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Participants Keith Diaz5ambermason16Gerald Bailey88Gerald Hill2northernpilot2Daniel Ward87Jeremy Reyes5ironseal10rustydrifter10Laura Thomas96Jonathan Martinez11Dana Booth26Kenneth Cruz73Sandra Parker3Jerry Campbell7Aaron Collins25mistytrucker15Carol Johnson21
ironseal10 ironseal10 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2013
#21 ·
You’ve got the roles of the Force a little mixed up—but then again, I should be used to that by now. Honestly, this little outburst doesn't bother me one bit.
It’s just more proof of what I’ve been saying all along. Who’s actually acting like the bully here? It’s the person who can’t even look in a mirror, so instead, they play these role-playing games and immediately start pointing fingers at everything I do.
If I still cared about being important to anyone, I would have written this ages ago—but let’s be real, I was playing it safe during my probationary period because I didn't want a permanent ban. Knowing how this machine operates, I could have easily stayed silent and ignored every single comment, especially knowing how much of a narcissist you are and how full of yourself you've become—but hey, when there's a reason to celebrate, I’m going to speak up.

The truth is—and nobody can deny it—we’re all basically performing out of fear, terrified that we’ll get kicked off the forum with a permanent ban just for having an opinion. But every now and then, someone decides their perspective is more important than avoiding a ban, and they finally dare to say what’s actually on their mind.
I haven't even opened the message yet, and I have no clue how many points I might lose, but frankly, it doesn't matter; I said what I needed to say.
Enjoy yourself! I’ve said my piece—even if the two of us never cross paths on these pages again, my conscience is clear, so you go ahead and do things your way.
Gerald Bailey88 Gerald Bailey88 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2013
#22 ·
ambermason16 said:🤣 thanks for this post. You just did me a bigger favor than if you’d declared me the greatest moderator in history.

And just so we have this on the record: I have zero clue who you actually are, other than being that person giggling in every thread about how you're the luckiest little Smurf alive because you got unbanned thirty minutes ago and swore eternal loyalty to the admins. So, you can relax—I couldn't care less about "your every move." It's about as exciting to me as watching a local high school wrestling match.

It’s funny how you people act so important, thinking you have the right to insult and spit on forum users, mods, and admins. You're terrified of the staff, yet here you are playing the lady. But the second someone gives you the feedback you actually deserve, you're absolutely mortified. Apparently, you think we should all be bowing to the floor, treating every bit of your slanderous nonsense with humble, quiet respect.

Oh, and by the way, force doesn't exist... the guy is stuck at the soap factory, which is closing down in a few days anyway. Bummer.

I’m asking the responsible people on this forum to stop official staff from insulting our members.

I'm not some character from a Dove commercial, and I'm certainly not a dog—so I don't bark, and my way of speaking isn't "nonsense."

If this is how a Moderator is supposed to talk to users, then good luck to you.
I knew I was right—the moderators are at fault. Not all of them, obviously, but some are constantly trying to paint themselves in the best light.
Who are the admins here anyway? I don't know a single one, nor have I had the "honor" of talking to them. I don't see why I'd be afraid. I'm not scared of anyone here... because I haven't done anything wrong.

Speaking of admins, do they even read what the moderators post?
Do they actually agree with the way ambermason16 communicates?

If we aren't allowed to talk about things we find problematic, then this whole thread is pointless.

It's obvious this thread was necessary—even the title shows what the actual issue is: the moderator's conduct, not some soap opera character that the mods are trying to pivot toward—or at least, that's what they want to do.
ambermason16 ambermason16 Active Member
213 messages
joined Apr 2009
#23 ·
I didn't hand you that ban myself; you earned it fair and square with those middle-school level insults you were throwing around. Those bans that are bothering you are ancient history—eight hundred years old if I had to guess—and they are absolutely justified given how crudely you insulted the other members here. Twice. You want me to pull up the posts? 🙂

To be perfectly blunt, when the admins approached me about granting you amnesty, my first step was to figure out who you actually are. I clearly reached the right conclusion: that you don't belong on this forum. Then, I gave you a vote. Big mistake.
Just like your little delusion about having a "probationary period" where you supposedly had to watch your step—that's a mistake too. A normal person on this forum doesn't need to "restrain" themselves, stalk someone's posts, or act like they're walking on eggshells. And now you think you've passed some trial run? That concept doesn't even exist.
ironseal10 ironseal10 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2013
#24 ·
@ambermason16,

I’m well aware of where you stand—and look, if you feel like you need to pin my posts right here, go right ahead.

I’ve said my piece, and I have absolutely no intention of hiding behind anyone or getting into some pointless back-and-forth just to prove a point.

The people over at Dove are honestly terrified—they'll do just about anything to sugarcoat their opinions to make them look better, which isn't something I do. Your threats, or anyone else's for that matter, don't phase me; I'm certainly not going to stay quiet when I see someone acting out of line—and frankly, you're being out of line by using Force. I haven't the slightest clue who gave you the authority to act this way, but whoever allowed this behavior to continue for years surely knows exactly why.
My best to you—and just so we're clear, this post doesn't require a response. Go ahead and use your time more productively on things that actually matter.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#25 ·
ironseal10 said:You’ve got the roles of the Force a little mixed up—but then again, I should be used to that by now. Honestly, this little outburst doesn't bother me one bit.
It’s just more proof of what I’ve been saying all along. Who’s actually acting like the bully here? It’s the person who can’t even look in a mirror, so instead, they play these role-playing games and immediately start pointing fingers at everything I do.
If I still cared about being important to anyone, I would have written this ages ago—but let’s be real, I was playing it safe during my probationary period because I didn't want a permanent ban. Knowing how this machine operates, I could have easily stayed silent and ignored every single comment, especially knowing how much of a narcissist you are and how full of yourself you've become—but hey, when there's a reason to celebrate, I’m going to speak up.

The truth is—and nobody can deny it—we’re all basically performing out of fear, terrified that we’ll get kicked off the forum with a permanent ban just for having an opinion. But every now and then, someone decides their perspective is more important than avoiding a ban, and they finally dare to say what’s actually on their mind.
I haven't even opened the message yet, and I have no clue how many points I might lose, but frankly, it doesn't matter; I said what I needed to say.
Enjoy yourself! I’ve said my piece—even if the two of us never cross paths on these pages again, my conscience is clear, so you go ahead and do things your way.

