How to fix Kyphosis and improve posture?

Sean Bailey75 said:So, what exactly do you do? How do you go about fixing a hunched back?

A classic approach means someone gets educated, studies, and learns; after that, they spend years working under a trainer, teacher, or mentor, and only after even more years do they begin to act independently. Some call it a school, some call it college, some call it an academy, or just training, but most principles are rooted in science. I've heard you are a good nutritionist, so I assume you finished a degree or something similar. If you aren't working via the Feldenkrais method that your advocate here mentioned, where did this knowledge or qualification regarding posture correction come from?

This is getting a bit concerning because "differentiation" is a term that already exists and signifies something entirely different in science. It might have been understandable if you called it the Nicole Ross method if you arrived at these conclusions independently—though even then, you'd risk being compared to the methods of Ante Pavlovic. But reading you now, it seems you've described what your method *isn't*, yet you haven't shown what the method actually *IS* or where this wisdom originates. Would you be so kind as to briefly describe what you do, how you conduct the exercises, and where your qualifications come from?

Just so it makes sense to me, since it feels like we aren't understanding one another. And likely, there are others curious about this too, wanting to know specifically what YOUR differentiation entails and how it helps correct posture.

Sean, this conversation isn't going anywhere. If you want to know what that looks like, just book a session with someone to get centered or differentiated, or whatever it is.

If anyone reading this nonsense thread actually has postural problems, their condition will probably worsen just from reading it.🤣

To help people generally improve their awareness and learn the mechanics of achieving proper posture, I would recommend 'Becoming a supple leopard' and mobilitywod by Kelly Starret, along with 'Stretching and flexibility' and stretch therapy by Kit Laughlin.

urbanwalker72 said:Sean, this conversation isn't going anywhere. If you want to know what that looks like, just book a session with someone to get centered or differentiated, or whatever it is.

If anyone reading this nonsense thread actually has postural problems, their condition will probably worsen just from reading it.🤣

To help people generally improve their awareness and learn the mechanics of achieving proper posture, I would recommend 'Becoming a supple leopard' and mobilitywod by Kelly Starret, along with 'Stretching and flexibility' and stretch therapy by Kit Laughlin.

Yeah, based on the info here, it looks like there won't be anything useful coming out of it. And man, I was really hoping I'd finally see something fresh and original in this world for once... 😁 You make a fair point about reading this stuff; I think I'll go do something smarter with my time instead. 😁

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...ype=blogs&_r=0

Sean Bailey75 said:So, what exactly do you do? How do you go about fixing a hunched back?

A classic approach means someone gets educated, studies, and learns; after that, they spend years working under a trainer, teacher, or mentor, and only after even more years do they begin to act independently. Some call it a school, some call it college, some call it an academy, or just training, but most principles are rooted in science. I've heard you are a good nutritionist, so I assume you finished a degree or something similar. If you aren't working via the Feldenkrais method that your advocate here mentioned, where did this knowledge or qualification regarding posture correction come from?

This is getting a bit concerning because "differentiation" is a term that already exists and signifies something entirely different in science. It might have been understandable if you called it the Nicole Ross method if you arrived at these conclusions independently—though even then, you'd risk being compared to the methods of Ante Pavlovic. But reading you now, it seems you've described what your method *isn't*, yet you haven't shown what the method actually *IS* or where this wisdom originates. Would you be so kind as to briefly describe what you do, how you conduct the exercises, and where your qualifications come from?

Just so it makes sense to me, since it feels like we aren't understanding one another. And likely, there are others curious about this too, wanting to know specifically what YOUR differentiation entails and how it helps correct posture.

Answer 1
The whole point of differentiation is to overcome the subconscious muscle tension that we deal with during therapy. The root of that tension is SMA. Because of that, you get slow, but significant and lasting changes in the perception of posture and movement across all levels involving those muscles or muscle groups. They cause constant tension that we just get used to—we don't even notice it anymore—until eventually, we start noticing the consequences in the form of chronic pain and worn-out joints.
It makes the muscles hypertonic. Since they are tense all the time as part of the process, they create lactic acid, which makes them sensitive—and in stronger or longer-lasting cases, painful. These tensions are unconscious, unnecessary, and persistent. They stem from subconscious parts of the brain. The focus of therapy is to teach the person how to regain sensory awareness over the muscles that are subconsciously tense. That way, they regain conscious control over the portion of movement they lost due to SMA.

