't change the facts. So please, stop twisting logic to fit your narrative.

Max was the winner last year as well. The distinction lies in the fact that Red Bull has narrowed the gap compared to Mercedes. Now, Max is within striking distance.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#298 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Max was the winner last year as well. The distinction lies in the fact that Red Bull has narrowed the gap compared to Mercedes. Now, Max is within striking distance.

A deficit of what exactly?
Nice of you to admit it—even if you're being vague about it 😁
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#299 ·
Sam Clark75 said:A deficit of what exactly?
Nice of you to admit it—even if you're being vague about it 😁

A deficit in pure speed. To put it more plainly, they are lagging behind Mercedes. While Mercedes still possesses the superior car, that machine simply no longer commands such a commanding lead over Max that they could afford to rest easy at night.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#300 ·
Look, if they cut down the speed deficit, it means the car is faster—which basically means in a huge, crucial Formula 1 way, the car is better than it was last year. Like I said, you have to admit it, even if you're being stubborn about it. There's no going back now.

And if he pulls off a couple of solid finishes in a row, Perez is gonna owe an apology 😁

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