Just a little bit of off-topic here, but I really wanted to weigh in on this. Look, a probation period is basically just a window where any moderator could decide to turn that temporary suspension into a permanent ban. And honestly? Even after your probation ends, you aren't "safe." If anyone decides you're slipping back into those old, bad habits—or if you start acting out in other ways that were the reason you got banned in the first place—you can still get hit with a permanent ban. So, neither you nor anyone else who gets an amnesty after six months is truly protected from a permanent ban. In fact, you might actually find it easier to get banned than someone who’s never been in trouble before, simply because you've already proven multiple times that you struggle to play by the rules here.

Now, this isn't the main point of our discussion and I don't want to derail us further, so I'm only mentioning this to make sure nobody walks away with the wrong impression.

ironseal10, listen, if you aren't able to communicate without being insulting, they can bring back that permanent ban whenever they feel like it. I am being completely serious.
ironseal10 ironseal10 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2013
#26 ·
Can I get a permanent ban right away? Honestly, how can you just delete my post and leave me with nothing? If you're going to do that—well, at least leave the original there so everyone can see exactly why you penalized me. It feels like I'm always sitting here in limbo—it doesn't matter. Can I just get that permanent ban now, if possible? Thanks and best regards.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#27 ·
ironseal10 said:Can I get a permanent ban right away? Honestly, how can you just delete my post and leave me with nothing? If you're going to do that—well, at least leave the original there so everyone can see exactly why you penalized me. It feels like I'm always sitting here in limbo—it doesn't matter. Can I just get that permanent ban now, if possible? Thanks and best regards.

You got a strike because you broke the rules, and the post was deleted because this isn't the place for it. If you're looking for a permanent ban, fine. But don't expect me to hide the evidence.
ironseal10 ironseal10 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2013
#28 ·
rustydrifter10 said:You got a strike because you broke the rules, and the post was deleted because this isn't the place for it. If you're looking for a permanent ban, fine. But don't expect me to hide the evidence.

Don't worry about banning him—go right ahead. I really appreciate it. Honestly, I have zero intention of asking for the ban to be lifted, so you can deal with it without any second thoughts. Cheers.
Gerald Bailey88 Gerald Bailey88 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2013
#29 ·
I’m still calling for ambermason16 to be penalized—insulting other members is a clear violation of the rules here...
Keith Diaz5 Keith Diaz5 MemberOP
12 messages
joined May 2010
#30 ·
Thanks to Uncle Steve and the Blood Bank for the replies. I am truly glad to receive a comment regarding my post without being immediately lumped in with those people who build altars, report posts, whine, and act insulted just because they are hopelessly in love with Force 😕
I stepped up and wrote everything I did because, in my honest opinion, the Force theme is a total circus—just a toxic atmosphere filled with nothing but biased nonsense.
From everything you all have told me, I gather that you fine people are perfectly fine with how things are (and yes, I even noted myself that spam posts are often wrapped in extra sentences to hide their true nature, making them harder to penalize if you aren't actively watching the show), and that there isn't an issue with the thread. That is exactly why I wrote earlier that I didn't believe I would achieve anything at all.
But here we are... being exactly who I am, I felt the need to comment on this topic in a place where it actually matters. I have never once lashed out at anyone (that is simply not my style), nor have I ever targeted a single Moderator or a girl from the Dove crowd.
If I haven't achieved anything else, at least I know I pointed out that something is rotten in the state of Denmark regarding this thread about a basic soap opera.

ambermason16 said:Jeremy Reyes5, I mean it—thank you. Anyone who actually knows anything about how this soap factory PDF works knows that he and I have had some serious clashes in the past. But unlike the person who started this whole circus, we actually know how to distinguish between the relationship between forum users and the mods, versus the personal bond between ambermason16 and Jeremy Reyes5.

You two have completely lost the plot. It’s not just that you’re shamelessly spamming posts where you basically just talk to yourselves—leaving everyone else totally confused—but you’re also back at it again with the constant lying and slander.

I am calling out every single person on this forum who ever reached out to me for advice or help and was left hanging. I want to know exactly who got shut down by one of my favorites. Who did I snap at without any reason? Who did I refuse to listen to when I actually messed up and needed to make things right? Or better yet, who have I just picked on for no damn reason at all? I’m asking you now: step up. Come forward publicly so we can lay everything out on the table and see exactly what kind of nonsense is going on.

I am honestly fed up. I’m sick of these grown women who can't tell the difference between real life and some trashy daytime soap opera, and then they think they have the right to talk down to me whenever they feel like it.

I am the one who started this circus. Sevgila and Matrix joined in later after reading, I suppose. I don't typically "girl talk" with the ladies on this forum unless it's about something specific, like a streaming link or something similar.
Please, tell me where I am lying or slandering?
And furthermore, where am I harassing you?

I honestly do not understand why you are taking this tone with me. It truly makes no sense to me.
I simply stated that you are clearly putting me in the camp of those who worship the very ground Force walks on, likely because I don't find him so terrible that I feel the need to attack him in every single post about him. Did I somehow harass or insult you by doing that? If I did, I offer my deepest apologies.
All of my posts are available for review, both here and in the main thread.

You seem to have a problem with me, and I have no idea why. It’s such a massive problem that you're begging me to leave the Force thread, accusing me of losing my compass and whatnot, yet I am meeting you here for the very first time and I had absolutely no ill intentions toward you.

Given that this whole discussion started because of Jack and certain past issues involving bans and insults, I think it would be best to lock this thread.

