Philip Seymour Hoffman

Good grief, you really are a walking encyclopedia of chaos! That sensationalist tone is just classic. I’d say the New York Post has hit rock bottom, but honestly, there are plenty of other tabloids out there that make them look like the Wall Street Journal by comparison.

cosmiclynx57 said:Arrests tied to the passing of Philip Seymour Hoffman

I mean, is it even possible that someone just targeted him or set him up to die?

If this were anyone else, nobody would even be getting arrested.

I've never been one for conspiracy theories.

I honestly thought the guy was gay this whole time, but then I saw the bio... I had zero clue he even had a wife and three kids.

Eric Patel7 said:I really respected him as an actor. There's no denying he had massive talent—but honestly? I'm not going to sit here and say I'm mourning his passing. He might have been a great actor, but given how he went out, I think most people are just going to remember him as a jerk.

Just a comment that says a lot about both the judgment being passed and the person writing it.

Michelle Long6 said:Just a comment that says a lot about both the judgment being passed and the person writing it.

Why?

If we’re going to lump Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin into that category of legends who basically traded their genius for a fix—and yeah, Jim Morrison usually ends up on that list too—or if we call James Dean an idiot who couldn't handle a car, or say drugs turned Elvis Presley into a shell of himself... then I don't see why we can't say Hoffman left us in a way that was just plain, incredibly stupid. Once they find you with a needle in your hand, you're pretty much etched onto that list forever.

Look, I’m not questioning his talent at all—not even a little bit—that stays with him regardless. But saying he went out in a senseless way? Yeah, I'll stand by that. If he'd been thinking clearly, he would've been looking out for his kids... and since even they couldn't keep him clean after 23 years, it feels like he just didn't care. Which is totally fine. We can be honest about that. But let's not pretend to be hypocritical moralists here. If this had been some random nobody on the street, everyone would be saying he finally got what he was looking for.

I mean, it’s just plain tacky and rude to call someone an idiot right after they pass away, regardless of how it happened. I guess if we were talking about people who take their own lives, some might call them weak, or label addicts as morons who asked for it... but in a moment like this, you really should show some respect for the deceased and their family and friends. They know what he went through and how he lived way better than any of us ever could. It’s just basic decency—not that many people seem to have heard of etiquette lately. I doubt anyone would be typing out "idiot" if it were their own closest loved one, right?

briskhound2 said:Why?

If we’re going to lump Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin into that category of legends who basically traded their genius for a fix—and yeah, Jim Morrison usually ends up on that list too—or if we call James Dean an idiot who couldn't handle a car, or say drugs turned Elvis Presley into a shell of himself... then I don't see why we can't say Hoffman left us in a way that was just plain, incredibly stupid. Once they find you with a needle in your hand, you're pretty much etched onto that list forever.

Look, I’m not questioning his talent at all—not even a little bit—that stays with him regardless. But saying he went out in a senseless way? Yeah, I'll stand by that. If he'd been thinking clearly, he would've been looking out for his kids... and since even they couldn't keep him clean after 23 years, it feels like he just didn't care. Which is totally fine. We can be honest about that. But let's not pretend to be hypocritical moralists here. If this had been some random nobody on the street, everyone would be saying he finally got what he was looking for.

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Michelle Long6 said:I mean, it’s just plain tacky and rude to call someone an idiot right after they pass away, regardless of how it happened. I guess if we were talking about people who take their own lives, some might call them weak, or label addicts as morons who asked for it... but in a moment like this, you really should show some respect for the deceased and their family and friends. They know what he went through and how he lived way better than any of us ever could. It’s just basic decency—not that many people seem to have heard of etiquette lately. I doubt anyone would be typing out "idiot" if it were their own closest loved one, right?

No, you don't. Because he didn't show any respect to himself, his kids, his family, or his friends.

briskhound2 said:Why?

If we’re going to lump Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin into that category of legends who basically traded their genius for a fix—and yeah, Jim Morrison usually ends up on that list too—or if we call James Dean an idiot who couldn't handle a car, or say drugs turned Elvis Presley into a shell of himself... then I don't see why we can't say Hoffman left us in a way that was just plain, incredibly stupid. Once they find you with a needle in your hand, you're pretty much etched onto that list forever.

