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Alternative ways to handle an unsolvable result

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Linda Wood96 Linda Wood96 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’m not exactly a die-hard soccer fan, but I’ve been catching some of this European Championship lately—and honestly? The whole extra time and penalty shootout thing feels kind of tedious for breaking a tie. Sure, overtime can be wild sometimes, and penalties always keep you on edge, I guess, but it feels like way too much luck involved... like it just boils down to one guy instead of how good the actual team is.

So, the point of this thread is to see if you guys have any better ideas for settling a draw.

Personally, I think it’d be hilarious if FIFA just came up with like ten different ways to break a tie, and then they randomly picked one after regulation time ends. Just to keep everyone guessing, you know? Like, nobody would actually know what's coming next.

Found this article floating around that talks about this exact thing: Some Other Ways to Break a Tie in World Cup Soccer

One last thought from me: maybe before extra time starts, every team has to swap out eight players—not counting their usual subs. That way, the field stays fresh with new blood so the game doesn't lose its spark. And hey, anyone who sat out during regulation could jump back in for the overtime stretch.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
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joined Mar 2005
#2 ·
Linda Wood96 said:I’m not exactly a die-hard soccer fan, but I’ve been catching some of this European Championship lately—and honestly? The whole extra time and penalty shootout thing feels kind of tedious for breaking a tie. Sure, overtime can be wild sometimes, and penalties always keep you on edge, I guess, but it feels like way too much luck involved... like it just boils down to one guy instead of how good the actual team is.

So, the point of this thread is to see if you guys have any better ideas for settling a draw.

Personally, I think it’d be hilarious if FIFA just came up with like ten different ways to break a tie, and then they randomly picked one after regulation time ends. Just to keep everyone guessing, you know? Like, nobody would actually know what's coming next.

Found this article floating around that talks about this exact thing: Some Other Ways to Break a Tie in World Cup Soccer

One last thought from me: maybe before extra time starts, every team has to swap out eight players—not counting their usual subs. That way, the field stays fresh with new blood so the game doesn't lose its spark. And hey, anyone who sat out during regulation could jump back in for the overtime stretch.

Yeah, it shows 😉
Andrew Turner30 Andrew Turner30 Newcomer
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#3 ·
My logic here is centered entirely on maximizing the probability of actually seeing a goal scored.

If the score remains tied at the end of regulation, we would head into a ten-minute overtime period played with ten players per side. Should the deadlock persist, a second ten-minute overtime would follow, this time with teams reduced to nine players each. If we still haven't found a winner after that second stretch, we’d move into a final, third ten-minute overtime played with only eight players on the pitch. Of course, if the score is still dead even after three extra periods, we’d go straight to a penalty shootout just like we do now.
The number of substitutions would remain capped at five, regardless of any lingering COVID-19 protocols.
steelpanther722 steelpanther722 Member
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#4 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:Yeah, it shows 😉

You should have told him! And what about that suggestion of yours... wait, you didn't actually make one...?
We used to just flip a coin and then replay the whole match the next day. Honestly, a rematch wouldn't be a bad idea, though waiting two days would probably be a much more civilized way to handle it.
International tournaments are built on a bracket system, so you really need to crown a winner quickly. Qualifiers feel more like league play, which means a team like Germany ends up playing a bunch of games against a tiny underdog like San Marino instead of facing off against Italy—it’s totally nonsensical, but that's just how the system works.
People have always argued that one of the main reasons soccer never truly took root in the USA was because of these tie scenarios. It fits perfectly with the American mindset where everything is black or white—pure cowboy logic, really: you're either on our side, or you're against us. ☕
steelpanther722 steelpanther722 Member
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#5 ·
Andrew Turner30 said:My logic here is centered entirely on maximizing the probability of actually seeing a goal scored.

If the score remains tied at the end of regulation, we would head into a ten-minute overtime period played with ten players per side. Should the deadlock persist, a second ten-minute overtime would follow, this time with teams reduced to nine players each. If we still haven't found a winner after that second stretch, we’d move into a final, third ten-minute overtime played with only eight players on the pitch. Of course, if the score is still dead even after three extra periods, we’d go straight to a penalty shootout just like we do now.
The number of substitutions would remain capped at five, regardless of any lingering COVID-19 protocols.

Hahaha, honestly, they should just keep playing until it's down to a two-on-two showdown—one field player plus the goalie on each side. Then, if it's still tied, let those four people handle the penalty kicks!
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
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joined Mar 2005
#6 ·
steelpanther722 said:You should have told him! And what about that suggestion of yours... wait, you didn't actually make one...?
We used to just flip a coin and then replay the whole match the next day. Honestly, a rematch wouldn't be a bad idea, though waiting two days would probably be a much more civilized way to handle it.
International tournaments are built on a bracket system, so you really need to crown a winner quickly. Qualifiers feel more like league play, which means a team like Germany ends up playing a bunch of games against a tiny underdog like San Marino instead of facing off against Italy—it’s totally nonsensical, but that's just how the system works.
People have always argued that one of the main reasons soccer never truly took root in the USA was because of these tie scenarios. It fits perfectly with the American mindset where everything is black or white—pure cowboy logic, really: you're either on our side, or you're against us. ☕

Look, I don't even have an issue enough to bother offering a fix. Penalty shootouts are a perfectly fine way to settle a knockout match. I don't see the big deal. But sure, let's listen to the guys who think penalty kicks are "a bit boring."🤣
Emily Sullivan6 Emily Sullivan6 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2022
#7 ·
The link provided by the OP actually uses the word "soccer"

I didn't even bother clicking it—no offense to the author—but honestly, the moment I see that word, I just feel a wave of nausea. It’s an immediate giveaway that we’re dealing with Americans here

As for the rules, this is the right way to handle it. Extra time followed by a penalty shootout... it gives both sides a fair shot at winning during those additional 30 minutes or via the spot. It’s the only logical path forward, really

All this talk about coin tosses and random draws? It's utterly absurd. You spend 90 grueling minutes sprinting, gasping for air, pushing your body to the absolute limit, only to have some guy flip a coin to decide your entire fate? I can't help but wonder if any professional player would ever actually agree to that. And frankly, if it were a viable option, they wouldn't be fighting so hard to scrap it

Sure, extra time carries the risk of conceding a stupid, unlucky goal, but I'll take that over the sheer randomness of a coin toss any day of the week

The current setup works. Stick to it. If people don't like watching it, they don't have to tune in

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