Until next time 👋
Laura Thomas96 Laura Thomas96 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Sep 2013
#31 ·
I honestly wasn't planning on saying anything here, but I'm one of the people being dragged into this so-called "Conspiracy" group under Xavier's signature—and let's be real, the whole thing is just fictional nonsense. First off, I totally agree with Moderator ambermason16 that Force is a fictional character. We all have our own opinions, and if someone doesn't like it, they don't have to read it! Accusing the women behind these usernames of driving people away from the thread or plotting conspiracies via private messages is just unnecessary and, frankly, disgusting. Whether some of us hang out or chat privately is strictly our business and shouldn't be up for debate here. And as for the claim that we're "protected" because we're supposedly favorites of the mods among thousands of users? That is absolute garbage. I was actually the first one to get 105 points from Bee in just three posts after I got provoked by certain trolls and wrote way more than I should have on the Force theme, which technically broke the rules (I even talked it out in private with the mod who wrote the rules I'm reading today). I'm almost certain the reports came from the same people currently attacking Xavier's United Group Law Firm. So much for "conspiracies" and discriminatory moderation in the Dove subforum. To be clear, I’ve earned my fair share of warnings from ambermason16 too. Everyone knows that when people started leaving the Force volume 1 thread, the moderators knew exactly why. This kind of insults directed at ambermason16—who has been nothing but fair and actually reopened the Force theme even though she had every right to keep it closed forever—is just sad. Using that kind of language to insult anyone, whether they're a regular user or a moderator, is pathetic, and I'm genuinely sorry I even had to read it. Honestly, I really admire the Dove moderators. From my modest three months on this forum, I can tell this is definitely a tough subforum to manage. I haven't seen this much trash-talking and malice even in real life! Huge thanks to all the moderators on this thread for pointing out how wrong it is to bash other users without any actual proof, just because they have a different opinion or a different way of writing and communicating.
Jonathan Martinez11 Jonathan Martinez11 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Jul 2022
#32 ·
I completely agree with everything Keith Diaz5, Gerald Bailey88 and matriksica wrote. And dear Moderator, I’m not being arrogant; I am simply bitter, primarily because of how you treat those of us who are actually the reason you have a job. If we weren't here, you wouldn't exist, and this forum wouldn't even be making money from ads. So, instead of insulting us, if we happen to have a specific complaint or question, the basic rule should be to show at least a minimum amount of decency toward every user rather than resorting to insults—especially since we just dared to suggest that something isn't right.

Believe me, dear, in the company where I earn my bread, I always treat customers the way you treat us. If I did, my boss would have given me a huge thank you a long time ago. Every single complaint a customer makes requires a well-reasoned explanation, and we always apologize; usually, we aren't even in the wrong, but the customer is always right. That is the fundamental rule. Even if I were some high-ranking commissioner or whatever you want to call me, you wouldn't give me a warning or ban me; you'd just call us old ladies who can't tell fiction from reality, etc.

The whole time, I've been trying to get an answer as to why I received a partial penalty, but I can't get one because I don't ask my questions humbly enough. Then I got banned from a thread due to spoilers, and Moderator Bea says she gets a mountain of reports that are all baseless. Then you swoop in behind that and start claiming I'm breaking whatever rules, acting like the spoiler wasn't even a big deal. It makes me wonder who is actually crazy here, who is sane, and who is being the arrogant, rude one acting like a self-appointed commissioner.

Regarding the Force thread, the issue isn't really that some people don't like the character Force; the biggest problem is that you allow sexist outbursts to drag on constantly alongside the dislike for Force. Some are relatively benign, like people acting like they're high-powered businesswomen when they're actually just stay-at-home moms, while others are much worse, like saying a husband should only take what is his.

I am asking you most politely to visit the Force spoilers thread and read all the messages directed at me. I don't see anyone there suggesting I'm acting like a commissioner, but I do see people being rude to me—and especially you, acting from a position of authority, as if you're the stronger party. I certainly won't stay silent; I will respond, and I'll try not to be arrogant or rude, though I don't think I ever use the vocabulary that you do.

Blood Bank
and I used to get along quite well with everyone on the "How Time Flies" thread, so I only have issues with a small number of forum members who create a new username on every single thread just to repeat the same behavior. On one thread it's Ace62, on another it's Kenneth Cruz73, depending on the need, and now they've even gained support from a Moderator.

Since you wrote that my partial penalty was decided by the editorial board and the Administrator, I would love for each of them—those who stripped me of my constitutional right to freedom of speech and opinion—to write to me explaining exactly why they did it and which rule I supposedly broke, other than the fact that certain users report me whenever they feel like it, which Moderator Bea claims is baseless.

I don't understand the forum hierarchy, but I assume one exists, likely consisting of the Administrators. So, once again, I ask: how do you allow a Moderator to insult users like this? These aren't characters from a soap opera; we are real people made of flesh and blood, and this kind of behavior is truly unacceptable. If someone here acts like an offended socialite, then it's the Moderator Jack, who starts her little torture sessions everywhere she feels she isn't being bowed down to. This started with the Passion Orient thread, which was locked the very second the TV showed the end, just because the girls rebelled—even though they proved what a great group they are through their private chats and hanging out off-topic.

On the Force thread, it has become even worse, and I don't know about other threads because I just don't have the time to check, but I see constant complaints everywhere. Instead of anything changing, things just keep getting worse and worse, and fewer and fewer people are posting on all the threads. Pretty soon, you won't even have anything left to moderate.
Dana Booth26 Dana Booth26 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Oct 2013
#33 ·
Since I’ve been targeted out of nowhere—called out directly by one user and indirectly by a few others—
I’m stepping up with this post, even though I’m not exactly thrilled to be doing it, purely because the truth needs to be said.
I have zero interest in playing defense, despite being under fire,
because we’re dealing with nothing but insinuations and outright slander here.

I’ve always viewed this forum as a place for healthy debate,
provided there are certain ground rules that apply to everyone,
rules that really ought to be respected.
The Force thread on this board is open to all kinds of perspectives and viewpoints,
which are just as diverse as the people posting them,
and trying to read more into things than what's actually there is honestly laughable,
not to mention how some users can't seem to agree on the description of the main heroine,
(I didn't realize we were all required to share the exact same opinion).
Furthermore, joining a discussion or deciding to walk away from one is entirely voluntary.
So, seeing people lash out at the Moderator and other members over it just makes no sense to me.
It’s also equally baffling that some users are making such a fuss about private messages, claiming
that certain people are "getting heard" through them. That is an intrusion into completely private
matters that should never, ever be a topic of debate on a public forum.

All these accusations being thrown at me and my fellow forum members without a shred of evidence is nothing but pure
speculation, fueled by the wild imaginations of a few disgruntled critics.

I still live in the real world, and I don't feel the urge to attack someone just because we don't see eye to eye—
whether it's because I don't care for Force, or because I don't view her as a hero or a woman who serves as a role model for other women (or specifically, for me).

But using that as an excuse for personal animosity, "packing heat," or using language that has no business being used here is just ridiculous.
Hurting people or throwing lies at real individuals while defending a fictional character isn't how I live my life, nor is it my calling.

Everything Gerald Bailey88 has said about me, I’ll leave to her conscience... and her memory.
I have absolutely nothing to worry about,
and just like I told her once before, I'll say it again:

Let me walk my own path, you little underdog.

