How drug abuse rewires the brain and messes with your motivation systems

Thomas Mendoza5 said:thank god... why on earth would I want to get that big?

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Thomas Mendoza5 said:thank god... why on earth would I want to get that huge?

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wanderingmaker8 said:Unlike our local news outlets, international media isn't afraid to report positive stories about drugs. It turns out Ketamine—which hasn't really hit the mainstream in the States yet, though it will once we actually join the 21st century—can wipe out depression symptoms in just two hours. Compare that to any other medication out there that takes weeks to kick in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5253800.stm

Yeah, I read that too... pretty interesting piece overall... even if it’s definitely not child's play...
Heh, it's available here in the States too; you just have to use your brain a little, assuming anyone actually possesses one!
Small hint: you can find plenty of it down in East St. Louis.👍

Essentially, its mechanism puts certain parts of the brain on "hibernate" mode while somehow leaving the "good" parts functioning perfectly fine...
...miraculously.😁
Anyway, this isn't something to mess around with. If the demons start hunting you during a K-hole, you're absolutely screwed.

Almost everyone experiences that sensation of leaving their body... happened to me, too.😬

2 vividmaker532 WORD 👍

I know this girl, a former longtime heroin addict, who actually pulled off a miracle by getting clean. But man, she’s still paying the price for those years of heavy use... on top of picking up Hepatitis C, she’s barely scraping by in college, even though she used to be a straight-A student before everything went south. She tells me herself how much she struggles just to focus or retain any basic information.

It isn't just that long-term addiction to hard drugs rewires your brain; it completely alters who you are as a person. Just look at someone like Din Dvornik... it's heartbreaking!

People love to bring up certain artists, but they always forget to mention that those massive masterpieces were usually created right at the start of their drug use, before they eventually spiraled into the abyss.

The bottom line is that drugs are a deeply personal matter—everyone’s experience with any given substance is unique, and the consequences follow suit. Throwing around generalizations and relying on stereotypes does absolutely nothing to help tackle addiction.

briskranger2: I know it exists, but it hasn't really hit the mainstream club scene yet... though, honestly, that’s not surprising since our club scene is pretty much non-existent anyway. And let's be real, nobody is dropping enough stuff to hit a K-hole while they're out at some dive bar listening to country music.😁

dustyhound5 said:An acquaintance of mine—a former long-term heroin addict—actually managed to kick her habit through sheer willpower. But now she’s paying the price for those years of abuse. She's barely scraping by in college, despite being a straight-A student before the addiction took hold. She tells me she struggles to focus or retain any significant amount of information.

Another acquaintance of mine took a three-year hiatus from university to get clean. During that time, she was completely sober. Now, she’s struggling to finish her degree, reporting the same issues with concentration and an inability to study with the same intensity she had back when she was a total academic overachiever. She's essentially paying off the cognitive debt from years of neglect. 😁

The takeaway here: you can reach the same level of dysfunction through various paths. Drugs aren't the only way to hijack your brain's motivational systems. 😁

wanderingmaker8 said:@briskranger2/">@@briskranger2: I know it’s out there, but it hasn't really broken into the club scene yet... though that's hardly surprising since the club scene barely exists anymore. And let's face it, nobody's looking to slip into a K-hole while they're out at some dive bar listening to country music. 😁

It won't happen, and it never will. This isn't a "party drug." Most people are too terrified of anything deeper than the usual buzz from booze, cocaine, or speed. But honestly? Given the sheer amount of self-proclaimed intellectuals popping up on these forums lately, who knows. Maybe we'll see a "hit" drug emerge from their pretentious little circles soon enough. 😬

Amanda Moore79 said:A friend of mine took a three-year break from college and stayed completely clean during that whole stretch. Now that she's finally scraping by to finish her degree, she’s complaining about how hard it is to focus and how she just can't study like she used to back when she was a total straight-A student. It's like she's paying the price for years of being totally unmotivated. 😁

The takeaway here? You can reach the same end goal through totally different paths. Drugs aren't the only way to hack your brain's motivation system, 😁
right?

They aren't the *only* way, sure, but man, they are incredibly efficient. 😁

I used to be too embarrassed to ask because I didn't want to look clueless, but curiosity finally got the better of me. So, experts, please enlighten me: what exactly is a K-hole, and what is this new drug everyone is talking about? I honestly have no idea 😕

Amanda Moore79 said:I used to be too embarrassed to ask because I didn't want to look clueless, but honestly, I’m just curious. So, can anyone who actually knows their stuff explain what a K-hole is? And what is this new drug everyone's talking about exactly? I have absolutely no idea what's going on. 😕

That’s just the Ketamine...

Ketamine is a veterinary anesthetic that’s also used in human medicine, but it falls squarely into the hallucinogen category. When it's in powder form, people snort it similarly to cocaine; in liquid form, it can be injected or even laced into marijuana or tobacco. Taking heavy doses is incredibly dangerous—it can trigger intense hallucinations and lead to severe depression, memory loss, impaired motor skills, delirium, and even respiratory failure, which can be fatal. You’ll frequently see it popping up at raves and nightclubs, and unfortunately, it’s also been known to be used as a "date rape drug."

The K-hole is basically that state where someone who’s taken a heavy dose of Ketamine becomes completely unable to move or even speak—which is why people often label Ketamine as a date rape drug. While that isn't its primary purpose, the fact remains that it acts as an anesthetic, effectively paralyzing a person and stripping away any ability to resist.