Answer 2.
It would be nice if you could stop repeating that I'm a good nutritionist, because honestly, I have no idea where you heard that. I don't practice nutrition, nor have I ever taught anyone. Also, Kolinda mentioned Feldenkrais on January 19, 2014—which was before she even attended her first session with me—so there's no way she knew how I work. As for the answer to what I actually do, please refer to Answer No. 1. The client performs the exercises, not me. And as for my qualifications? I earned them by successfully resolving "unsolvable" and idiopathic diagnoses in my clients. It would be pretty strange if I were trying to solve their problems using the methods of those "classic" practitioners you described above—people who didn't get results or actually made things worse.

Answer 3

Please, don't worry about me—worrying creates contraction in the front of the body, and if that happens repeatedly, that contraction becomes conscious. You'd end up with SMA yourself, which would mean you'd have to strengthen your back and do abdominal stretching, and your money would basically vanish into thin air for a few months. You likely have much more important things to do than that, besides, you really need a professional to supervise back strengthening so you don't end up injured. Because, let's face it, everyone is their own worst trainer.
I’ve laid out what I do and how I do it more times than I can count—but clearly, it’s just not sinking in. And honestly? That’s fine. Neither of us needs to lose sleep over it. As for those questions you asked at the end, I already covered them in response 2.

Response 4.
Since you all seem so incredibly fascinated by my methods, here’s a suggestion: why don't you sign up for three sessions, run through the exact exercises I teach, and then write a glowing review on this thread? You could tell everyone firsthand just how "revolutionary" this physical therapy is—and how it has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than reaching straight into the pockets of naive people.

My next opening is April 8th at 1:00 PM, so let me know if you want in. Interestingly enough, Elvan Abeylegesse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvan_Abeylegesse ) is coming in for therapy at 3:00 PM that same day. You could always chat with her about her experience—this will be her fourth session, after all—and maybe grab a photo with her for Facebook.
It might just be the best 50 bucks you ever spend.
P.S. Since you clearly consider yourself so well-informed, perhaps you should ask Mr. Khalid Nasif, that physical therapist from Termi Čatež—assuming he’s actually qualified enough to be a relevant reference—what he thinks about differentiation and whether he’s even heard of it.

Nicole Ross said:Answer 1
The whole point of differentiation is to overcome the subconscious muscle tension that we deal with during therapy. The root of that tension is SMA. Because of that, you get slow, but significant and lasting changes in the perception of posture and movement across all levels involving those muscles or muscle groups. They cause constant tension that we just get used to—we don't even notice it anymore—until eventually, we start noticing the consequences in the form of chronic pain and worn-out joints.
It makes the muscles hypertonic. Since they are tense all the time as part of the process, they create lactic acid, which makes them sensitive—and in stronger or longer-lasting cases, painful. These tensions are unconscious, unnecessary, and persistent. They stem from subconscious parts of the brain. The focus of therapy is to teach the person how to regain sensory awareness over the muscles that are subconsciously tense. That way, they regain conscious control over the portion of movement they lost due to SMA.

Answer 2.
It would be nice if you could stop repeating that I'm a good nutritionist, because honestly, I have no idea where you heard that. I don't practice nutrition, nor have I ever taught anyone. Also, Kolinda mentioned Feldenkrais on January 19, 2014—which was before she even attended her first session with me—so there's no way she knew how I work. As for the answer to what I actually do, please refer to Answer No. 1. The client performs the exercises, not me. And as for my qualifications? I earned them by successfully resolving "unsolvable" and idiopathic diagnoses in my clients. It would be pretty strange if I were trying to solve their problems using the methods of those "classic" practitioners you described above—people who didn't get results or actually made things worse.