My opinions and my stances on people or things don't come from someone suggesting them to me; they come from my own observations, my life experience, my career, and my sense of being true to myself.
Kenneth Cruz73 Kenneth Cruz73 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Apr 2013
#34 ·
Hey there!!!
Nathan suggested I should drop my two cents in here, seeing as @Gerald Bailey88 called me out as a member of the United Group—the group supposedly doing everything in its power to push other users off the Force thread, all with the full support of the Moderators on that topic... Bea and ambermason16, who are just *so* incredibly biased toward us folks from the United Group that was tucked into Jeremy Reyes5's signature... which makes everyone else feel threatened, hurt, or exiled, or whatever you want to call it... and all because I specifically won't play nice with the ground the Heroine Force (a woman with a good heart) walks on, as @Gerald Bailey88 put it—and because I don't actually like her character in the show at all...
First, let me clear the air regarding the idea that I'm being protected by ambermason16, since it seems she’s currently "in the hot seat."
1. I was actually banned for three days—a direct showdown with Didi where all three posts I edited with her resulted in trolls from Bhea (vol1)
By the way, before those trolls, I had enough spamming from ambermason16 to nearly get me banned... after that suspension from ambermason16, I can't even count how many more spams and trolls I've picked up, constantly hovering right on the edge of another ban... but somehow, I'm still "juggling" it all—some spams stick out and such—though I won't give away all my "secrets" regarding my current points, because that's strictly my private business and my own penance.😁
2. So, the whole Conspiracy theory that members of the "United Group Law Firm" don't get punished is absolutely nonsense.

Now, I'd like to address a few specific posts, going in order since I've been called out both indirectly and directly...
@Keith Diaz5
The amount of subjective opinions and impressions on the Force thread is just terrifying. And things that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual events or the character in the series get wrapped up in some post just so they don't look like spam or trolling, and those posts stay on the thread. Not to mention the chatting between a few users, the constant flattering of certain posts, or those one-sentence replies claiming the Force is stupid again.

Dear Keith Diaz5, I honestly can't believe I just read that... especially that bolded part with all the emphasis...
You and I had a very similar debate back on vol1 regarding the character of Force, and I thought I explained clearly why I don't connect with her. I also made it point to say that everyone watches the show through their own eyes, and everyone has the right to voice their opinion—even if it's the only opinion held against the entire white World and the whole Planet...
So where do you get the right to imply that my views are biased, or that when I express an opinion, it has nothing to do with the actual story?!
I have said it a million times and I'll say it again: I have the right to watch the show just like you do, and to comment on it exactly how I see it. The fact that my perspective differs drastically from yours isn't my problem, nor is it the Moderators' problem—it's entirely yours... because you clearly can't accept that we all see things through our own lenses...
Otherwise, why even make a post like this to the Moderators...
What are you expecting... for the Moderators to "force" me to "love and adore" a fictional character like Force...
I hope that wasn't your intention when you wrote this, because I am saying here, loud and clear, that there is no Force—nor any Moderator—that is going to force me to change my mind or my stance on the character of Force or the series as a whole...
Furthermore, I don't "wrap up" anything in my posts, I don't chat with anyone, and if I do, I'll gladly take my punishment and that'll be the end of it...
As for the part of your post where you list usernames that weren't even on the thread but were fans of Cansa, I won't even comment on it because it truly makes no sense and has nothing to do with this... besides, I don't need to be a fan of some model or actress just to watch the show...
I’m just commenting on the Force character—honestly, I don't really care who is playing him... if it happened to be my favorite actress, I’d probably say the exact same thing—because my take on the Force character, this fictional person in the series, is just different... I don't see him the way everyone else does, quite the opposite actually...
And that's my right—and a choice I’m perfectly entitled to make—as far as I know, when it comes to speaking up on the Force theme...

Dear Gerald Bailey88...
Keith Diaz5, you're absolutely right—it's just that, unfortunately, all that effort seems to be going to waste... It seems like there's an organized group getting support from the Moderator—you can really see it by how members get penalized just for pushing back against certain comments... "She got exactly what was coming to her"—referring to how that guy treated her—or claiming "he just took what was rightfully his"... honestly, the excuses people make for assault are just... unsettling...

We know that you just don't get it—you haven't felt it, seen it, or truly grasped the reality of the situation yet...
As for that little group—it’s definitely not just some phantom entity... Xavier's signature: MAO: — @ Carol Johnson21, @ ivancica, @ Dana Booth26, and @ Xavka. Personal assistants... Dear Kenneth Cruz73...@mistytrucker15 and @Jerry Campbell7—Laura Thomas96! The United Group Law Firm... they’ve been splitting up shifts and responsibilities, and they aren't just doing it through private messages—they're negotiating right here on the thread. And to think, they actually went and styled themselves as the attorneys for that actor and his character from the show... It’s pretty clear that all the Force are coming down hard on the actress—the character she's playing... If I hadn't read it myself, I wouldn't have believed it—honestly... That's probably why you don't see any of Cansa's fans hanging around this thread...

There isn't any other comment on your post besides the one I wrote—and honestly, regarding the topic... I have every right to watch and comment on Force's character exactly how I see him—based on my own perception. To me, he’s the complete opposite of you—like night and day, or fire and water... if you need it even clearer than that, we're talking about a gap so wide it's impossible to put into words. I have that right, and no one can force me to like something just because you happen to love it... not even the Moderators, or anyone else...
I don't really care about Cansa—I'm just commenting on this character from the Force, whom she happens to play... honestly, any other actress could have stepped into those shoes and played him exactly as the writers intended...
You're absolutely right there—Force is basically a character straight out of a Dove commercial... Admittedly, this forum might feel like a soap opera—but believe me, we aren't characters out of a daytime drama...

I am certainly not some fictional character—I was just over there reading through the thread, where apparently anyone we don't personally adore becomes the ground the Force walks on... we're supposedly untouchable, out of touch, or just obsessed with Boran's physique... they claim we're chauvinists, or whatever else they can throw at us... it goes on and on...
And I'm just sitting here thinking—well, that's all done now—so what comes next...?
Will it even matter if I "love" the Force... just to stop being everything that's been programmed into me and Inim—simply because our Force isn't a heroine...?
It’s complete nonsense to suggest it couldn't be even larger...
Dear Max...
I don't have any proof for this—nor can I—since I'm not a Moderator... but if it's true that the same handful of people are constantly reporting the same small group of guys, a quick glance at the Moderator's inbox would reveal that pattern immediately. And honestly, I suspect that's exactly what's happening...

