Psoriasis [PLEASE READ FIRST POST!]

Milky Way said:I’ve been wrestling with this for about 15 years now, and honestly, it hasn't gotten any easier.

believe me, if you actually had the answer, none of this would be such a headache... 😁 😁 😁

MacGregor said:believe me, if you actually have the answers, then everything is easy... 😁 😁 😁

Psoriasis is an incurable condition—there’s just no getting around that fact. So, really, if you consider yourself lucky, you're dealing with a milder version. But if luck isn't on your side? Well, even cytostatic drugs won't be able to touch it.

wow... I'm just sitting here looking at the numbers... only about 1-2% of the population deals with this condition... which means I've really struck gold... maybe I should actually start playing the Powerball🙄 😁

swiftscout8... what have you actually tried? In your opinion—just being honest here—what really seems to work best?

Yeah... just one question...
My doctor has been pushing this Beloderm cream on me for a while now. Has anyone actually used it, and does anyone know if there are any side effects?

nimbledriver81 said:Psoriasis is an incurable condition, plain and simple. I suppose if you happen to be lucky, you get a milder version, but if luck isn't on your side, even the heavy-duty cytostatics won't touch it.

It feels a bit unrefined to just tell someone they're talking nonsense, so I'll refrain from saying that... 😁

Gregory Turner71 said:Milky... what have you actually tried? In your opinion, what really works?

Man, I’ve tried just about everything under the sun. I think I posted about this back when I was hanging out on the health forums here in Chicago. It’s been a while since we had a dedicated thread on psoriasis.

http://www.forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47760
http://www.forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20897

Lisa Ortiz17 said:I heard about this family—I think they were out in California—who imported these little fish because of a sick family member, and eventually, they set up this tiny little "clinic." They keep the fish in tanks where the patient sits for maybe half an hour or so, and the fish just graze on those flakes. They actually demonstrated the whole therapy process. Apparently, you have to go through it several times.

I can't say for certain, but I believe it was somewhere near Santa Barbara or Monterey.

Generally speaking, these fish are kept in specialized pools using specific water conditions (temperature and all that). I don't recall exactly how many sessions a single treatment requires, but from what I gathered watching the people involved on TV, they claim it actually helped quite a bit. 🙂

Gregory Turner71 said:So... one thing...
My doctor's been pushing this Beloderm cream on me for a while now. Anyone actually used it? Any side effects I should worry about?

Beloderm is pretty old school.
Diprosalic is probably better.

Zorac works amazing though, but you have to order it from overseas and it’s like 100 bucks.

I've got some myself.😢

Angela Flores76 said:I'm not entirely certain—it could be Santa Barbara or maybe Monterey...

I posted the links on the previous page...
Regarding the fish—part one...
Just a little something on some forum... Regarding the fish—part two...

mistybear4 said:It feels a bit unrefined to just say "you're talking nonsense," so I won't go that route... 😁

Both my sister and I deal with psoriasis—mine popped up on my elbow just last year. It’s pretty mild, comes and goes, so I consider myself quite lucky since it's barely noticeable. My doctor mentioned that about 10% of the American population deals with psoriasis.
My sister, however, suffers from the most severe form imaginable—she's been battling it for nearly 30 years now. There are occasional windows where she improves; for instance, last summer she didn't have to apply any ointment for three whole weeks! Otherwise, she uses 40% Beloderm in a white base EVERY SINGLE DAY. Every night, she has to coat her entire body (using Belosalic for her hair) and sleep while covered in it. Then, in the morning, she has to wake up an hour early just to shower and wash her hair out. It's actually quite convenient during the winter, you know? On top of all that, she's had psoriatic arthritis for a few years, so even turning her neck is a struggle. And because of the chemotherapy, her bones are as fragile as glass—literally! Her doctor warned her she can't risk breaking anything, because there's simply no chance of the bone healing.
So, there you have it—those are the kinds of "nonsense" topics I'm referring to.
Oh, and I neglected to mention that they "overcooked" her with a UV lamp at the salad twice, which left her bedridden with blisters for days afterward...
What an absolute ignoramus.

nimbledriver81, I can see you're getting worked up, so let’s just take a breath and try to find some common ground. To understand where I'm coming from, we really need to look back at your statement, "Psoriasis is an incurable disease," which prompted my little "association"—what you took as my interpretation that the whole idea is just plain nonsense. And honestly, I still stand by that...

