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Raymond Gray2 Raymond Gray2 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2013
#1 ·
Just wanted to throw a little theory out there for everyone to chew on... Lately, I’ve been diving deep into the world of healthy eating, and I’ve come to this conclusion: pretty much all modern ailments—if not most of them—stem from a crappy diet. What do you guys think? We're talking high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, even just basic cavities... it's all linked back to what we put in our bodies. People used to eat way less and were significantly healthier. Nowadays, we're constantly overloading on meat, sugar, and carbs. Everyone knows fat is bad, but it goes so much deeper than that.
By cutting back on portions and actually being smart about my food choices, I managed to bring my blood pressure down from an average of 150/100 to 130/85. I even started tapering off my meds... (Iruzid and Atenolol). It feels like modern medicine only has one move: hand out pills, instead of just telling people, "Hey, maybe eat a little less."
If I can finally kick the smoking habit too, I bet I'll hit that perfect blood pressure reading.
Maria Doyle27 Maria Doyle27 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#2 ·
I couldn't agree more with that thesis—honestly, most people these days are basically fueling themselves with straight-up garbage loaded with additives. There was actually a discussion on this very topic just recently, detailing an entire list of those "E" numbers linked to various ailments, including one particularly nasty additive, E330, which is considered a carcinogen and has been banned here in the USA...

On the flip side, sure, everyone says you ought to be eating more fruits and vegetables—but damn, I have to admit, I feel incredibly uneasy whenever I step foot into these massive big-box retailers or supermarkets... because I truly have no clue what I’m actually putting in my cart, whether anything is legitimately organic (which, let’s face it, is probably rare) or if everything has just been drenched in all sorts of modern, questionable farming chemicals...
ruggedpanther64 ruggedpanther64 Member
29 messages
joined Aug 2007
#3 ·
There are a thousand different ways this could play out, so really... it just is what it is, and there isn't much anyone can do to change it
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#4 ·
Maria Doyle27 said:Watch out, because among those additives, the most dangerous one is E330—it's actually banned here in the USA because it’s linked to cancer!


I think I might just go ahead and grab myself some lasagna! 🙂
I definitely will!

Honestly, anyone who keeps posting "here, here, here..." on this forum this year is just being silly!
I swear, I am actually going to track you guys down! 🙂
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#5 ·
Raymond Gray2 said:By cutting back on certain foods and making smarter choices, I managed to bring my blood pressure down from an average of 150/100 to 130/85—all while gradually tapering off my meds (Iruzid and Atenolol).

Just because it worked for you doesn't mean it'll work for everyone!
People deal with health issues for way more reasons than just eating the "wrong" stuff or overindulging.
Honestly, claiming otherwise feels a bit arrogant.

So, go ahead—run out and buy the biggest candle you can find, then go burn it on your doorstep as a little "thank you" since you solved all your problems so easily!
hollowotter88 hollowotter88 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2007
#6 ·
A significant portion of our health issues is hardwired into our genetics, so I suspect diet isn't quite the silver bullet people claim it to be.
I know plenty of vegetarians who still struggle with high cholesterol, hypertension, and the like—so there's that.
Sure, you can use food to manage certain metrics, particularly when dealing with something like diabetes, but as for actually "curing" an ailment? I'm not so sure about that.
Maria Doyle27 Maria Doyle27 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#7 ·
jadesailor14 said:I’m going to go ahead and hunt down anyone who thinks they can just keep posting those same repetitive, mindless little comments here all year long...🙂
but I swear

if I catch anyone else spamming this exact same thing over and over again... I will personally find you, and I am being completely serious about that...
🙂


I am merely relaying what my doctor—who holds a PhD in her medical field, mind you—told me directly. Since I am certainly no chemist myself, all I can really do is take her word for it...
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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#8 ·
LOL
I wouldn't even bother trying to argue
instead I'd just sit there and cry, hoping against hope that the woman isn't actually some medical PhD
you don't need to be a chemist to figure this one out😉
Linda Gonzalez16 Linda Gonzalez16 Member
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joined Dec 2003
#9 ·
jadesailor14 said:I’m gonna lose my mind 🙂
if I have to deal with

and to anyone else still posting "this, this, this..." in this thread this year... seriously,
I will find you. 🙂

👍 👍 👍 This forum is a total circus. Look, folks, all we need is a little common sense and some basic biochemistry knowledge... or honestly, just a shred of decency so people stop talking about stuff they clearly know nothing about.
Maria Doyle27 Maria Doyle27 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#10 ·
James Watson84 said:👍 👍 👍 Honestly, this forum is an absolute circus sometimes. My dear friends, we really don't need much—just a shred of common sense and perhaps a basic grasp of biochemistry... or at the very least, some elementary decency so people stop pretending to be experts on things they clearly know nothing about...