If you don't have any actual proof—why even bring up something so delicate and sensitive in the first place... honestly, are you psychic or something?!...
Believing and knowing are two different things...
I honestly believed I would never read anything like this—but you all proved me wrong, and now I know just how difficult it can be for some people to stay true to themselves...

edit : I have no idea if I’ll face any repercussions for saying all this, but frankly, I don't care. I simply cannot wrap my head around how people watching a show can get so deeply offended just because someone holds a different opinion about a fictional character—and then stage such a massive masquerade, even calling out the Moderators, who absolutely cannot—nor should they under the Forum Rules—force anyone to change their views... unless those views actually violate the Code of Conduct...

By the way, regarding the mentions of assault and human rights violations—honestly, I won't even go there... I really have no comment to make, otherwise, I'd just be making no sense at all...

Dear Jonathan Martinez11
Blood Bank
We used to get along so well on the "How Time Flies" thread, so my issue is really just with a tiny handful of women who open a new account on every single thread to start the same drama—sometimes it's Ace, sometimes it's Agatha, depending on the day—and now they've even gained support from the Moderator.

What you just wrote is highly questionable, since you aren't a Moderator and what you're claiming isn't even true...
I can't even begin to explain my reasons for changing my handle—firstly, because I didn't want it known that I was posting under that name, and secondly, I wouldn't have told anyone anyway. I know for sure I didn't tell you, and to those I did write to, I explained everything via private message... besides, it's not your job to moderate, so if you have doubts about me or my username, feel free to report me to the Administration or whoever you like, but please don't drag this specific situation or the Force thread into it—that's not the same thing... don't mix apples and oranges... and try not to be so angry and bitter, it's not good for your nerves... just relax, we're all just talking about TV shows and fictional characters here, hellooo....
And yes, it's true that I don't agree with you, and I never will, because your way of thinking and writing is completely at odds with my own life values—no matter how you hear that or how you choose to interpret it...

That's all from me,
Greetings to the Moderators, though personally, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes for all the money in the world—especially if you're all doing this as volunteers... the insults I've seen here directed straight at Jack exceed all standards of basic decency. He is (and I thought for a long time he was 😁) a real person from real life and has absolutely nothing to do with the fictional character Force, yet he's facing this barrage of insults... and why?! Simply because he didn't punish the users who hold opposing views about a fictional character...
I'm speechless, but I won't be backing down from the Force thread until the series ends.🙂
ambermason16 ambermason16 Active Member
213 messages
joined Apr 2009
#35 ·
Dear ladies, thanks for stepping up. You all jumped headfirst into this mess completely on your own initiative..

As for these thread-starters, I don't have much to say, except it looks like your little "I’m typing, but I have no clue what I’m saying or why I’m even typing" campaign isn't going exactly according to plan..

And you, Jonathan Martinez11, stay out of other members' business. Especially those who used to frequent Dove forums but aren't members there anymore. I know everything there is to know regarding Kenneth Cruz73 and Asi62's handles, and all I'll say is that the reason was absolutely justified, wasn't controversial at all, and was approved by the Moderator. So, you can go look for a new sensation on some other message board, because, much to everyone's delight, the door to this one is locked to you.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#36 ·
ambermason16 said:Jeremy Reyes5, I mean it—thank you. Anyone who actually knows anything about how this soap factory PDF works knows that he and I have had some serious clashes in the past. But unlike the person who started this whole circus, we actually know how to distinguish between the relationship between forum users and the mods, versus the personal bond between ambermason16 and Jeremy Reyes5.

You two have completely lost the plot. It’s not just that you’re shamelessly spamming posts where you basically just talk to yourselves—leaving everyone else totally confused—but you’re also back at it again with the constant lying and slander.

I am calling out every single person on this forum who ever reached out to me for advice or help and was left hanging. I want to know exactly who got shut down by one of my favorites. Who did I snap at without any reason? Who did I refuse to listen to when I actually messed up and needed to make things right? Or better yet, who have I just picked on for no damn reason at all? I’m asking you now: step up. Come forward publicly so we can lay everything out on the table and see exactly what kind of nonsense is going on.

I am honestly fed up. I’m sick of these grown women who can't tell the difference between real life and some trashy daytime soap opera, and then they think they have the right to talk down to me whenever they feel like it.

Here I am again. If you ask me, you were just being rude for no reason.

You just crashed into my thread on the message board out of nowhere—it has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about—and started whining about some organized attack. Honestly, I’d love to see how you even define an "attack" in your head.

post:

Quoting gazillions of other people's posts like this just to lecture someone who is uninformed, informed, or just plain blind... wow. 🙄To an observer, it might look like... Well, that was a perfectly coordinated and well-timed personal attack. Colbert, cut it out.

But hey, that's just my personal take on things. Just popped in to catch up on everything and leave a few thoughts along the way. 🙂

You actually had the nerve to write that you just popped in and left a quick note. 🙄
If it had been user vulgaris posting this, he would've been slapped with a ban.

You asked, now you have it.

One more thing, though I suppose it could also just go under Question for Administration:
ambermason16 said:🤣 thanks for this post. You just did me a bigger favor than if you’d declared me the greatest moderator in history.

And just so we have this on the record: I have zero clue who you actually are, other than being that person giggling in every thread about how you're the luckiest little Smurf alive because you got unbanned thirty minutes ago and swore eternal loyalty to the admins. So, you can relax—I couldn't care less about "your every move." It's about as exciting to me as watching a local high school wrestling match.

It’s funny how you people act so important, thinking you have the right to insult and spit on forum users, mods, and admins. You're terrified of the staff, yet here you are playing the lady. But the second someone gives you the feedback you actually deserve, you're absolutely mortified. Apparently, you think we should all be bowing to the floor, treating every bit of your slanderous nonsense with humble, quiet respect.

Oh, and by the way, force doesn't exist... the guy is stuck at the soap factory, which is closing down in a few days anyway. Bummer.

How on earth can someone who’s clearly just counting down the days until this series ends and they can finally close the thread actually be a Moderator for that PDF?
I haven't the slightest clue. 🤷

Hey... what a bummer.
Gerald Bailey88 Gerald Bailey88 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Apr 2013
#37 ·
ambermason16 said:Dear ladies, thanks for stepping up. You all jumped headfirst into this mess completely on your own initiative..

As for these thread-starters, I don't have much to say, except it looks like your little "I’m typing, but I have no clue what I’m saying or why I’m even typing" campaign isn't going exactly according to plan..

