Philip Seymour Hoffman

Carol Myers3 said:As far as I know, Nicholson never hid his substance use. The guy was on LSD, cocaine, and weed during his prime throughout the late 60s and all through the 70s. I highly doubt he’s still using today, but even back then, he lived it up in the public eye. Drugs, women—he always did things his own way. Sure, it was foolishness, but that was just his reality.

And what can one even say about this wannabe starlet http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2014/0...ural-star.html



She’s a different breed of idiot. This person won't ever leave behind even 10% of the legacy left by PSH, yet she has the nerve to sit there making comments like this. And when you look at who agrees with her, it's just a bunch of 15 and 16-year-old girls blindly defending their idols.

What's wrong with telling the truth?

That is exactly my point, Michelle Long6. It really comes down to basic etiquette. We all know he passed away under such tragic, senseless circumstances. Drugs are a plague, especially the harder stuff, but I choose to remember him primarily as an incredible actor who left an indelible mark on the industry with his brilliant performances. Of course, it is deeply saddening that he left us this way, but I cannot wrap my head around someone like Padalecki acting like some wannabe superstar by posting things like this. He hasn't even offered a moment of silence or any real tribute, yet here we are seeing his fan girls elevating him and spreading his "wisdom" across forums as if he were some kind of genius. It is completely distorted. It’s frankly immoral.

There should be some level of respect maintained.

Rachel Turner2 said:What's wrong with telling the truth?

One only needs to glance at his previous posts to see the pattern. Though, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that his little group of fangirls is jumping to his defense.

If you truly cannot perceive the flaws in his statement, then I suspect your own sense of right and wrong might be somewhat skewed.

Just take a look at Michelle Long6's post above.

I honestly couldn't care less about his private drama. I never met the guy in my life, let alone knew him well enough to pass judgment.

To me, he was just an incredible actor. Until he passed, I didn't even realize he had a partner and three kids. If I really wanted to make the case—and I suppose I could—there’s that old correlation between substance use and artistic drive. Some personalities just function that way; for most people, unless they're rare talents, those things are almost essential to stay authentic in their craft. But look, what someone does in their own time is their business. I don't think any of us have the moral high ground to judge anyone else's choices, especially someone we never even met. This isn't a jab at the resident moralists—just a thought.

Props to Jared Padalecki. It’s refreshing to see a (semi) celebrity who isn't afraid to speak their mind. Hoffman was an incredible actor, but the fact—if it's actually true—that he had over a dozen bags of that golden-brown stuff in his apartment points to an intrinsic death wish. A stupid way to go... leaving behind three young kids.

Carol Myers3 said:That is exactly my point, Michelle Long6. It really comes down to basic etiquette. We all know he passed away under such tragic, senseless circumstances. Drugs are a plague, especially the harder stuff, but I choose to remember him primarily as an incredible actor who left an indelible mark on the industry with his brilliant performances. Of course, it is deeply saddening that he left us this way, but I cannot wrap my head around someone like Padalecki acting like some wannabe superstar by posting things like this. He hasn't even offered a moment of silence or any real tribute, yet here we are seeing his fan girls elevating him and spreading his "wisdom" across forums as if he were some kind of genius. It is completely distorted. It’s frankly immoral.

There should be some level of respect maintained.

Yeah, take that "class" and shove it. What kind of etiquette are we talking about when it comes to an addict? He should be called out for what he did. How is he supposed to be some role model for kids when he left his own family behind because of heroin? What kind of message are you fanboys sending to the youth? People like him need to be called out to protect others who might end up just like him. Honestly, both him and you could learn a thing or two.

Rachel Turner2 said:Yeah, take that "class" and shove it. What kind of etiquette are we talking about when it comes to an addict? He should be called out for what he did. How is he supposed to be some role model for kids when he left his own family behind because of heroin? What kind of message are you fanboys sending to the youth? People like him need to be called out to protect others who might end up just like him. Honestly, both him and you could learn a thing or two.

What exactly are we supposed to learn from them? I find it quite embarrassing that you’re sitting there moralizing to others, acting like some wannabe star alongside Padalecki. Sure, decorum is important. But while he's busy criticizing, people are forgetting what a brilliant actor he actually was. He left us in a tragic way, and nobody is disputing that, but the way Padalecki and his circle are handling this is frankly ridiculous. They ought to be the ones teaching us a lesson, 🙄heaven knows how bleak the world would be if they did.

Just get a grip and show at least a shred of respect for the deceased. It's as if he was nothing but absolute trash with zero positive impact.