The moderator has already stepped in and handled things quite effectively 😁

thanx Polly, you actually inspired me to do a little bit of Googling😉
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#11 ·
Maria Doyle27 said:thanx jadesailor14, you actually inspired me to do a little digging online!😉

We've already seen three posts this week claiming "E330 is evil," so I was starting to feel a bit burnt out😁
feeling like we're just dragging the same old topic all over the forum in different threads.
Raymond Gray2 Raymond Gray2 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2013
#12 ·
I think there’s been a bit of a misunderstanding here. I wasn't talking about additives or any of that stuff you guys jumped to—my point was simply that people eat the wrong things and they eat way too much, which is what I believe drives modern diseases... I'm not even talking about emulsifiers, preservatives, or junk like that.
We’re overdoing it on meat and protein in general, which we know can be harmful in massive amounts and is honestly just unnecessary! An adult really only needs a few grams a day, yet people are slamming 200g or more! And it's not just meat, either—it's all the milk, cheese, and so on.
Then there's the massive amount of white flour and sugar being eaten—which is also super toxic and destructive... yet at the same time, people aren't eating nearly enough fruits and veggies. Fruit usually just ends up as a dessert...
That's what I meant.
Plus, I used my own experience as an example: by cutting back on meat, sugar, and white bread to a minimum, I actually managed to get my high blood pressure under control. Modern medicine doesn't have a real answer for this—some doctors call it "essential" hypertension. They claim they don't know the cause... Well, then why don't people living closer to nature on a sparse diet deal with high blood pressure? (think places like the Andes, the Caucasus, or somewhere in Africa) Nobody seems to mention how important the GI (glycemic index) is, either! Someone mentioned that vegetarians get high blood pressure too... well, if they aren't eating meat, maybe they're overloading on starches and proteins that spike their blood sugar—which triggers insulin, which then spikes your blood pressure... just in case you didn't know. On top of that, you've got a lack of movement and not drinking enough water. That's just as critical for blood pressure.
Look, I'm no expert, I'll admit that—but I listen to people who have experimented on themselves and made discoveries that modern medicine ignores or refuses to acknowledge... I'm pretty skeptical of the medical establishment and doctors who just hand out pills left and right (I'm speaking from my own experience and my whole family's history)
Linda Gonzalez16 Linda Gonzalez16 Member
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joined Dec 2003
#13 ·
Raymond Gray2 said:I think there's a misunderstanding here. I wasn't talking about additives or whatever you guys jumped to—I meant that people just eat the wrong stuff and they eat way too much of it, which I honestly believe is the root cause of modern diseases... Not even touching on additives, emulsifiers, preservatives, and all that junk.
We’re eating way too much meat and protein in general, which we don't even know is harmful in massive amounts, let alone unnecessary! An adult really only needs a few grams a day, yet people are slamming 200g or more! And that’s not just from meat; it’s through milk, cheese, and all that, too.
There's also way too much white flour and sugar—which is incredibly damaging—yet people barely touch fruit or veggies... Fruit usually just ends up as a dessert.
That's what I meant.
Plus, I used myself as an example: by cutting back on meat, sugar, and white bread to a minimum, I managed to get my high blood pressure under control. Modern medicine doesn't have a real answer for this—some call it "essential" hypertension. They claim the cause is unknown... But then why don't people living closer to nature with sparse diets deal with blood pressure issues? (Like in the Andamos, the Caucasus, or somewhere in Africa) Nobody mentions how important the GI (glycemic index) is either! Someone once told me vegetarians get high blood pressure too... Well, if they aren't eating meat, maybe they're overdoing the starches and proteins that spike blood sugar—and then insulin kicks in, which also raises blood pressure... in case you didn't know. Then you've got to factor in the lack of movement and not drinking enough water. That's just as vital for blood pressure.
Look, I'm no expert, I admit that—but I listen to people who experiment on themselves and make discoveries that modern medicine ignores or refuses to acknowledge... I'm skeptical of the medical establishment and doctors who just hand out pills left and right (I'm speaking from my own experience and my whole family's).

That's a pretty bold claim, and honestly, it doesn't hold water. Diet definitely influences certain diseases, but you're nowhere near capturing the role it actually plays. As for the points you highlighted, we could go on forever. We don't know everything about hypertension, but we certainly know more than you think, and any decent, responsible doctor will tell a patient to modify their lifestyle to lower their pressure before jumping straight to meds. For instance, a "healthy" diet avoiding saturated fats and loading up on fruits and veggies = a drop in systolic pressure of 8-14 mmHg, keeping salt intake below 100 mmol/L = a drop in systolic pressure of 2-8 mmHg, doing aerobic exercise for half an hour a few times a week = a drop in systolic pressure of 4-9 mmHg, cutting back on alcohol if you drink heavily = a drop in systolic pressure of 2-4 mmHg, or reducing body weight back to a normal BMI = a drop in systolic pressure of 5-20 mmHg per 10 kg lost .
By the way, insulin doesn't raise blood pressure. There are multi-factorial conditions that cause peripheral tissue insulin sensitivity to drop, requiring higher levels of insulin in the blood to maintain normal function. Since those conditions also drive atherosclerosis and contribute to rising blood pressure, people often jump to the wrong conclusion that insulin directly causes high blood pressure, when it's really just a bystander. If anything, to add a bit of irony, there are hormones that act opposite to insulin that actually raise arterial pressure (like adrenaline or corticosteroids...).