Answer 3

Please, don't worry about me—worrying creates contraction in the front of the body, and if that happens repeatedly, that contraction becomes conscious. You'd end up with SMA yourself, which would mean you'd have to strengthen your back and do abdominal stretching, and your money would basically vanish into thin air for a few months. You likely have much more important things to do than that, besides, you really need a professional to supervise back strengthening so you don't end up injured. Because, let's face it, everyone is their own worst trainer.
I’ve laid out what I do and how I do it more times than I can count—but clearly, it’s just not sinking in. And honestly? That’s fine. Neither of us needs to lose sleep over it. As for those questions you asked at the end, I already covered them in response 2.

Response 4.
Since you all seem so incredibly fascinated by my methods, here’s a suggestion: why don't you sign up for three sessions, run through the exact exercises I teach, and then write a glowing review on this thread? You could tell everyone firsthand just how "revolutionary" this physical therapy is—and how it has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than reaching straight into the pockets of naive people.

My next opening is April 8th at 1:00 PM, so let me know if you want in. Interestingly enough, Elvan Abeylegesse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvan_Abeylegesse ) is coming in for therapy at 3:00 PM that same day. You could always chat with her about her experience—this will be her fourth session, after all—and maybe grab a photo with her for Facebook.
It might just be the best 50 bucks you ever spend.
P.S. Since you clearly consider yourself so well-informed, perhaps you should ask Mr. Khalid Nasif, that physical therapist from Termi Čatež—assuming he’s actually qualified enough to be a relevant reference—what he thinks about differentiation and whether he’s even heard of it.

I took a look at her case study and I have to say, I'm genuinely impressed.
Her posture was noticeably corrected in just a few days.
That obvious Hyperlordosis was fixed—you can see how much better her hip, chest, abdominal, and neck alignment looks now. And all in just a matter of days.
There's also this new, relaxed expression paired with much more upright posture.
Plus, you can really see in those final photos how much taller a person appears once their back and spine are actually aligned.🙂
..so if anyone dealing with a hunched back wants to see what's possible, here's the example:

rustybadger42 said:I took a look at her case study and I have to say, I'm genuinely impressed.
Her posture was noticeably corrected in just a few days.
That obvious Hyperlordosis was fixed—you can see how much better her hip, chest, abdominal, and neck alignment looks now. And all in just a matter of days.
There's also this new, relaxed expression paired with much more upright posture.
Plus, you can really see in those final photos how much taller a person appears once their back and spine are actually aligned.🙂
..so if anyone dealing with a hunched back wants to see what's possible, here's the example:

I agree. Especially if what she claims is actually true.

A bad posture being visibly rehabilitated in just a few days.
An obvious case of Hyperlordosis has been corrected; you can see the alignment of the hips, chest, abdomen, and neck has stabilized. And all of this happened in mere days.

Give it another day or two and perhaps the forward head posture will resolve itself as well.

In my view, achieving these results in such a short window isn't just standard physical therapy. It’s nothing short of a miracle. If someone could consistently produce these kinds of transformations for anyone, they would be making far more than a local healer in Medjugorje.

Watching this video isn't going to kill anyone 🙂

urbanwalker72 said:I agree. Especially if what she claims is actually true.

A bad posture being visibly rehabilitated in just a few days.
An obvious case of Hyperlordosis has been corrected; you can see the alignment of the hips, chest, abdomen, and neck has stabilized. And all of this happened in mere days.

Give it another day or two and perhaps the forward head posture will resolve itself as well.

In my view, achieving these results in such a short window isn't just standard physical therapy. It’s nothing short of a miracle. If someone could consistently produce these kinds of transformations for anyone, they would be making far more than a local healer in Medjugorje.

It isn't true,
I'm just really good at Photoshop :-)

Actually, her head hasn't been like that since she was little—mostly because she mentioned her parents have the exact same posture. As a kid, she just imitated them, and it became baked into her system much deeper than any injury or overtraining would. Those things happened much later in life, long after her movement patterns were already established and simply forgotten. She didn't "forget" how to hold her head; she learned it wrong during that critical window between ages 1 and 5 when the human body defines its sensorimotor patterns and neural connections. But the reason she came to see me was unbearable pain in her hips and legs, which made hitting normal race times impossible. It all hit a breaking point last Saturday during a half marathon in Copenhagen, and her doctor prescribed six weeks of strict rest followed by cycling.
That’s why she showed up earlier than planned. She’ll be back in two months, and then we’ll tackle the head posture, since that isn't the primary issue right now.