Everything you’ve laid out makes sense; it isn't news to me. I understand the struggles you're facing, the way you've tried to tackle them, and the results those specific methods have yielded. But that's all part of a much larger picture. You have to realize that your experience is just that—your experience—and it doesn't mean something is inherently uncurable just because you haven't found the fix yet, or perhaps because you haven't stumbled upon the right information to make it happen. 😠

What feels impossible to you right now is perfectly doable for me. The various paths you've explored don't account for the solutions I can offer, which only reinforces my position. Some of the explanations you're relying on strike me as almost laughable. The only thing we truly agree on is that you and your sister haven't resolved this issue, and that you both ultimately want to. Whether you'll ever decide to start looking at things through the lens of hard facts and actual results is something we'll just have to wait and see.

If you want to eliminate a problem, you have to track down its root cause. If you ignore the source, you'll just spend your life exhausted by the symptoms, which is exactly what has already happened in your case. 😢
So, if you prefer listening to people who offer nothing but empty platitudes about how many others suffer from the same condition—just to make you feel less alone in your struggle—then by all means, keep doing that and stay angry. 😠
On the other hand, if you start listening to those who actually solved their problems, if you begin analyzing how and why they succeeded, and if you start grasping where the true cause lies, then there might actually be hope for you to find a resolution. 🙂
(I wonder, would it comfort you more to know that 50% of the population deals with this, or would the desire to not be part of that statistic drive you toward a real solution? Would you rather listen to your own logic and someone who has the answer, or stick with someone who definitely doesn't?)

I wrote a bit about psoriasis on the first page of this thread. It wasn't an exhaustive deep dive, but if you read carefully, the core logic is right there. 🙂

Yesterday, I attended a seminar on cellular nutrition, and I had a few guests join me. I introduced them to a woman who managed to clear her psoriasis through high-quality nutritional protocols, and they were quite impressed by what they saw. Now, they're starting down that same path to resolve their own issues.

"My sister has been suffering from the most severe form for nearly 30 years."

Thirty years ago, nobody understood the link between diet and health, but the landscape has shifted entirely. Nutritionists are uncovering new data every day; they make breakthroughs that eventually get adopted by mainstream medicine, setting new standards whether the establishment likes it or not. Just look around—everyone is talking about food, wellness, and how what we eat impacts our bodies. It’s deeply ironic, and frankly a bit tragic, that at a major US medical school, you won't find a single course dedicated to this. We are left to rely on the intuition of those rare, rational doctors who actually want to learn more and honor their calling to truly help people. 🙂

You have to accept that pharmaceuticals aren't designed to fix the root cause; they are designed to manage or mask symptoms so that you keep buying the medication indefinitely.
Understand that there is no such thing as a drug without side effects. Even something considered relatively "safe," like Advil, comes with about twenty different potential side effects—and that's just when you compare it to the "stronger" stuff.

"On top of all that, she’s been dealing with psoriatic arthritis for a few years now, so even turning her neck is an ordeal. After all those rounds of chemotherapy, her bones are basically as fragile as glass. Her doctor warned her straight up that if she breaks anything, there’s zero chance of it healing properly. That's the kind of reality I'm talking about when I say people ignore the basics."

You know deep down it isn't nonsense, but you have to realize this is just what happens when we neglect how we treat ourselves—our diet, our habits, the whole works. Once we actually start respecting our own bodies as the one place we’re forced to live out our entire lives, maybe we’ll bother to maintain it. It’s like how people meticulously care for their homes, their backyards, or even their cars... and if they don't know how to fix something, they actually go ask someone who does. Usually, that should be the nutritionists and wellness experts, rather than just waiting for a prescription to fix a problem caused by lifestyle. 😕 😁

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food" (Hippocrates)
"We are what we eat; your strength, your health, and your very life depend on it" (Hippocrates)

"If you have a strong enough WHY, you will always find a WAY" (Jim Rohn)

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Alright, mistybear4, you're already tearing him apart...

Psoriasis is a genetically driven condition—there’s just no cure for it. That part is set in stone. However, symptoms don't just appear out of thin air; they need a trigger, whether that's chronic stress, a poor diet, systemic inflammation, or something similar. Because of that, you actually can manage the flare-ups—or even get them to disappear entirely—simply by making significant lifestyle changes. Anything else people claim about "miracle cures" is absolute nonsense. 🙄

"Alright, Mac, you're already tearing him apart..."