Good article http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2014...natural-drugs/

The thing is, since we apparently have to spell it out for people like Jared, Philip struggled with an addiction most of his life. Philip wasn't some hasty punk kid who had a little too much fun one time at a party and tragically died because of it. Philip was a smart, talented, 46-year-old man, as well as a father to 3 young children, and to assume that Philip was behaving intentionally recklessly with the lives and hearts of those that had been entrusted to him in his private life is heartless at worst, and moronic at best.

Addiction is a heavy burden, yet here is someone like Padalecki trying to lecture others. Going online to tear apart someone's private life is a low move. I wonder how low someone has to sink to do that, though it isn't surprising given how well he knows how to manage his fanbase and how much they adore him.

In short, Jared, how about this: count the undeserved blessings that have been bestowed upon you, and thank your lucky stars that your children have a father who's going to come home to them tonight. It's called "compassion" -- why not try it out for size?

Carol Myers3 said:What exactly are we supposed to learn from them? I find it quite embarrassing that you’re sitting there moralizing to others, acting like some wannabe star alongside Padalecki. Sure, decorum is important. But while he's busy criticizing, people are forgetting what a brilliant actor he actually was. He left us in a tragic way, and nobody is disputing that, but the way Padalecki and his circle are handling this is frankly ridiculous. They ought to be the ones teaching us a lesson, 🙄heaven knows how bleak the world would be if they did.

Just get a grip and show at least a shred of respect for the deceased. It's as if he was nothing but absolute trash with zero positive impact.

Good article http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2014...natural-drugs/

The thing is, since we apparently have to spell it out for people like Jared, Philip struggled with an addiction most of his life. Philip wasn't some hasty punk kid who had a little too much fun one time at a party and tragically died because of it. Philip was a smart, talented, 46-year-old man, as well as a father to 3 young children, and to assume that Philip was behaving intentionally recklessly with the lives and hearts of those that had been entrusted to him in his private life is heartless at worst, and moronic at best.

Addiction is a heavy burden, yet here is someone like Padalecki trying to lecture others. Going online to tear apart someone's private life is a low move. I wonder how low someone has to sink to do that, though it isn't surprising given how well he knows how to manage his fanbase and how much they adore him.

In short, Jared, how about this: count the undeserved blessings that have been bestowed upon you, and thank your lucky stars that your children have a father who's going to come home to them tonight. It's called "compassion" -- why not try it out for size?

Hypothetical question here—not about Hoffman specifically—but if someone were some kind of violent predator caught in a horrific situation with a child... but they happened to be a legendary actor... shouldn't we stop trashing them and just celebrate their talent instead? Like, just stay quiet out of pure politeness? If that’s how people think, it’s a pretty interesting way to look at things...

Side note; where exactly is Padalecki dragging or degrading Hoffman? The guy is just stating the plain truth—that as a human being (not as an actor), he threw his life away because of drugs. Honestly, he wasn't the first person to do that, and he certainly won't be the last.

Your analogy is fundamentally flawed.

What it is that you, myself, or anyone else knows is that he battled addiction for over twenty years, that he was a truly talented actor, and that he always presented himself with grace and a smile during interviews. That is the reality we recognize. It is frankly distasteful to see someone disparage a deceased individual in the manner that Padalecki does. I am certainly not disputing that his passing was senseless, but I choose to view him as an actor who, over the last two decades, actually contributed something meaningful to the film industry.

In my estimation, the comparison to a pedophile is completely off base. That is just my opinion. If you find it fitting, then fine.

Honestly, Padalecki knows exactly what he’s doing because he understands he has a devoted fanbase of young girls writing to him and following his every move. Every time someone steps up to moralize or cast stones at another person, they realize he knows how to play that game perfectly.

Carol Myers3 said:What exactly are we supposed to learn from them? I find it quite embarrassing that you’re sitting there moralizing to others, acting like some wannabe star alongside Padalecki. Sure, decorum is important. But while he's busy criticizing, people are forgetting what a brilliant actor he actually was. He left us in a tragic way, and nobody is disputing that, but the way Padalecki and his circle are handling this is frankly ridiculous. They ought to be the ones teaching us a lesson, 🙄heaven knows how bleak the world would be if they did.

Just get a grip and show at least a shred of respect for the deceased. It's as if he was nothing but absolute trash with zero positive impact.