Of course it isn't physical therapy.
She's been trying to find relief with traditional methods for the last three years, but without much luck. And it’s not a "miracle"—it’s just a deeper understanding of how the human body and mind actually work. You can read about that on my site to understand why the results are so fast and lasting. This can be done for anyone with a functional CNS who doesn't have fresh, unaddressed trauma—provided they actually want to do the work. This isn't classic bodywork; it's education. It's teaching the body how to relearn what was lost over time (SMA),
or teaching it something new when it was learned incorrectly from the start.

If you look at it strictly from a money perspective, it's hard to set a realistic price. But man, it was such a rush when she called me on Tuesday saying she went for a four-hour power walk with zero pain or fatigue—and that everyone at her club was staring at her in disbelief on Monday, wondering how much she had changed between Wednesday and Monday! ;-)

rustybadger42 said:I took a look at her case study and I have to say, I'm genuinely impressed.
Her posture was noticeably corrected in just a few days.
That obvious Hyperlordosis was fixed—you can see how much better her hip, chest, abdominal, and neck alignment looks now. And all in just a matter of days.
There's also this new, relaxed expression paired with much more upright posture.
Plus, you can really see in those final photos how much taller a person appears once their back and spine are actually aligned.🙂
..so if anyone dealing with a hunched back wants to see what's possible, here's the example:

It was actually really interesting working with her—especially since English isn't exactly her strong suit, so she was quite closed off and feeling pretty down when we started. But she was motivated and a great student. She ended up gaining about 2 centimeters in height, too. That really put a huge smile on her face. :-)

Nicole Ross said:It was actually really interesting working with her—especially since English isn't exactly her strong suit, so she was quite closed off and feeling pretty down when we started. But she was motivated and a great student. She ended up gaining about 2 centimeters in height, too. That really put a huge smile on her face. :-)

Of course she would be. Those 2 cm felt like a total jackpot to her.
I actually felt that same sensation of a lengthened torso myself after integration.

It seems to me that a huge flaw in how people approach this is a failure to understand the fundamental rules of movement—specifically, that it’s not just about bones and muscles being the sole drivers of motion. By ignoring the fact that movement is the result of a sensory-motor system that operates through reversible processes, people end up viewing it as some kind of miracle.

rustybadger42 said:Of course she would be. Those 2 cm felt like a total jackpot to her.
I actually felt that same sensation of a lengthened torso myself after integration.

It seems to me that a huge flaw in how people approach this is a failure to understand the fundamental rules of movement—specifically, that it’s not just about bones and muscles being the sole drivers of motion. By ignoring the fact that movement is the result of a sensory-motor system that operates through reversible processes, people end up viewing it as some kind of miracle.

integration is a vital part of therapy that allows what you've learned to actually be integrated into your daily life.

So, yeah, pretty much.
Surprise is usually just what happens when you see something working but have no clue why ;-)

Nicole Ross said:It isn't true,
I'm just really good at Photoshop :-)

Actually, her head hasn't been like that since she was little—mostly because she mentioned her parents have the exact same posture. As a kid, she just imitated them, and it became baked into her system much deeper than any injury or overtraining would. Those things happened much later in life, long after her movement patterns were already established and simply forgotten. She didn't "forget" how to hold her head; she learned it wrong during that critical window between ages 1 and 5 when the human body defines its sensorimotor patterns and neural connections. But the reason she came to see me was unbearable pain in her hips and legs, which made hitting normal race times impossible. It all hit a breaking point last Saturday during a half marathon in Copenhagen, and her doctor prescribed six weeks of strict rest followed by cycling.
That’s why she showed up earlier than planned. She’ll be back in two months, and then we’ll tackle the head posture, since that isn't the primary issue right now.