And you, Jonathan Martinez11, stay out of other members' business. Especially those who used to frequent Dove forums but aren't members there anymore. I know everything there is to know regarding Kenneth Cruz73 and Asi62's handles, and all I'll say is that the reason was absolutely justified, wasn't controversial at all, and was approved by the Moderator. So, you can go look for a new sensation on some other message board, because, much to everyone's delight, the door to this one is locked to you.

Of course they showed up. It’s pretty obvious they just jumped in without being asked or even prompted... probably why the thread is still open, despite everything... Keith Diaz5She opened it, then asked to close it...

First off, nobody was insulting anyone else here except you, ambermason16—you were just going down the list, picking on every single woman who actually had the nerve to question your work...
Look, I’m saying this again—this isn't about the characters in the show or anyone's right to an opinion... it's about how this thread is being run—who gets to say what and who doesn't...

I wouldn't call that enthusiasm... highly debatable... Everyone... Because of the Little one's disappearance from the thread—unless you don't count yourself and your own crowd as part of "everyone"...
It would be nice if someone above ambermason16 actually looked into Jonathan Martinez11's posts—and the real reasons he was kicked out...
Anyway, Little one's vocabulary is way better than Jack's... if only Little one had the same kind of power around here.
Just so there's no confusion—I have no clue who Jonathan Martinez11 actually is. I've run into her on this thread before... we didn't always see eye to eye, but we had some decent discussions... I really respect her persistence when she was calling out those unacceptable comments—you know, the ones about men having a "right" to rape women because they're just taking what belongs to them, or how they should be clenching their fists more often... And wouldn't you know it—not a single official from this forum has stepped up to tell people making those kinds of comments exactly where to shove it... Those authors are still posting on the topic—but Jonathan Martinez11 isn't. Unbelievable, right...

I’m still calling for ambermason16 to be punished—they're breaking the rules by insulting other members...
I need those folks above ambermason16 to speak up...I’m not putting up with insults—I’m not some dog that's just gonna bark at everyone... I don't make things up, I don't lie, and I definitely don't slander people. Especially not when it comes to spreading trash...
If this is just Jack's private venting session—and apparently she's allowed to talk to people like that—then please just delete me from the member list... I don't want my handle showing up in a place where the Moderators treat users this way.
Just because we spoke up in that open thread about the issues we've been dealing with for a while now...

And finally, one last thing—there’s this one comment from the spoiler thread that really caught my eye. It perfectly captures the whole vibe of the Force theme we've been complaining about here... It's from a user who, as far as I know, isn't even a regular around here—doesn't post much, doesn't get into the usual shouting matches. And mind you, it's not just this one single comment...
;44695557 said:Where have you butterflies been...
Kerimboran I agree, there's a healthy vibe going on here... pffft, I knew where I’d end up 😁... did a little scouting and landed right here. As for the main topic... look, I follow whatever opinions I can—agreeing with some, disagreeing with others. I try to use my vocabulary to subtly prove I'm right if I can't do it otherwise (not my fault, obviously). I never attack anyone directly, but if someone comes at me first in a way I can't accept, I'll fight back immediately... But anyway, I have to comment on something pretty interesting happening in the main thread because I just finished reading through it. I don't get how someone spends so much time commenting on a series when they aren't even rooting for the lead couple—they're actually pushing for a divorce instead. Like, they aren't enjoying the romance at all; if anything, it just frustrates them. You choose a show to unwind after a long day, yet somehow you can't stand the protagonist—who basically carries 70% of the show 🤷. Pretty weird . It's not just that you don't like the leads in moderation; you straight-up despise them. I was honestly surprised by how much of an anti-Force atmosphere is building up over there. I've listed her thousand flaws here myself, which is different, but overall I get it... more or less...
Jerry Campbell7 Jerry Campbell7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Nov 2012
#38 ·
At first, I was really debating whether I should even bother posting or just stay quiet, but after sitting with it for a while, I decided I’d better say a few words and share my thoughts... I honestly didn't intend to chime in because this whole thing doesn't really fit "my vision of how an online community should work."

First off, the reason I'm here is simply because I love the "virtual world" and the social aspect of it... You know, all of us use screen names, but behind every single handle is a living, breathing person with real emotions. Just because I'm using a pseudonym doesn't mean I have the right to be rude, uncivilized, or just plain unpleasant...

I'm not here to lecture anyone, play the expert, or act like I'm smarter than the rest of you. I'm here primarily because I find it enjoyable... and if it stops being fun, I'll just quietly step away. No one needs to force my hand.

Believe me, if I were actually acting out or being disrespectful, I would be absolutely mortified. I’d be turning bright red from the embarrassment because, well, you all know who I am, and I'd be too ashamed of my own behavior to show my face.

When I write, I always write based on my own interpretation of the "imaginary or real story" and its characters... Naturally, in my posts, certain viewpoints might overlap with others. Personally, I have zero issue with people thinking differently, and I feel no need to comment on their views or try to convince them of anything. Why on earth should it bother me if someone sees things differently? God forbid!
Well, this isn't some echo chamber where we all have to think and write exactly the same way... Regarding the Force thread, there were a couple of ladies there whose perspectives I didn't agree with at all on a completely different topic... but that chapter is closed now, and as far as this specific thread goes, everything is perfectly fine—a solid 5+. I don't see what the big deal is...
For instance, I didn't like Ethan from the very beginning, and even though the series finished, I never really warmed up to him. It's not that I hate anyone—especially not fictional characters, since they aren't real—but I certainly don't have to like every character created. I didn't like Ethan, and the Force keeps pushing me, which really gets on my nerves. There were moments when Shah and Ace got under my skin too, but then again, I absolutely adore Beatrice, Yasmin Fatma, Sultan, Jamila, and now Narin. So, I truly don't understand why anyone else would make a problem out of that...

A few years back, when these shows were first starting to blow up, I used to post on the Ezel thread and I ended up getting reported and banned by Jay quite a few times. But I truly believe he understands that I'm not a confrontational person; I just have my own opinions, and I'm not trying to force them on anyone... though, I would appreciate it if people didn't try to force *their* opinions on me, either.
Just let me come to my own conclusions. Back then, I was mostly just sad because I couldn't participate or post on the forum, and it didn't even occur to me to go looking for an argument... I just let time take its course and told myself, "Hey, time will tell what kind of person everyone really is."

When I write, I write from the heart, expressing how I truly experience things, not to please anyone or to provoke a reaction... I share my genuine emotions, not some manufactured persona.