Good article http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2014...natural-drugs/

The thing is, since we apparently have to spell it out for people like Jared, Philip struggled with an addiction most of his life. Philip wasn't some hasty punk kid who had a little too much fun one time at a party and tragically died because of it. Philip was a smart, talented, 46-year-old man, as well as a father to 3 young children, and to assume that Philip was behaving intentionally recklessly with the lives and hearts of those that had been entrusted to him in his private life is heartless at worst, and moronic at best.

Addiction is a heavy burden, yet here is someone like Padalecki trying to lecture others. Going online to tear apart someone's private life is a low move. I wonder how low someone has to sink to do that, though it isn't surprising given how well he knows how to manage his fanbase and how much they adore him.

In short, Jared, how about this: count the undeserved blessings that have been bestowed upon you, and thank your lucky stars that your children have a father who's going to come home to them tonight. It's called "compassion" -- why not try it out for size?

It's pretty obvious you're more obsessed with Jared Padalecki than actual decency 🤣

briskhound2 said:Hypothetical question here—not about Hoffman specifically—but if someone were some kind of violent predator caught in a horrific situation with a child... but they happened to be a legendary actor... shouldn't we stop trashing them and just celebrate their talent instead? Like, just stay quiet out of pure politeness? If that’s how people think, it’s a pretty interesting way to look at things...

Side note; where exactly is Padalecki dragging or degrading Hoffman? The guy is just stating the plain truth—that as a human being (not as an actor), he threw his life away because of drugs. Honestly, he wasn't the first person to do that, and he certainly won't be the last.

Of course you wouldn't adore him. I don't admire Hoffman for the kind of man he was. I admire him for his acting. I didn't know him as a person.

It's not about degradation; it's about judging him for his personal choices. But who is he to judge? I doubt he was even close to him. Like you said, he's talking about him as a human being. Honestly, if I actually knew the person, I'd be too embarrassed to write something like that. Who am I to judge?

Rachel Turner2 said:Yeah, take that "class" and shove it. What kind of etiquette are we talking about when it comes to an addict? He should be called out for what he did. How is he supposed to be some role model for kids when he left his own family behind because of heroin? What kind of message are you fanboys sending to the youth? People like him need to be called out to protect others who might end up just like him. Honestly, both him and you could learn a thing or two.

Based on how you're talking, it sounds like you're from a tiny little town.🙂
I'm not even going to comment on the rest, otherwise I'll just end up insulting myself. Just two things: I really wonder if you'd say that if it happened to someone close to you.
And I'm not a fanboy. I don't admire Hoffman as a man, but as an actor, because that's the only version of him I know. Also, you could probably use a lesson in basic manners and maybe some grammar.😉

Carol Myers3 said:Your analogy is fundamentally flawed.

What it is that you, myself, or anyone else knows is that he battled addiction for over twenty years, that he was a truly talented actor, and that he always presented himself with grace and a smile during interviews. That is the reality we recognize. It is frankly distasteful to see someone disparage a deceased individual in the manner that Padalecki does. I am certainly not disputing that his passing was senseless, but I choose to view him as an actor who, over the last two decades, actually contributed something meaningful to the film industry.

In my estimation, the comparison to a pedophile is completely off base. That is just my opinion. If you find it fitting, then fine.

Honestly, Padalecki knows exactly what he’s doing because he understands he has a devoted fanbase of young girls writing to him and following his every move. Every time someone steps up to moralize or cast stones at another person, they realize he knows how to play that game perfectly.

Not even slightly. I just forgot to mention that, theoretically, our guy hangs himself in a cell.

What we know—what I, you, or anyone else knows—is that he fought addiction for over 20 years, that he was a top-tier actor, and that he was always charming and upbeat in interviews. That’s the reality. And then people start talking trash about a deceased person just like Padalecki is doing. I'm not disputing that he left this world in a stupid way, but I look at him as an actor who actually managed to make something meaningful for the film industry over those last two decades.

Padalecki isn't trashing the actor at all. He just said it was stupid to throw life away for drugs. What’s so dramatic about that statement? Is he making stuff up? Well, like I said, pedophilia is also a disease. Let's say our theoretical subject struggled with that for twenty years too. Do we stay quiet about it, or do we bring it up?

In my opinion, the pedophile analogy is completely off base. That's just how I see it. If it works for you, fine.

Oh, wait—I still haven't gotten an answer to that. I guess the standards would be different then.

Man, Padalecki knows exactly what he's doing because he knows he has those fans out there who adore him, writing to him and all that. And every once in a while, someone comes along to moralize or spit on someone else. He knows how to play that game perfectly.