Of course it isn't physical therapy.
She's been trying to find relief with traditional methods for the last three years, but without much luck. And it’s not a "miracle"—it’s just a deeper understanding of how the human body and mind actually work. You can read about that on my site to understand why the results are so fast and lasting. This can be done for anyone with a functional CNS who doesn't have fresh, unaddressed trauma—provided they actually want to do the work. This isn't classic bodywork; it's education. It's teaching the body how to relearn what was lost over time (SMA),
or teaching it something new when it was learned incorrectly from the start.

If you look at it strictly from a money perspective, it's hard to set a realistic price. But man, it was such a rush when she called me on Tuesday saying she went for a four-hour power walk with zero pain or fatigue—and that everyone at her club was staring at her in disbelief on Monday, wondering how much she had changed between Wednesday and Monday! ;-)

That is wonderful, because I am certainly no expert when it comes to physiotherapy or Photoshop; my only real tools are logic and reason.

The reason she sought help was due to unbearable pain in her hips and legs, which made it impossible for her to hit her usual racing times. Things reached a breaking point last Saturday during the half marathon in Copenhagen, and her doctor has since prescribed strict rest for six weeks followed by cycling training.

Well, look, you can call it centering, differentiation, or even voodoo if that's what helps it make sense. At the end of the day, the only thing that truly matters is whether the method actually works.

Wasn't the fundamental cause of this girl's issue essentially a muscular imbalance? I honestly find myself wondering how she managed to run at all. Long-distance running... that’s precisely where the trouble lies. It seems like almost anyone who trains for distance looks as though they need to be physically centered; they just look so wound up.

It is quite fascinating how sprinters manage to maintain such perfect alignment, seemingly unaffected by three or four different postural issues.

It isn't simply a matter of luck; rather, it stems from a profound understanding of how the human body and mind actually function together. You can find more details regarding this on my page, which should help clarify why these results manifest so rapidly and endure over the long term.

Suppose you actually managed to convince me to pick this up. I tend to be quite the skeptic, and frankly, I have a bit of an allergy to anything resembling pseudoscience. That said, I haven't stumbled upon any pure nonsense just yet—only claims that are incredibly bold—so I suppose I will give it a read.

It could likely be performed by anyone who possesses a healthy CNS and hasn't been burdened by recent, unaddressed trauma.

What kind of trauma are we actually discussing here? I am asking purely because I want to ensure that one cannot simply use "trauma" as a convenient alibi if a particular therapy fails to yield results. Could you provide a clear definition?

If that is truly his intention—treating this less like standard physical training and more like a genuine education—then he might succeed in reclaiming the wisdom that time has so easily allowed us to forget.Spinal Muscular Atrophy is a devastating condition that challenges the very essence of physical existence. It serves as a profound reminder of how delicate the connection between our nervous system and our muscles truly is. ),
Or simply unlearn everything that was incorrectly internalized from the start.

If I have understood you correctly, are you suggesting that such things can be mastered so rapidly? It seems quite profound to think we could quickly correct patterns that we have been unconsciously performing incorrectly our entire lives.

If you look at this strictly from a financial perspective, it’s difficult to put a realistic price tag on the results. However, for me, there is a deep sense of satisfaction in hearing her call me on Tuesday to say she had just finished a four-hour power walk without any pain or fatigue. She mentioned that everyone at the gym was staring at her in total disbelief on Monday, wondering how much she had transformed between Wednesday and the start of the week.

If the price tag is $3.25, then attempting to permanently fix such profound postural issues within just a few days of therapy would be nothing short of a revolution—not just economically, but for healthcare and science as well.

In reality, there is only one true yardstick, much like any other metric involving health. It would be triple-blind tests designed to measure how your therapy actually stacks up against standard physical therapy and a placebo. While you might not have much interest in that, it would certainly be fascinating to see the results.

urbanwalker72 said:That is wonderful, because I am certainly no expert when it comes to physiotherapy or Photoshop; my only real tools are logic and reason.

The reason she sought help was due to unbearable pain in her hips and legs, which made it impossible for her to hit her usual racing times. Things reached a breaking point last Saturday during the half marathon in Copenhagen, and her doctor has since prescribed strict rest for six weeks followed by cycling training.