I’m not a huge fan of being told I'm "tearing someone apart," though I suppose there might be some truth to it 😁 . .. 😠

"Psoriasis is a genetically conditioned disease"

Sure, genetic predispositions exist, but they aren't an absolute rule for developing the condition; chronic issues tend to surface due to a specific chain of events:
- diet and nutritional choices
- how one manages stress
- lack of physical activity
- genetic heritage

Essentially, if those first three factors are managed, those genetic predispositions often stay dormant. It's just easier for people today to shrug and say, "it's stress" or "it's in my genes," because they don't actually grasp the deeper connection between nutrition and stress response 😁

"IT CANNOT BE TREATED"

I categorically reject your claims; I simply don't agree, and there isn't a way to convince me of something I know isn't true, especially since I've seen the opposite with my own eyes ... 😎

"That is why it is possible to alleviate symptoms, or even eliminate them entirely, by changing your lifestyle."

But what does "eliminating symptoms entirely" actually mean? Have we solved the underlying issue, or just masked it? ... 😎
And what does "changing your lifestyle" actually entail? Does it mean eating balanced meals and having a salad twice a day, or does it mean moving from the mountains down to the coast? .. 😁

"Anything else regarding magic cures is total nonsense "

Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want; personally, I believe in what I can see and what holds up in practice, using theory and logic merely to make sense of what I've already witnessed .. 😁

Question: have you had psoriasis since birth, or did it show up later in life? .. 😎

"If you can't see clearly from where you are standing, change your location or climb a hill." 🙂

mistybear4 said:I mean, genetics play a part, sure, but it's not like it's a guarantee you'll get sick. Chronic issues usually stem from these things (in this order, I guess):
- what you eat and how you eat it
- how you handle stress
- not moving enough
- genetic stuff

I don't think it works quite like that for everyone.
1. my diet is actually pretty solid
2. I don't really deal with much stress, honestly
3. I stay active every single day
4. but yeah, I still have psoriasis in my family history, so...

nimbledriver81,

Are you some kind of Jehovah's Witness or are you just out here peddling something?

mistybear4 said:blablablabla

Listen, this is coming from someone who holds a degree from a top-tier Food Science and Biotechnology program—plus a PhD in biology, no less! I am certainly not about to fall for those cheap marketing gimmicks.
And besides—I'm a woman.

"1. I eat pretty well"

It’s all relative, really. I have friends who thought they were eating "perfectly," yet they struggled with iron deficiencies or random allergies, and once they finally switched to cellular nutrition, those issues just vanished... it's just a fact.
Tell me, do you actually have oversight over your food from the very beginning—from production and shipping right down to when it hits your plate? If you don't, then you realize how hard it is to be certain about what we're consuming or even how much of a specific nutrient is actually inside it, you know? That's the real issue here. 🙂

"You're talking to someone with a degree in Food Biotechnology and a PhD in Biology. I don't fall for marketing gimmicks.
Besides, I'm a woman."

My apologies for the gender assumption, 😁. Honestly, degrees don't impress me—not even my own. If you'd like, I can introduce you to plenty of highly educated people with PhDs who thought they knew everything until they discovered cellular nutrition and had to change their minds after facing the actual facts. 🙂
This isn't about marketing, but if there's something seeing constant growth based solely on word-of-mouth and results, that says enough about the marketing side of things, wouldn't you agree?

Betty Rivera14, if someone witnesses something that truly works and helps people, then I am a "witness" too. But I'm not interested in mere opinions without substance; I care about the truth and arguments that can be verified and scientifically explained. Those explanations should come from the people who have lived through the results and proven them in practice, not from those who haven't. 🙂 😁

mistybear4 said:so please, just tell me if you actually track that food from the very start—like, from production and shipping all the way to when people eat it?

yeah, I guess so.

mistybear4 said:"You're talking to someone with a degree in Food Science and Biotechnology—plus a PhD in Biology. I don't fall for marketing gimmicks.
Besides, I'm a woman."

My apologies for the gender assumption there—😁—and honestly, degrees don't really impress me (not even my own!) if we're being real. If you're interested, I could introduce you to plenty of highly educated folks with advanced degrees who thought they’d "reinvent the wheel" by discovering cellular nutrition... only to completely change their tune once they were faced with actual, hard facts.. 🙂

And what exactly do you think we study in my major, or what do biologists actually do all day? 😕
Anyway, let's cut to the chase—just tell me straight what you're selling, and we can move on.