As someone already pointed out through pure deduction, it seems like Sam Winchester himself bothers you more than what was actually said.

Melissa Sanchez16 said:Of course you wouldn't adore him. I don't admire Hoffman for the kind of man he was. I admire him for his acting. I didn't know him as a person.

It's not about degradation; it's about judging him for his personal choices. But who is he to judge? I doubt he was even close to him. Like you said, he's talking about him as a human being. Honestly, if I actually knew the person, I'd be too embarrassed to write something like that. Who am I to judge?

Based on how you're talking, it sounds like you're from a tiny little town.🙂
I'm not even going to comment on the rest, otherwise I'll just end up insulting myself. Just two things: I really wonder if you'd say that if it happened to someone close to you.
And I'm not a fanboy. I don't admire Hoffman as a man, but as an actor, because that's the only version of him I know. Also, you could probably use a lesson in basic manners and maybe some grammar.😉

This keeps coming up... Yeah, I've been there. A friend of mine took his own life and left behind a wife and two kids. I said it was a stupid, cowardly move, regardless of whatever problems he was facing. And nobody branded me a heretic for saying it. In fact, his own family agreed. It wasn't that we were ignoring his pain or his struggles, but the final takeaway was that it was a cowardly way to escape his problems. Normal people deal with that reality every single day. It's just when actors are involved that everyone suddenly takes this high-and-mighty moral ground.

briskhound2 said:Not even slightly. I just forgot to mention that, theoretically, our guy hangs himself in a cell.

What we know—what I, you, or anyone else knows—is that he fought addiction for over 20 years, that he was a top-tier actor, and that he was always charming and upbeat in interviews. That’s the reality. And then people start talking trash about a deceased person just like Padalecki is doing. I'm not disputing that he left this world in a stupid way, but I look at him as an actor who actually managed to make something meaningful for the film industry over those last two decades.

Padalecki isn't trashing the actor at all. He just said it was stupid to throw life away for drugs. What’s so dramatic about that statement? Is he making stuff up? Well, like I said, pedophilia is also a disease. Let's say our theoretical subject struggled with that for twenty years too. Do we stay quiet about it, or do we bring it up?

In my opinion, the pedophile analogy is completely off base. That's just how I see it. If it works for you, fine.

Oh, wait—I still haven't gotten an answer to that. I guess the standards would be different then.

Man, Padalecki knows exactly what he's doing because he knows he has those fans out there who adore him, writing to him and all that. And every once in a while, someone comes along to moralize or spit on someone else. He knows how to play that game perfectly.

As someone already pointed out through pure deduction, it seems like Sam Winchester himself bothers you more than what was actually said.

This keeps coming up... Yeah, I've been there. A friend of mine took his own life and left behind a wife and two kids. I said it was a stupid, cowardly move, regardless of whatever problems he was facing. And nobody branded me a heretic for saying it. In fact, his own family agreed. It wasn't that we were ignoring his pain or his struggles, but the final takeaway was that it was a cowardly way to escape his problems. Normal people deal with that reality every single day. It's just when actors are involved that everyone suddenly takes this high-and-mighty moral ground.

Look, the analogy fails here because a predator causes direct harm to others. It’s perfectly justified to be outraged by him.
Jared Padalecki isn't wrong. Throwing your life away over drugs is just heartless and plain stupid.

However, this comment:

Eric Patel7 said:I really respected him as an actor. There's no denying he had massive talent—but honestly? I'm not going to sit here and say I'm mourning his passing. He might have been a great actor, but given how he went out, I think most people are just going to remember him as a jerk.

He’s clueless. Especially when he goes bold.

briskhound2, come on, just stop it, please. I don't believe a single word of this story about your friend for one second. It feels way too convenient, almost scripted.

Addiction is a brutal, heavy disease. This man fought that battle for over twenty years, and now people are choosing to jump on him? It’s honestly pathetic.

Bradley Ramos11 said:Look, the analogy fails here because a predator causes direct harm to others. It’s perfectly justified to be outraged by him.
Jared Padalecki isn't wrong. Throwing your life away over drugs is just heartless and plain stupid.

However, this comment:

He’s clueless. Especially when he goes bold.

What about an addict? They hurt their families, their friends, everyone they know... Sure, superstars have enough cash that they aren't out there stealing things just to survive, but doesn't that still cause massive damage to the people close to them? I honestly think Hoffman's family and kids would say they suffered through it too—and in the end, they’re probably the ones left holding the bag.

briskhound2 said:Not even slightly. I just forgot to mention that, theoretically, our guy hangs himself in a cell.