Well, look, you can call it centering, differentiation, or even voodoo if that's what helps it make sense. At the end of the day, the only thing that truly matters is whether the method actually works.

Wasn't the fundamental cause of this girl's issue essentially a muscular imbalance? I honestly find myself wondering how she managed to run at all. Long-distance running... that’s precisely where the trouble lies. It seems like almost anyone who trains for distance looks as though they need to be physically centered; they just look so wound up.

It is quite fascinating how sprinters manage to maintain such perfect alignment, seemingly unaffected by three or four different postural issues.

It isn't simply a matter of luck; rather, it stems from a profound understanding of how the human body and mind actually function together. You can find more details regarding this on my page, which should help clarify why these results manifest so rapidly and endure over the long term.

Suppose you actually managed to convince me to pick this up. I tend to be quite the skeptic, and frankly, I have a bit of an allergy to anything resembling pseudoscience. That said, I haven't stumbled upon any pure nonsense just yet—only claims that are incredibly bold—so I suppose I will give it a read.

It could likely be performed by anyone who possesses a healthy CNS and hasn't been burdened by recent, unaddressed trauma.

What kind of trauma are we actually discussing here? I am asking purely because I want to ensure that one cannot simply use "trauma" as a convenient alibi if a particular therapy fails to yield results. Could you provide a clear definition?

If that is truly his intention—treating this less like standard physical training and more like a genuine education—then he might succeed in reclaiming the wisdom that time has so easily allowed us to forget.Spinal Muscular Atrophy is a devastating condition that challenges the very essence of physical existence. It serves as a profound reminder of how delicate the connection between our nervous system and our muscles truly is. ),
Or simply unlearn everything that was incorrectly internalized from the start.

If I have understood you correctly, are you suggesting that such things can be mastered so rapidly? It seems quite profound to think we could quickly correct patterns that we have been unconsciously performing incorrectly our entire lives.

If you look at this strictly from a financial perspective, it’s difficult to put a realistic price tag on the results. However, for me, there is a deep sense of satisfaction in hearing her call me on Tuesday to say she had just finished a four-hour power walk without any pain or fatigue. She mentioned that everyone at the gym was staring at her in total disbelief on Monday, wondering how much she had transformed between Wednesday and the start of the week.

If the price tag is $3.25, then attempting to permanently fix such profound postural issues within just a few days of therapy would be nothing short of a revolution—not just economically, but for healthcare and science as well.

In reality, there is only one true yardstick, much like any other metric involving health. It would be triple-blind tests designed to measure how your therapy actually stacks up against standard physical therapy and a placebo. While you might not have much interest in that, it would certainly be fascinating to see the results.

It always works if the person wants it to, because it's about education, and you can't force someone to learn.

I ran into six long-distance runners at the airport recently—from Ethiopia and Kenya—to discuss a partnership, and every single one of them has major issues... whereas next week, a Turkish 400m champion is arriving with her entourage, and she doesn't look nearly as bad, mostly just because she has more muscle mass, which gives a different impression.

Just read it; there's no harm in it, which is why I have this page. :-)

If something is broken, bruised, or strained, you don't start working on it until the trauma has healed and been addressed. Only then do you move on to addressing the consequences of that trauma on the sensorimotor system. Because if someone is feeling pain, the education isn't going to take very well. Try trying to learn something while someone is beating you on the back with a stick...

Yeah, although things you learned in childhood take longer to unlearn because you're learning from scratch, whereas changes made later on happen faster because you're just relearning something you once knew.

It's not a revolution; the problem is that healthcare, economics, and science have veered so far into illogicality, self-importance, and overcomplication that they can't grasp something simple, painless, and effective without looking for voodoo where everything should be based on facts.

What I want to see is the difference—the before and after—and the changes felt by people who learn to walk using their pelvis and shoulders instead of their knees and feet.
Most methods that haven't helped them rely on blind tests.

Working in medicine, I see people hitting dead ends every single day—treating the symptoms instead of fixing the root cause has basically become the standard rule in healthcare. Whether it's intentional or not, it doesn't really matter.
The reality is that the solution to so many health issues lies within ourselves. It's just that the marketing lobby is far too powerful to let anything simple or logical actually gain traction.

