Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

chani said:Not everyone thinks that way,
there are bigger things in life than that...

Sure, money... doesn't matter if it's US dollars or some Qatari riyal...
😁 😁

sara4 said:I'm reading you, but let’s be real here: which AMERICAN athletes were you actually thinking of when you lumped Dzomb, Dražen Petrović, and Ljubicic into the same category as Draganja? Weren't you really referring to athletes from much more obscure sports?

Don't bother
No matter what you write or how you phrase the question—it's clear they haven't actually read it.
Just keep doing your thing. Honestly, the only solution is to just ignore them.👍

Honestly, I’m just glad we’re talking about Draganja, who is such an overrated, overhyped mess... I can only wish him the best of luck out there! 👎It didn't surprise me one bit, really. 🙂
Actually, it’s probably for the best that he made that move, because now he’s basically kicked the door wide open for this whole trend of downplaying incredible achievements here in America. In this country, it feels like the only ways to actually get ahead are to be a pro athlete, a career politician, or someone selling themselves—every other profession is just treated like a joke...

It’s all about devaluing everyone else—all those professionals who actually show up, play fair, and are absolute masters of their craft, let alone being exceptional at what they do...

Then you have these people, always scrambling to find some sort of excuse for Duje...

But honestly, who can really blame them when they refuse to look at the facts right in front of their faces? 🙏

From what I’ve been reading—at least 70% of this board is just taking shots at Draganja.
It’s funny how that percentage drops to almost nothing whenever anyone brings up Bilos.🙄

shadowjackal88 said:Talking about how everyone else is being devalued or called unsportsmanlike, despite being professionals who excel in their fields...

It’s usually those looking for any excuse to defend Duje...

But really, whose fault is it when they refuse to see the obvious? 🙏

And how can we be certain some of them wouldn't just trade in their citizenship for a massive payday? We're talking serious money—a few years of work and you're set for life.

I honestly don't understand why the heat is being directed at those of us who are simply defending him. 🤔

Roose Bolton said:He’s basically throwing away something people consider sacred just for some pathetic $500,000.

Man, go back and read that again. Seriously.

I gotta say, I’m pretty bummed out by how some people are reacting here. Like, honestly? It’s not even surprising that Duje did what he did. Seeing everyone acting all shocked is just... man, it's disappointing.

Look, I’ve seen a few people in here making some pretty sharp points, basically saying Duje sold himself short for peanuts. And honestly? Yeah, I'm with them. If you're actually capable of walking away with half a million bucks, more power to you. I mean, seriously, props to him. But I don't just look at this through a sports lens. You gotta look at the politics behind it, too. It reminds me of how things were back when the country was fighting for its life—there were always plenty of people who couldn't care less about the homeland. Don't even get me started. Most of them were tucked away safely in Germany or somewhere just as far from the actual front lines. They weren't exactly stepping up when it mattered.

Man, Duje, you really stepped in it this time!! Seriously, what was the play there? This guy already had it made. All he had to do was keep his head down, stay in the gym, and let the training pay off—he would’ve walked away with all that massive money himself. But no, he just couldn't wait around for the big payday and decided to sell out instead. Such a waste.
Honestly, man, even if I was handed a mountain of cash, it wouldn't mean a thing to me if I knew I didn't earn it through my own damn grit. Like, what's the point? If you didn't build it yourself, it just feels hollow, you know? It’s like winning a trophy by accident instead of actually sweating for it on the field. Money's cool and all, but without that personal win? It’s just paper.

Roose Bolton🙏 🙏 🙏
If you ask me, my big piece of advice to the government would be this: start requiring a visa for every single time he shows up in the States. Honestly, he and any regular American aren't even on the same level anymore. He’s a citizen of another country, plain and simple! It's like expecting someone who lives in London to follow the exact same local rules as someone from Chicago without any extra checks. At some point, you gotta draw a line between citizens and foreign nationals.

Look, I’m just going to say it, so feel free to tear me apart if you want.

When Monica Seles switched over to represent the USA, I found myself still rooting for her like she was one of our own. The thing is, she wasn't even American to begin with. (And before anyone asks, I’m not some nostalgic dreamer clinging to the past.)

If you think Duje was, and still is, a complete jerk—which is what some of those personal life details mentioned here seem to suggest—fine, I can get behind that. But why on earth were you all cheering for that jerk in the first place? Is the color of a flag really more important to you than the actual person? If it is, then you're just as bad as he is, just in a different way. 👎

sara4 said:I get what you're trying to say, but honestly, your arguments are pretty weak, which kind of makes the whole point fall apart. Since Dzomba, Balic, and Drazen Petrovic aren't even in the same league as Draganja, using them as examples just doesn't work. So, come on, give me some athletes from niche sports who are actually good enough that a place like Qatar or whatever else would throw a massive deal at them like they did for Draganja. It’s a total mystery why journalists haven't dug up some story about, I don't know, the Skelin brothers being offered $2,000,000 by Saudi Arabia to go rowing for them... hmm, maybe because an offer like that never even existed?!