Look, I’m not questioning his talent at all—not even a little bit—that stays with him regardless. But saying he went out in a senseless way? Yeah, I'll stand by that. If he'd been thinking clearly, he would've been looking out for his kids... and since even they couldn't keep him clean after 23 years, it feels like he just didn't care. Which is totally fine. We can be honest about that. But let's not pretend to be hypocritical moralists here. If this had been some random nobody on the street, everyone would be saying he finally got what he was looking for.

Bravo... honestly surprised the OP hasn't reported you to the mods yet (they certainly reported me) 🤣

Michelle Long6 said:I mean, it’s just plain tacky and rude to call someone an idiot right after they pass away, regardless of how it happened. I guess if we were talking about people who take their own lives, some might call them weak, or label addicts as morons who asked for it... but in a moment like this, you really should show some respect for the deceased and their family and friends. They know what he went through and how he lived way better than any of us ever could. It’s just basic decency—not that many people seem to have heard of etiquette lately. I doubt anyone would be typing out "idiot" if it were their own closest loved one, right?

I'm with you. First off, I'll remember him for his acting, and what he did with his own life is his business. Addiction is a nasty thing, whether it's drugs, alcohol, or anything else. What triggers someone to go back to using after twenty years? Who knows. Only he knows. We can speculate, judge, or label him a junkie, but honestly, what does that change? He's gone. He isn't coming back, and none of this makes things any better for us.

I'd bet my life savings that at least 80% of Hollywood has experimented with some kind of substance.

I'm not sure if he's a role model, but I definitely admire him as an actor. And like anyone else who passes, he deserves respect.

redwolf57 said:Bravo... honestly surprised the OP hasn't reported you to the mods yet (they certainly reported me) 🤣

So, what? You think Jack Nicholson is an addict too? Or is he just the exception?

I haven't reported anyone. You aren't really that interesting, even if you're trying to be. 🙂

A devastating loss for the film industry 😢 but honestly, these endless debates about respect feel quite trivial. At the end of the day, we viewed PSH as an actor rather than a private individual—and as an actor, he was undeniably exceptional, which is an indisputable fact.

Melissa Sanchez16 said:I'm with you. First off, I'll remember him for his acting, and what he did with his own life is his business. Addiction is a nasty thing, whether it's drugs, alcohol, or anything else. What triggers someone to go back to using after twenty years? Who knows. Only he knows. We can speculate, judge, or label him a junkie, but honestly, what does that change? He's gone. He isn't coming back, and none of this makes things any better for us.

I'd bet my life savings that at least 80% of Hollywood has experimented with some kind of substance.

I'm not sure if he's a role model, but I definitely admire him as an actor. And like anyone else who passes, he deserves respect.

Yeah, I get it. Honestly, I don't care what these actors are like behind closed doors—it's not like I'm hanging out with them or anything, so why should I care? My whole point is just that it's such a tragedy when a person ends up like that.

Take Kurt Cobain, for example. To me, he was one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the earth, a total legend, and I have nothing but massive respect for him as an artist. I mean, I absolutely worship him, and Nirvana is easily one of my favorite bands of all time, but as a human being? To me, he's a zero because he left this world in such a stupid, senseless way.

For what reason? Because he got high? Not everyone is such a "strong personality" like you guys. Human psychology is a massive, complex field, and frankly, it’s incredibly distasteful to judge others and their mental state based solely on yourself.

The whole situation regarding drugs is generally just heartbreaking, but who am I to pass judgment on anyone? I'll remember Hoffman as an actor, and that’s where my story ends. Only those who actually knew him personally—his family and close friends—can truly say what kind of man he was.

Not some nameless internet trolls.

cosmiclynx57 said:Yeah, I get it. Honestly, I don't care what these actors are like behind closed doors—it's not like I'm hanging out with them or anything, so why should I care? My whole point is just that it's such a tragedy when a person ends up like that.

Take Kurt Cobain, for example. To me, he was one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the earth, a total legend, and I have nothing but massive respect for him as an artist. I mean, I absolutely worship him, and Nirvana is easily one of my favorite bands of all time, but as a human being? To me, he's a zero because he left this world in such a stupid, senseless way.

That’s his business, not mine. I’m not here to judge him as a person, just as an actor. If I actually knew him personally? Then maybe I’d have an opinion or feel like I had the right to talk trash about him. But it's not just about him—it's about everyone. Why should it be any different for anyone else?