And being skeptical of the medical system and doctors who blindly prescribe meds is a respectable stance, provided that criticism is backed up by actual arguments.👍 .
ruggedpanther64 ruggedpanther64 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#14 ·
I was just wondering, if there isn’t any history of cancer anywhere in your family tree, does that actually mean you're in the clear, or is there still a chance someone could develop it anyway?

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Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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#15 ·
Raymond Gray2 said:I think we’re talking past each other here. I wasn't referring to additives or anything like that—which seems to be where you went with this—but rather the fact that people simply eat the wrong things and eat far too much of them. To me, that's the real root of modern ailments... and I'm not even talking about emulsifiers, preservatives, or junk stuff.
We're overdoing it on meat and protein in general, which, let's face it, isn't great in massive quantities and often isn't even necessary. An adult really only needs a few grams a day, yet people are slamming 200 grams or more! And it's not just from meat; you've got milk, cheese, and all that too.

A few grams? Please. A person needs roughly 1g of protein per kilogram of body weight—specifically complete proteins, ideally sourced from quality stuff like meat, dairy, or eggs.

Besides, the main "cause" of modern diseases is just longevity. Back in the day, people were dropping like flies from infectious diseases at a young age, so they never even lived long enough to develop things like cancer or heart disease.
Linda Gonzalez16 Linda Gonzalez16 Member
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joined Dec 2003
#16 ·
ruggedpanther64 said:If nobody in your family has ever dealt with cancer... is there still a chance you could get it?

Absolutely. We're talking lung, oral cavity, esophageal, stomach, cervical, liver cancer—you name it. Even if you rule out any hereditary genetic flaws like oncogenes or messed-up tumor-suppressor genes, you can't ignore environmental stuff. Smoking, viruses (like HPV or Hepatitis B and C), carcinogens in food (think nitrosamines), chemicals, radiation... all of it matters.
ruggedpanther64 ruggedpanther64 Member
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#17 ·
I suppose I went ahead and asked the question... my bad

I was just wondering if having absolutely no history of cancer in the family—you know, Mom, Dad, baba Deda—actually lowers your own risk, or if there's some other way it works out since genes tend to travel in such unpredictable ways
quietpilot87 quietpilot87 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#18 ·
Raymond Gray2 said:Just wanted to throw an interesting theory out there for discussion... Lately, I've been reading up on healthy eating and I've come to the conclusion that almost all—if not most—modern illnesses stem from a bad diet. What do you guys think? Take high blood pressure, cardiovascular issues, diabetes, cancer, even just basic cavities... and plenty of others. It's all down to poor nutrition. People used to eat way less and were much healthier. Nowadays, everyone's overdoing it on meat, sugar, and carbs—maybe fats a bit less (since that's one thing most people actually know is bad)
By cutting back on food and making better choices, I managed to drop my blood pressure from an average of 150/100 down to 130/85—all while slowly tapering off my meds... (Lisinopril and Atenolol). Honestly, modern medicine only seems to have one solution: more pills, instead of just telling people: "Hey, eat less."
If I can finally kick the smoking habit, I bet my blood pressure would be perfect.

Obviously diet matters 👍
Way more than most people realize.
But look, nothing is good in excess.
In my opinion, totally banning stuff like sweets or a slice of pizza just backfires—you end up craving it like crazy. And let's be real, neither of those things is exactly health food. 😬
I'm all for a balanced, healthy diet that includes the occasional guilty pleasure.👍

The truth is, most people eat pretty damn poorly. Looking at my coworkers, it's nothing but pastries in the morning and pizza for lunch. If I ate like that, I'd be passed out by noon.😲
quietpilot87 quietpilot87 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#19 ·
Maria Doyle27 said:I’m totally with you on that—people basically live on processed junk and additives these days. There was actually a thread about this recently listing all those "E" numbers linked to health issues. One of the worst ones—which they've already banned here in the States—is E330, which is tied to cancer.

Look, an additive isn't exactly the smoking gun for cancer. ☕
quietpilot87 quietpilot87 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#20 ·
hollowotter88 said:A lot of sickness is just baked into your DNA—so I don't think diet is the whole story here.

Sure, you can tweak certain numbers with what you eat—especially if you're dealing with diabetes—but "curing" something? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm with you on the first part. It’s not one-size-fits-all. For instance, high-carb diets absolutely wreck me. I gain weight and feel like a zombie all day. Meanwhile, I know people who live off pastries and seem totally fine. Me? No way.
Basically, you're just born with it. Guess 😬

I disagree with the second point, though. I really think plenty of people could massively boost their health and quality of life if they actually caught the issue early and used food as a tool. Yeah, it's a lifelong commitment, but it's worth the grind. I managed to pull it off by following my gut and ignoring most of the standard "rules." I did my own digging, tested things out on myself, and finally found what works.

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