I mean, Balic would definitely take it since he was literally named the best player in the world!!
And I'm sure Janica and Ivica probably had plenty of offers too, they just didn't want to go that route!! Now they've made way more money just by putting in the work and grinding through training!!

Some guy wrote that he has to train 25 hours a week and stare at a pool!! Poor guy, right? But seriously, what's a normal person supposed to need when they're working at least 40 hours a week?

One thing though—it's a different story when someone is actually broke, but the US already gave Duje a ton of cash, and it's safe to assume he was already set with that $500,000. That money probably won't change his life much because he's going to earn way, way more than that later on anyway.

Daniel Chavez14 said:Look, I’m just gonna say it, and you guys can totally rip me apart for it.

Back when Monica Seles switched over to represent the USA, I was still pulling for her like she was one of our own. Except, she wasn't even American to begin with. (And before you ask, I'm not some old-school nostalgic for the old country either.)

If you think Duje is—and always was—a total sellout (especially looking at those personal drama snippets people keep bringing up here), fine, I can get behind that. But then why were you all cheering for that same sellout in the first place? Is the color of a flag really more important than the actual human being? If it is, then you're just as bad, just in a different way. 👎

We cheered for him because we cheered for anyone from our neck of the woods playing for our national team!!
I don't support what he did!! I'm not even mad at him personally—it's his call—but I think it's pretty spineless!! I have zero respect for anyone who sells out for a paycheck and jumps ship to another country!! I mean, think about it: the home country invested in you, helped train you and everything, and now you act like a complete stranger and move away!!
He can go to Qatar for all I care, but if he ever wants to come back to the States, he can deal with the visa process like everyone else!! That's just how I see it!!

Because you just can't compare a guy who turned his back on his own country for cash to someone who actually fought in the war for us!!
Say what you want, but they aren't the same, and that's why I can't justify his move!

rustystag7 said:First off, this country invested heavily in you through your education, and now you’re acting like some big-shot international star and just abandoning us for another nation!!

If he actually moves to Qatar, I honestly think Duje owes our people some kind of compensation. Maybe that would settle the score on this issue. 🙂

rustystag7 said:Some idiot wrote he has to train 25 hours a week and stare at a pool!! Poor guy, right? Like, tell me, what does a regular person working at least 40 hours a week even need to be given???

Look, a regular person has a steady job, pays into social security, and actually builds a retirement fund. Athletes don't have that setup (unless they're paying into it themselves), not to mention the constant threat of injury. Just imagine if Lance got hit by some truck or car while training. Everything goes to hell instantly.

Get your head out of your ass for a second and look at how much EFFECTIVE work he’s actually putting in. You don't even have 40 hours to call your own.

The guy is SWIMMING constantly, PLUS massages, plus all those different treatments, plus recovery time, etc..

And obviously he’s gonna need a visa since, theoretically, he’s a foreign national. Who even said he was getting special status? Because if you didn't know, rest is part of the training too.

And another thing—the government didn't create him; his coach and his own damn hard work did.

And now we're really going to bring up veterans and compare them to this? Veterans made a choice to go to war. Okay, guys, you went to war. War brings its own stuff—trauma, sacrifices, blame, and a whole lot more... That’s just war. But that is a completely different conversation entirely.

It’s funny how everyone starts cheering when one swimmer heads to Qatar, but when AT&T was trying to sell itself to a foreign country, all the cowards were staying home...

copperpuma96 said:Hmm... A gladiatorial approach to sports? Look, the moment someone decides to take that step and turn pro, they accept certain realities as part of the game. That includes things like doping, fixed matches, backroom deals, and profit sharing. It’s true—sports is essentially modern-day gladiatorial combat; almost everyone realizes that.

Don't we train business students to become highly specialized professionals just so they can be more marketable? It's the exact same thing. They sell themselves to the New York Yankees, the Orlando Magic, Ericsson, Sony, or even Qatar.

University professors train students to acquire knowledge they'll use to find employment (a source of income), just as coaches train kids to be better so they can land bigger contracts.

Pure enjoyment of a sport only exists in amateurism. People who go for group rides around Mount Rainier, hike through the Rockies, or go spearfishing—they truly enjoy it because it isn't the ONLY thing they know how to do. It's a hobby; it relaxes them and provides an escape from daily life. Professionals live off this, and that dictates their mindset.

And why did it come to this? Because of people like you and me. We are the ones pushing the boundaries. The masses demand better, more, faster, stronger. Because of us, the Olympics exist; because of us, World Championships are held, because we provide the money. We watch, we watch the sponsors, we buy what the athletes wear... You see, it all revolves around money. It's not just a cliché to say money makes the world go round.

I completely understand your bitterness, but try to understand Duje's decision.