Most of these celebrities have messed around with drugs or booze. So, can we just say they're all fools when they pass away? Take Jack Nicholson, for example.

Personally, I think anyone messing around with drugs is just a total fool, because let’s be real—smart people don't go down that road.

cosmiclynx57 said:Personally, I think anyone messing around with drugs is just a total fool, because let’s be real—smart people don't go down that road.

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So what, smart people don't even touch alcohol? Or is booze somehow less dangerous for your health?

Anyway, back to the topic,

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Melissa Sanchez16 said:That’s his business, not mine. I’m not here to judge him as a person, just as an actor. If I actually knew him personally? Then maybe I’d have an opinion or feel like I had the right to talk trash about him. But it's not just about him—it's about everyone. Why should it be any different for anyone else?

Most of these celebrities have messed around with drugs or booze. So, can we just say they're all fools when they pass away? Take Jack Nicholson, for example.

As far as I know, Nicholson never hid his substance use. The guy was on LSD, cocaine, and weed during his prime throughout the late 60s and all through the 70s. I highly doubt he’s still using today, but even back then, he lived it up in the public eye. Drugs, women—he always did things his own way. Sure, it was foolishness, but that was just his reality.

And what can one even say about this wannabe starlet http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2014/0...ural-star.html



She’s a different breed of idiot. This person won't ever leave behind even 10% of the legacy left by PSH, yet she has the nerve to sit there making comments like this. And when you look at who agrees with her, it's just a bunch of 15 and 16-year-old girls blindly defending their idols.

Carol Myers3 said:As far as I know, Nicholson never hid his substance use. The guy was on LSD, cocaine, and weed during his prime throughout the late 60s and all through the 70s. I highly doubt he’s still using today, but even back then, he lived it up in the public eye. Drugs, women—he always did things his own way. Sure, it was foolishness, but that was just his reality.

And what can one even say about this wannabe starlet http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2014/0...ural-star.html



She’s a different breed of idiot. This person won't ever leave behind even 10% of the legacy left by PSH, yet she has the nerve to sit there making comments like this. And when you look at who agrees with her, it's just a bunch of 15 and 16-year-old girls blindly defending their idols.

Even PSH wasn't hiding it; it's no secret he checked into rehab two years ago to deal with his addiction. Look, most people have tried something, and plenty of them are addicts, just like people say here. Oh, look at him, he's using drugs! 😁

I remember seeing her on a show a few years back mentioning how he had to get a metal implant in his nose because the white powder destroyed his septum. But Jack is a legend to me, no matter what. A great guy, totally charming 😁 and a top-tier actor

I already commented on this regarding the Supernatural thread. Honestly, don't bother arguing against the die-hard fans over there; they'll jump on you instantly, accusing you of having "fake concern."
Like I said before, even if PSH were heavily using, he’d still be leagues ahead of this guy.[/IMG][/I]

Padalecki was just being real about what a whole lot of people are thinking. By saying it, he kind of sparked this debate where people feel like they're judging Hoffman's talent or who he was as a person based on his drug use. Let's set the record straight—it's not about judging. There are really just two things to look at here: his career and how it ended. And yeah, those two things are tied together. People can try to make excuses all they want, but if someone says he died in a really stupid way, that’s just the truth. Just because he was a famous actor doesn't mean we have to gloss over that. No one is trying to diminish his acting or what he achieved. I mean, did people trash James Dean's legacy because he died in a car crash? No. Did they call him foolish for driving a car way too fast that he could barely control? Well, yeah, because it was a foolish move. I've seen Hoffman in some films that people here haven't even heard of (or at least that's my impression), and he was a great actor. But he left us in a really senseless way. It's just a fact...

Honestly, it doesn't matter if the guy was a top-tier actor, a singer, or some high-ranking government official. The point is, someone passed away, and at the end of the day, you show compassion and respect for their family's grief. It’s easy enough to hide behind a screen on some random internet forum and just trash everything and everyone. But, I guess, there's such a thing as basic decency, respect, and sensitivity.

The whole mess regarding drugs, alcohol, suicide, or whatever else they might have put their loved ones through—that's a completely different conversation. That belongs in a totally different debate... on a different thread.