It’ll be interesting to watch how Abeylegesse does... who knows, maybe we'll see another world record shattered.🙂

she’ll scratch exactly where she needs to, run more efficiently, and stop fighting herself—over the next few weeks, her whole perception of running is going to shift. She’ll start enjoying it more and more, until it isn’t something she "has" to do, but something she actually *wants* to do. And honestly, that distinction makes a massive difference in how stable your form becomes, how much you understand yourself, and when you move toward collaboration between the "mind and body"—rather than battling the "mind and body"—you find yourself in a position to be the fastest and best version of yourself, without burning out like a maniac from the sheer misery of doing something you "used to" love but now increasingly dread. It’s funny, really—that’s exactly what happens to most people in their careers.
So, in a few months, she’ll have all the right conditions to be as good as her genetics allow, and from there, anything is possible.

Next week, I’m starting work with a famous American athlete who, not too long ago, brought a ton of pride and joy to people with his achievements—though he can’t quite do that anymore for various reasons. He’s desperate to get back to his true self, and I truly believe that by using differentiation, we can make that happen.

If he gives me the green light, I’ll post updates on his progress on my website. :-)

Nicole Ross said:she’ll scratch exactly where she needs to, run more efficiently, and stop fighting herself—over the next few weeks, her whole perception of running is going to shift. She’ll start enjoying it more and more, until it isn’t something she "has" to do, but something she actually *wants* to do. And honestly, that distinction makes a massive difference in how stable your form becomes, how much you understand yourself, and when you move toward collaboration between the "mind and body"—rather than battling the "mind and body"—you find yourself in a position to be the fastest and best version of yourself, without burning out like a maniac from the sheer misery of doing something you "used to" love but now increasingly dread. It’s funny, really—that’s exactly what happens to most people in their careers.
So, in a few months, she’ll have all the right conditions to be as good as her genetics allow, and from there, anything is possible.

Next week, I’m starting work with a famous American athlete who, not too long ago, brought a ton of pride and joy to people with his achievements—though he can’t quite do that anymore for various reasons. He’s desperate to get back to his true self, and I truly believe that by using differentiation, we can make that happen.

If he gives me the green light, I’ll post updates on his progress on my website. :-)

Yeah, it’s such a great feeling when things that used to be a struggle become effortless thanks to differentiation. Effort without results just breeds frustration—which kills willpower and, ultimately, performance. You see it in everyone, but in professional sports, the pressure is just relentless.

It’s interesting you mentioned that—there’s this huge misconception that if it doesn't hurt or push you to your absolute limit, it isn't effective. But forcing a body that isn't in optimal condition to hit those limits is actually counterproductive in the long run.

rustybadger42 said:Working in medicine, I see people hitting dead ends every single day—treating the symptoms instead of fixing the root cause has basically become the standard rule in healthcare. Whether it's intentional or not, it doesn't really matter.
The reality is that the solution to so many health issues lies within ourselves. It's just that the marketing lobby is far too powerful to let anything simple or logical actually gain traction.

It’ll be interesting to watch how Abeylegesse does... who knows, maybe we'll see another world record shattered.🙂

Unfortunately, this isn't just a matter of marketing. We are dealing with raw reality. If something actually works, it can be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, and those treatments quickly integrate into daily life and become part of mainstream medicine.

This isn't solely about medicine, either. Any claim that something possesses a real, measurable effect must be able to withstand independent verification.

urbanwalker72 said:Unfortunately, this isn't just a matter of marketing. We are dealing with raw reality. If something actually works, it can be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, and those treatments quickly integrate into daily life and become part of mainstream medicine.

This isn't solely about medicine, either. Any claim that something possesses a real, measurable effect must be able to withstand independent verification.

By that logic, hardly anyone would be sick today since every single ad claims to have a cure for almost everything.

But, in a way, you're right... the issue isn't really marketing. It's more about people—it's just easier to follow the path of least resistance instead of using logic to actually change something about themselves.
When we're talking specifically about kyphosis... the picture speaks for itself.🙂

urbanwalker72 said:Unfortunately, this isn't just a matter of marketing. We are dealing with raw reality. If something actually works, it can be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, and those treatments quickly integrate into daily life and become part of mainstream medicine.