Let me start from the end. I get Duje's decision, but don't expect anyone to applaud or approve of it. Not just because of our flag and anthem—which I think a person owes loyalty to for the simple reason that it's ours, not because it handed them a million dollars. Call me stupid if you want, but that's how I feel. Furthermore, Duje's choice undermines the very sporting spirit that draws people to watch swimming at the Olympics or World Championships. There's no doubt that more money and glamour—and perhaps more swimmers—would attract a championship where Duje swims for Mercedes, Thorpe swims for Nike, and Hoogenband swims for some Russian oligarch's colors. A championship packed with cash but devoid of any tension or soul. But who would want to celebrate a world champion who is only thrilled by the suitcase of money waiting for the winner? Screw a champion like that. We want a champion who sheds a tear when their national anthem starts playing. No one would watch that, and no one would care.

And that's the second reason (the order doesn't matter) why I consider Duje's decision bad: for him, for swimming, and for America. He'll keep pushing until he breaks. And he will break.

Finally, why isn't a top-tier swimmer the same as a top-tier accountant or financial expert? Put it this way: if a million people watched a live broadcast of accountants doing "their own thing"—actually performing accounting—then accountants would be national heroes and swimmers would be the butt of the joke. Imagine an excited commentator describing the lightning speed at which some guy from a small town in Ohio punches numbers into Excel. Or in the discipline of calculator racing, simply outperforming the competition in typing speed... I mean, they aren't the same thing.

P.S. I won't dwell on the idea that doping and match-fixing are implied in professional sports. That's just crime, not sport.

As far as I'm concerned, he’s sold his soul... How can you play around like that with the country that paid for your education, gave you scholarships, and lined your pockets with sponsors? And now he wants even more?? Who's to blame because he wasn't born in the USA or some other wealthy nation? He should be proud to swim for the USA and represent our colors... Duje, if you actually leave, they should probably ban you from ever setting foot back in the States....

Honestly, how many of you people criticizing Duje have actually sat in the stands to watch him swim, let alone followed his career internationally? If you haven't traveled 500 miles or more just to cheer him on, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on. Even the sponsors—of which there are incredibly few—have more right to complain than the armchair experts.
Look at the pros: football players, Janica, basketball stars, tennis pros... they all make enough bank that switching passports doesn't even cross their minds. Oh, wait, I forgot—they’re all very busy paying their taxes in places like Monaco.
Duje brought home a mountain of medals for the USA, did a massive amount of promotional work, and got paid peanuts for it. Most of you have no clue how he actually lives or who's helping him out while he's over in the States; you don't want to know, you just want to vent your own frustrations. If any of you "patriots" were offered a mediocre, middle-of-the-road paycheck after the first offer came in, you'd be halfway out the door too.
It’s always easy to talk trash when it isn't your life on the line.

chani said:Not everyone feels that way.
There are bigger things to worry about in life. Does it really matter if my citizenship is in the USA, Ireland, or even Mars?

Hey there.
If this is irrelevant, feel free to hand back your passport and go looking for someone else's documents. Maybe you'll have better luck in Malawi or Swaziland.
Maybe then you'll finally grasp what it actually means to have your own country.

rapidbison42 said:Maybe then you'll actually get what it means to have your own damn country.

Give me a break. Clearly you've never dealt with any actual, real-world problems. The government's out here fighting for you just so they can fleece you until you're dead.

quietcobra30 said:How many of you critics have actually watched Duje compete on our home turf, let alone against international swimmers? Who has traveled 1,000 miles or more just to cheer him on? Those people have a right to an opinion. As for his sponsors—there are very few of them—they’re the ones who can afford to criticize him.
Footballers, Janica, basketball players, tennis pros... they all make massive amounts of money, so why would they bother changing their passports? Oh, right. Because they pay their taxes in Monaco and places like that.
Duje brought a mountain of medals to the USA; he did plenty for promotion but received very little in return. Most people have no clue how he lives or who supports him while he's in the States. They don't want to know; they just want to vent their frustrations. After the first mediocre offer for a mediocre job, most of you "patriots" would have jumped ship too.
It's easy to talk trash when it isn't your life on the line.

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My take? Let him go. I wish him nothing but the best.
I just want this country to remember that Duje Draganja is someone who traded his citizenship for cash, choosing to become a Qatari with an Arabic name. We should treat him accordingly in the future.
The kid better wait patiently in the visa line at the consulate in Doha, hoping it actually works out.
As for Draganja (Mustafi? Ibrahim? Ismail?), I just hope he makes as much money as possible and maybe finds himself a harem of stunning women.

And remember... the day he accepts that Qatari citizenship, Duje Draganja officially ceases to exist. Just like Richard Cheron.

Just remember... the second he bags that katarski citizenship, Duje Draganja is officially history. Just like Richard Cheron.

and honestly, that's the part that really gets to me...