I don't see any reason why it should upset someone just because I perceive the story or the characters differently than they do. It's like how I love fish, meat, and wine, but I've never touched a cigarette in my life... yet I don't judge the smokers. We are all humans, and we are all different, so why can't we just accept that diversity? If I don't find a certain character appealing, I don't see why that's cause for anger, and if I find someone incredibly charming, I don't see why that should offend anyone... For the record, I am definitely one of those people who became very "enthusiastic about Boran's physique."
So, I'll just admit it publicly: I find that man's torso quite distracting, and I find Boran to be incredibly handsome and irresistible...

There are certain characters, actors, or even real people where my threshold for tolerance is a bit different; I tend to view them through a magnifying glass. And again, why is it an issue for anyone else that I experience things this way? In a different show, I might find another character totally unlikable, and I might hold them against me much sooner and much more intensely than I ever did with Boran...
At the end of the day, this forum is just a lovely, pleasant place to hang out, and for me, the series itself isn't even the main draw—it's not even that intense for me. I much prefer the chatting and socializing on the boards... I'd much rather watch the show and talk about it. Sometimes, when people are posting in a thread while watching, a little off-topic chatter happens, but nobody does it on purpose... it just happens because we get swept up in the excitement of watching and discussing together.

I honestly don't see any reason or anyone's need to act as someone else's defense attorney. I’d actually love to be a lawyer for Meh, but since I'm an economist, I guess my role is just "managing his money." And then people take every single word out of context, twisting things and fighting battles over men's or women's rights... it just doesn't even cross my mind...

Why do people feel this intense urge to "volunteer" as legal counsel for fictional characters? Why put words in someone's mouth that were never even said? It's strange how much some people love performing other people's opinions and reconstructing them to fit their own narrative..

Everyone, please, just chill out a little bit. This is just a "forum"... and honestly, through our writing and how we behave, we're telling the world exactly who we are anyway. Let's just let everyone present themselves that way... there really isn't a need to go around judging one another...
I have never once complained about anyone, whether it's the other members or the Moderators... and I NEVER WILL!!!!

I've met such wonderful people on this forum whom I actually hang out with in real life, and I'm so grateful to this site for letting me "meet" and get to know them... who knows when we would have crossed paths if it weren't for this community....
To all my dear virtual and real-life friends, thank you for being you!

And to the Moderators, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. I know it's not easy at all, believe me, I truly understand!
Aaron Collins25 Aaron Collins25 Member
15 messages
joined May 2012
#39 ·
I’m reading this and I honestly can’t believe it 😲
Once I finish typing this out, I’m heading straight to my inbox just to make sure I haven't received a summons from a court for disrespecting some fictional character from Dove 😉

It’s not everyone, but most of the people posting here really remind me of my school days (it was a long time ago, but the memories are still vivid). You know those times when you get a grade that doesn't quite meet your parents' high expectations? It wasn't because they actually cared about the student's progress, but more because they were worried about having to cut back on allowance. In those moments, the teacher is always, without exception, the one to blame, while the student is completely innocent 🧐

But there is one thing I am curious about: how am I, or anyone else sitting behind a computer screen, supposed to know why someone has "left the topic"? There are so many different reasons for it. For instance, maybe their computer crashed (that’s definitely happened to me), or perhaps they are just lurking and reading, wanting to engage but not knowing what to say, or maybe they’ve simply had their fill of the series... or perhaps, in short, 🙂

And once again, you have my full support, all the moderators over at Dove and every single forum member, no matter what your opinion might be 👍
Jeremy Reyes5 Jeremy Reyes5 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Apr 2013
#40 ·
Jonathan Martinez11 said:I completely agree with everything Keith Diaz5, Gerald Bailey88 and matriksica wrote. And dear Moderator, I’m not being arrogant; I am simply bitter, primarily because of how you treat those of us who are actually the reason you have a job. If we weren't here, you wouldn't exist, and this forum wouldn't even be making money from ads. So, instead of insulting us, if we happen to have a specific complaint or question, the basic rule should be to show at least a minimum amount of decency toward every user rather than resorting to insults—especially since we just dared to suggest that something isn't right.

Believe me, dear, in the company where I earn my bread, I always treat customers the way you treat us. If I did, my boss would have given me a huge thank you a long time ago. Every single complaint a customer makes requires a well-reasoned explanation, and we always apologize; usually, we aren't even in the wrong, but the customer is always right. That is the fundamental rule. Even if I were some high-ranking commissioner or whatever you want to call me, you wouldn't give me a warning or ban me; you'd just call us old ladies who can't tell fiction from reality, etc.

The whole time, I've been trying to get an answer as to why I received a partial penalty, but I can't get one because I don't ask my questions humbly enough. Then I got banned from a thread due to spoilers, and Moderator Bea says she gets a mountain of reports that are all baseless. Then you swoop in behind that and start claiming I'm breaking whatever rules, acting like the spoiler wasn't even a big deal. It makes me wonder who is actually crazy here, who is sane, and who is being the arrogant, rude one acting like a self-appointed commissioner.

Regarding the Force thread, the issue isn't really that some people don't like the character Force; the biggest problem is that you allow sexist outbursts to drag on constantly alongside the dislike for Force. Some are relatively benign, like people acting like they're high-powered businesswomen when they're actually just stay-at-home moms, while others are much worse, like saying a husband should only take what is his.

I am asking you most politely to visit the Force spoilers thread and read all the messages directed at me. I don't see anyone there suggesting I'm acting like a commissioner, but I do see people being rude to me—and especially you, acting from a position of authority, as if you're the stronger party. I certainly won't stay silent; I will respond, and I'll try not to be arrogant or rude, though I don't think I ever use the vocabulary that you do.

Blood Bank
and I used to get along quite well with everyone on the "How Time Flies" thread, so I only have issues with a small number of forum members who create a new username on every single thread just to repeat the same behavior. On one thread it's Ace62, on another it's Kenneth Cruz73, depending on the need, and now they've even gained support from a Moderator.

Since you wrote that my partial penalty was decided by the editorial board and the Administrator, I would love for each of them—those who stripped me of my constitutional right to freedom of speech and opinion—to write to me explaining exactly why they did it and which rule I supposedly broke, other than the fact that certain users report me whenever they feel like it, which Moderator Bea claims is baseless.