This isn't solely about medicine, either. Any claim that something possesses a real, measurable effect must be able to withstand independent verification.

Either you're pulling my leg, you're intentionally misspelling things, or you're just completely out of the loop.
Treatment protocols shift pretty drastically when you realize that solving a problem can actually end up being more expensive—not just in terms of pricey medications and high-end diagnostic tests, but in hours of labor, longer recovery times, and, if you’re lucky, a whole host of side effects that basically trade one issue for three new ones. It's a strange way to run things, isn't it?

So, honestly, the harsh reality couldn't be any different from the one you've laid out here.

You can really feel that differentiation effect—it’s pretty easy to pick up on while you're actually going through the motions, but it hits even harder after a session of active therapy. Especially if you're staying consistent with your routine and hitting those exercises designed to dial up your proprioception. It makes a world of difference, doesn't it?

It’s actually quite measurable if you give someone something fun to play around with—it's incredibly easy. Just yesterday, I was working with a swimmer who managed to extend his latissimus dorsi, which effectively increased his reach by about 3 inches in just five minutes. I only measured it because that's exactly what he asked for.

Nicole Ross said:Either you're pulling my leg, you're intentionally misspelling things, or you're just completely out of the loop.
Treatment protocols shift pretty drastically when you realize that solving a problem can actually end up being more expensive—not just in terms of pricey medications and high-end diagnostic tests, but in hours of labor, longer recovery times, and, if you’re lucky, a whole host of side effects that basically trade one issue for three new ones. It's a strange way to run things, isn't it?

So, honestly, the harsh reality couldn't be any different from the one you've laid out here.

You can really feel that differentiation effect—it’s pretty easy to pick up on while you're actually going through the motions, but it hits even harder after a session of active therapy. Especially if you're staying consistent with your routine and hitting those exercises designed to dial up your proprioception. It makes a world of difference, doesn't it?

It’s actually quite measurable if you give someone something fun to play around with—it's incredibly easy. Just yesterday, I was working with a swimmer who managed to extend his latissimus dorsi, which effectively increased his reach by about 3 inches in just five minutes. I only measured it because that's exactly what he asked for.

Competition between medications is one thing, but proving they work better than a placebo is quite another.

By definition, a drug is something that performs better than a placebo.

So, the harsh reality couldn't be any different from the picture you've painted.

The reality is that the segment of alternative medicine which isn't more effective than a placebo represents one of the most serious frauds of our time and remains one of the most lucrative illegal businesses in the world.

The differentiation effect is easily felt during the course of treatment, and especially after active therapy, particularly if they regularly perform exercises that enhance proprioception.

Of course they feel it, but feeling it isn't proof.

Proof is established this way: You take 100 people who need such therapy, selected via random sampling. These people believe they are seeing a specialist. Half go to you, half come to me. They are certain they are visiting a therapist for differentiation. You know exactly what you are doing, whereas I have no idea; I just perform some random movements, massages, and nonsense.

In the end, we compare the results. If even after my "treatment" a certain number of people feel or believe there has been an improvement, it is merely a sign that those people were recovering without any actual therapy, because I am not a therapist.

If you have, say, 15 people improving and I have 10, then your therapy is ineffective, because my "therapy" doesn't actually exist, yet the results are similar.

Only if, for example, 10 people recover with me while 30 to 40 recover with you, do you have the right to claim your therapy has a genuine effect.

That is the first test. If you pass it, then you are a true therapist, rather than someone just playing the part.

In the second test, instead of competing with me, you compete with a physical therapist. I know you think it counts as proof if a physical therapist fails to help someone but you succeed. But individual cases and anecdotes are not evidence. Evidence must be statistically significant.

It is measurable if someone finds it easy to play around with it (yesterday, a swimmer extended her latissimus and increased her reach by 8 centimeters in 5 minutes; she measured it because that was her goal).

And will that stay with her for the rest of her life?

I am not saying your effect isn't measurable or real. How would I possibly know whether it is or isn't?

I am simply telling you how things are proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.