When people talk about "falling" into a K-hole, they describe it as feeling totally detached from their own body, like they're lost in a void of space and time, hovering right on the thin line between consciousness and nothingness. For some, this sensation is incredible, but for others, it’s a terrifying experience that scares them so badly they swear off Ketamine forever.

Here is this guy right on the edge of a K-hole.

I can't help but wonder where all the good old acid went 😬

instead, everyone seems to be obsessed with Ketamine these days...

*So you're all about this synthetic stuff—meanwhile, Native Americans have been using mescaline from cacti and psilocybin from mushrooms for thousands of years just for the hell of it😁

Moderators, are you absolutely certain this entire discussion falls under the Health category? (And more importantly, does it actually align with the Forum rules?)

Could you please quote the specific rules you think I actually broke?

No, I won't be quoting them, as I have neither the desire nor the intention to study their content. My own internal moral compass is steady enough that I don't feel the need to rely on external guardrails; rules are really only necessary for those who lack the self-discipline to recognize where the line should be drawn in the first place.
As for the ethics behind your posts, my friend would likely offer a sharp critique if he were to read them—a man who spent years enduring a private hell constructed by his own son. His son was one of those who refused to acknowledge an addiction, insisting instead that he was merely practicing "intelligent" drug use. Now, that same man lives in an even deeper purgatory, entering his fourth year of mourning since that "brilliant" individual passed away from an overdose.

I think some people are getting their GHB and Ketamine mixed up... GHB is the substance used in sexual assaults, not Ketamine. It seems someone noticed how a "paralyzed" victim can't fight back and suddenly thought that was an opportunity.

Ketamine hasn't been the go-to in American medicine for about 80 years, simply because we found much better anesthetics that don't carry such heavy side effects—you know, the disorientation, the nausea, the vomiting. Even cats handle Ketamine worse than humans do, so that's beside the point. People claim it’s unpopular because it "overstimulates" the brain, but honestly, a tiny little bump (or even those who take 2-4) isn't even in the same league as the dosage required to put a patient under general anesthesia for several hours.
I wouldn't exactly agree with being lost in time and space here—okay, maybe I'm a bit out of touch, but nothing major 😬—it's just a different state of consciousness. It's definitely not for everyone, and certainly not for some random one-night stand at a rave, as someone else mentioned... because it's not exactly what you'd call "inviting," if you catch my drift. 😬

redhawk76 said:No, I can't quote them, because I'm not interested in doing that, nor am I going to study them. My own personal code of ethics will never fail me or allow me to cross certain lines... Rules exist for people who don't recognize those boundaries or simply don't have any...

I can respect your personal code of ethics, but it isn't—and cannot be—a tool for correcting how people behave on this Forum.

redhawk76 said:As for the ethics behind your posts, if you actually read them, my friend would give you the best answer—a man who spent years living through a hell created by his own son, a kid who never once admitted to being addicted, claiming instead he was just using drugs "smartly." And now, he’s been living in an even deeper hell for four years straight, ever since that "genius" died from an overdose.

I am truly sorry about your friend and the completely senseless death of his son, but discussing drugs and providing accurate information about them doesn't cause addiction, nor does it encourage it. On the contrary, the only effective way to prevent addiction is to ensure potential users have access to precise, unbiased information they can actually trust—information stripped of all moralizing and finger-wagging—so they can make a sober, informed decision when faced with the choice of whether or not to use.

The very tragedy you just described is proof enough that moralizing does absolutely nothing to help prevent or fight addiction.

At first glance, it seems the only logical course of action is simply distributing clean needles. After all, lecturing users who are self-aware, principled, and mentally resilient is a futile exercise; they tend to tune out the moralizing, dismissing it as noise because they believe they have already mastered their own limits.
But one has to wonder if this approach actually serves those who lack such fortitude—those who might stumble or lose their grip during the journey due to youthful impulsivity, emotional instability, or sheer immaturity. Does providing them with "harm reduction" data truly help, or does it inadvertently provide a sense of security that encourages continued use? It is impossible to predict which individual will see their experimentation evolve into a devastating addiction. Whether we care to admit it or not, the outcome isn't dictated solely by how much information someone possesses. If it were that simple, we would have solved the crisis long ago.
That is precisely why I find any advocacy for "smart" drug use to be fundamentally irresponsible and unethical. For the vast majority of the population, there is neither an interest in nor a desire to become "drug-educated."

@ wanderingmaker8, nice one 👍

@ redhawk76—I suppose one might wonder why an individual shouldn't have the freedom to choose their own path, provided they aren't harming anyone else? The reality is—if someone decides to go down that road, nobody can truly stop them, and if they're going to do it anyway, they might as well have access to accurate information. Also, regarding your friend’s son—it’s unfortunate, truly—given he was clearly using some rather questionable substances. It seems you're falling into the common trap of assuming all drugs are essentially the same. Personally, I don't advocate for them, nor am I an expert on psychoactive substances outside of the hallucinogen category. I would actually separate those from other "drugs," since, physically speaking, they seem safer than cigarettes or alcohol. They don't cause physical or psychological addiction, and the idea that people transition from one substance to something more harmful is a bit of a generalization—it really only applies to certain individuals with unstable psyches... Psychedelics aren't an escape from reality, nor are they something unstable people cling to when life gets hard... They are tools for exploring and expanding consciousness, which many great intellectuals have used recreationally (have you read Doors of Perception?)

I get that your view on "drugs" has been skewed by the situation you mentioned, but perhaps consider that not everything is a death sentence. No hard feelings 👍