What we know—what I, you, or anyone else knows—is that he fought addiction for over 20 years, that he was a top-tier actor, and that he was always charming and upbeat in interviews. That’s the reality. And then people start talking trash about a deceased person just like Padalecki is doing. I'm not disputing that he left this world in a stupid way, but I look at him as an actor who actually managed to make something meaningful for the film industry over those last two decades.

Padalecki isn't trashing the actor at all. He just said it was stupid to throw life away for drugs. What’s so dramatic about that statement? Is he making stuff up? Well, like I said, pedophilia is also a disease. Let's say our theoretical subject struggled with that for twenty years too. Do we stay quiet about it, or do we bring it up?

In my opinion, the pedophile analogy is completely off base. That's just how I see it. If it works for you, fine.

Oh, wait—I still haven't gotten an answer to that. I guess the standards would be different then.

Man, Padalecki knows exactly what he's doing because he knows he has those fans out there who adore him, writing to him and all that. And every once in a while, someone comes along to moralize or spit on someone else. He knows how to play that game perfectly.

As someone already pointed out through pure deduction, it seems like Sam Winchester himself bothers you more than what was actually said.

This keeps coming up... Yeah, I've been there. A friend of mine took his own life and left behind a wife and two kids. I said it was a stupid, cowardly move, regardless of whatever problems he was facing. And nobody branded me a heretic for saying it. In fact, his own family agreed. It wasn't that we were ignoring his pain or his struggles, but the final takeaway was that it was a cowardly way to escape his problems. Normal people deal with that reality every single day. It's just when actors are involved that everyone suddenly takes this high-and-mighty moral ground.

But you can't say it's the same thing. I've lost two close people to suicide—both by hanging. To me, an overdose and suicide are two different worlds. Hoffman didn't set out to end his life because he was "done" with everything. He struggled with this his whole life and sought treatment, but addiction just won. I doubt he actually wanted to die; he even said back when he was younger that he knew he wouldn't amount to anything if he kept using. This was likely just a momentary escape from his problems. I'm not condoning it, but I get it. Drug use among celebrities isn't some rare occurrence. It happens all the time. Think about Picasso, Angelina Jolie, Depp, RDJ, or Kurt Cobain.

Carol Myers3 said:briskhound2, come on, just stop it, please. I don't believe a single word of this story about your friend for one second. It feels way too convenient, almost scripted.

Addiction is a brutal, heavy disease. This man fought that battle for over twenty years, and now people are choosing to jump on him? It’s honestly pathetic.

Just go back and look at my old posts if you don't believe me—I was talking about this stuff even three years ago. It's all right there for anyone to see. 😉

This whole witch hunt against Jared Padalecki feels like they're treating him like he violated human rights. We all have our own perspectives, and he simply voiced what I believe to be true, even if the timing was awkward given how much his passing is still shocking everyone...

I can only tip my hat to Philip Seymour Hoffman for his performances. It applies to this actor or anyone else, really—in an age where we know everything about addiction, choosing to use heroin in your late forties when you have three kids at home is, in my view, just selfish and weak...

I suspect there are others who agree with Jared, they just won't say it out loud to avoid the bad publicity. I have more respect for those who are willing to be blunt and honest...

Is throwing your life away over drugs in your forties, while having a family counting on you, senseless and foolish? Absolutely...

Ten of his most iconic performances...

Joseph Clark37 said:This whole witch hunt against Jared Padalecki feels like they're treating him like he violated human rights. We all have our own perspectives, and he simply voiced what I believe to be true, even if the timing was awkward given how much his passing is still shocking everyone...

I can only tip my hat to Philip Seymour Hoffman for his performances. It applies to this actor or anyone else, really—in an age where we know everything about addiction, choosing to use heroin in your late forties when you have three kids at home is, in my view, just selfish and weak...

I suspect there are others who agree with Jared, they just won't say it out loud to avoid the bad publicity. I have more respect for those who are willing to be blunt and honest...

Is throwing your life away over drugs in your forties, while having a family counting on you, senseless and foolish? Absolutely...

Of course it is.

You have to realize this isn't his first rodeo.

And calling someone weak because of it... honestly, why bother?

You seem to value blunt honesty, but personally? I prefer people who don't lecture or judge others when they only know them through a few lines typed online.

Ten of his best roles...

He wasn't in The Hunger Games.