I don't understand the forum hierarchy, but I assume one exists, likely consisting of the Administrators. So, once again, I ask: how do you allow a Moderator to insult users like this? These aren't characters from a soap opera; we are real people made of flesh and blood, and this kind of behavior is truly unacceptable. If someone here acts like an offended socialite, then it's the Moderator Jack, who starts her little torture sessions everywhere she feels she isn't being bowed down to. This started with the Passion Orient thread, which was locked the very second the TV showed the end, just because the girls rebelled—even though they proved what a great group they are through their private chats and hanging out off-topic.

On the Force thread, it has become even worse, and I don't know about other threads because I just don't have the time to check, but I see constant complaints everywhere. Instead of anything changing, things just keep getting worse and worse, and fewer and fewer people are posting on all the threads. Pretty soon, you won't even have anything left to moderate.


Hold on a second, Jonathan Martinez11... I’m a bit confused now—essentially, we're talking about the fundamental right to freedom of speech and opinion. 🤔
Some people think a woman should devote herself more to her child—well, if that's their opinion, so be it.
Regarding the intake—I’ve already explained this to you and asked that you clearly state who, what, where, how, and when. I simply can't do it myself—nor will I allow anyone to drag me into these disputes or let some angry mob slap labels on me personally.

Jonathan Martinez11 said:I completely agree with everything Keith Diaz5, Gerald Bailey88 and matriksica wrote. And dear Moderator, I’m not being arrogant; I am simply bitter, primarily because of how you treat those of us who are actually the reason you have a job. If we weren't here, you wouldn't exist, and this forum wouldn't even be making money from ads. So, instead of insulting us, if we happen to have a specific complaint or question, the basic rule should be to show at least a minimum amount of decency toward every user rather than resorting to insults—especially since we just dared to suggest that something isn't right.

Believe me, dear, in the company where I earn my bread, I always treat customers the way you treat us. If I did, my boss would have given me a huge thank you a long time ago. Every single complaint a customer makes requires a well-reasoned explanation, and we always apologize; usually, we aren't even in the wrong, but the customer is always right. That is the fundamental rule. Even if I were some high-ranking commissioner or whatever you want to call me, you wouldn't give me a warning or ban me; you'd just call us old ladies who can't tell fiction from reality, etc.

The whole time, I've been trying to get an answer as to why I received a partial penalty, but I can't get one because I don't ask my questions humbly enough. Then I got banned from a thread due to spoilers, and Moderator Bea says she gets a mountain of reports that are all baseless. Then you swoop in behind that and start claiming I'm breaking whatever rules, acting like the spoiler wasn't even a big deal. It makes me wonder who is actually crazy here, who is sane, and who is being the arrogant, rude one acting like a self-appointed commissioner.

Regarding the Force thread, the issue isn't really that some people don't like the character Force; the biggest problem is that you allow sexist outbursts to drag on constantly alongside the dislike for Force. Some are relatively benign, like people acting like they're high-powered businesswomen when they're actually just stay-at-home moms, while others are much worse, like saying a husband should only take what is his.

I am asking you most politely to visit the Force spoilers thread and read all the messages directed at me. I don't see anyone there suggesting I'm acting like a commissioner, but I do see people being rude to me—and especially you, acting from a position of authority, as if you're the stronger party. I certainly won't stay silent; I will respond, and I'll try not to be arrogant or rude, though I don't think I ever use the vocabulary that you do.

Blood Bank
and I used to get along quite well with everyone on the "How Time Flies" thread, so I only have issues with a small number of forum members who create a new username on every single thread just to repeat the same behavior. On one thread it's Ace62, on another it's Kenneth Cruz73, depending on the need, and now they've even gained support from a Moderator.

Since you wrote that my partial penalty was decided by the editorial board and the Administrator, I would love for each of them—those who stripped me of my constitutional right to freedom of speech and opinion—to write to me explaining exactly why they did it and which rule I supposedly broke, other than the fact that certain users report me whenever they feel like it, which Moderator Bea claims is baseless.

I don't understand the forum hierarchy, but I assume one exists, likely consisting of the Administrators. So, once again, I ask: how do you allow a Moderator to insult users like this? These aren't characters from a soap opera; we are real people made of flesh and blood, and this kind of behavior is truly unacceptable. If someone here acts like an offended socialite, then it's the Moderator Jack, who starts her little torture sessions everywhere she feels she isn't being bowed down to. This started with the Passion Orient thread, which was locked the very second the TV showed the end, just because the girls rebelled—even though they proved what a great group they are through their private chats and hanging out off-topic.

On the Force thread, it has become even worse, and I don't know about other threads because I just don't have the time to check, but I see constant complaints everywhere. Instead of anything changing, things just keep getting worse and worse, and fewer and fewer people are posting on all the threads. Pretty soon, you won't even have anything left to moderate.

It’s frankly unacceptable—as a real person with actual emotions—that I'm being targeted with these insults. Being told I'm some desperate person who only cares about certain physical attributes or that I'd do anything just for a moment of intimacy—or worse, that I enjoy being treated roughly—is beyond the pale. I was forced to read all of this.Why didn't you step up back then, Jonathan Martinez11—or maybe I'm just a flesh-and-blood human who doesn't qualify for protection, while some fictional character gets all the exclusive rights? Perhaps I just didn't meet the required standards for being "at risk."

*****

So, we've all converged here to defend ambermason16—even though she spent the last few weeks blowing up my inbox, begging me to protect her from everyone else because she apparently can't hold her own. Typical. 🙂
I took quite a bit of grief from Jack personally—getting banned and being called arrogant and all—but as it turns out, I just fell for him at first sight.😍 😁
I'm honestly thrilled about Jonathan Martinez11 getting banned... really. I spent four days straight dancing around at a local festival—just exhausted myself—and now I come back to this? I can hardly believe what I'm reading. ☕

Regarding that spoiler post: I have every right to watch whatever I want, whenever I feel like it—it’s my time. I decide which characters I care about and which ones I don't. Just because I'm watching the show doesn't mean I'm obligated to root for the main couple. It's a personal matter, plain and simple.
What exactly are we expecting from the Moderators—to implement some kind of rule making it a punishable offense if you don't worship the Heroine Force? 😕Why does everyone feel the need to worship this guy—just because Cansa is playing her role? 🤷
I honestly can’t believe some of the things I’m reading here.
The biggest issue in this place is that someone actually thinks they have the right to label me as biased or judge my character... Well, even if I am being subjective, what of it? Am I going to get banned by the Moderator for having an opinion?
The fundamental problem is that people refuse to accept that Person A might see things differently than Person B. Instead, any dissenting view from Person A is immediately branded as making things up, being lazy, or some other nonsense about attacking someone's gender.

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